Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls - Page 2

John aka#404 · 03-31-2009, 05:06 AM

Hello all.

Myplanet2 -- thank you for your posts in this thread. Truly insightful and exactly what we all should be focusing on. You said some things I need to digest and meditate on. Thank you.

Lastly, I just wanted to throw in my two-bits in on this Alex thing... pray for him and Jeff Rense and all the others in the front lines. We can debate until we are blue in the face who they really work for... but we should take that energy into meditation and prayer for those leading / attempting to lead.

Oh... and pray for Br. Kapner as well.

-John aka#404

Myplanet2 · 03-31-2009, 04:17 PM

You're very welcome, John.

If it helps in the digestion process, I can give you the most recent sources of inspiration that I've found useful to me. The last few months have been a real barn burner for me. I've been enjoying some really resonant (for me) audio recordings of Channelings lately.

The ones which provide the highest frequency which I'm yet able to "contact" are those coming from the 9th dimensional Pleiadian collective which is channeled by Wendy Kennedy. I can't recommend these recordings highly enough. The sources are Wendy's website, http://www.higherfrequencies.net/channeledmessages.html And her 2 interviews with Rebecca Journigan http://www.journeyswithrebecca.com/archives_09.html The Feb 17 and Mar 3 shows are with Wendy Kennedy. And a recent (Mar 27) conversation with Jay Hill on blogtalkradio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/aware/2...tual-awareness

Not much Channeled work passes the discernment filter, but Wendy's work does for me. It has that "out of time" quality and the love and compassion is unmistakeable. It's become a real challenge to hang onto any hate, fear, judgement, polarized views, etc since absorbing these works, that I'm hardly the same person after a short period of time.

I can't recommend this work enough. It's taken me about a half dozen listenings each to really have it sink in and become digested, but it's so easy while listening, because the communication is direct being to being.

I also find it helpful to download and edit the recordings to omit all the advertising, as I find that lowering of the frequency a bit like a wet blanket after Listening to the channeling.

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Originally Posted by John aka#404

Hello all.

Myplanet2 -- thank you for your posts in this thread. Truly insightful and exactly what we all should be focusing on. You said some things I need to digest and meditate on. Thank you.

-John aka#404

Baron · 04-02-2009, 07:31 AM

I'm surprised it has taken so long for many to realise that "Alex Jones" is a con-man.All his so called knowledge insights information he has swiped off others efforts, and he has the information before him to twaddle off as if he has done the research and knows his stuff.He has lists with all the info on the topic he's on, just like the Obamination needs his Teleprompter!

One of the reasons he is so aggressive according to some rumours from some very good sources, is that he is now a married heterosexual and now regrets his past sexuality behaviour and his battle with alcohol. Especially with his religious background,though there is nothing pious and kind about him.

Psychologists have long known that most school bully's,violent and aggressive men are usually battling a dilemma over their sexuality, and cover it up with excessive macho bravado and violence, and bully other boys and men who are usually very normal and NOT aggressive.

85% of School bully's are "closet" perverts or bisexuals and homosexuals!
Interesting fact.

Alex Jones behaviour last year at the DNC when he chased Michele Malkin (No kudos for Malkin but for her Zionist propaganda,but even she is human and does not deserve to be terrorised) and lost the plot totally he went MAD! Which should have alerted most people, he is mad and also a phony disinformation con artist. Now his two latest attacks one on a guest and the latest on Jeff Rense just proves this Tiger cannot change its spots.

Unfortunately many Americans are so easily fooled! You only have to use the word "patriot" or "free speech" a few times and you have a following, of those who know something is wrong, but they just don't have the knowledge.Which is not their fault on the whole.Dumbing down and all that.So the likes of Alex Jones exist!!! Alex Jones talks of free speech yet censors his websites! That says it all he can sling it but cannot take it.

Myplanet2 · 04-02-2009, 01:46 PM

I recommend finding and presenting some actual facts, as opposed to this armchair character assassination.

"...the fact that he is a paid CIA instigator." (What proof?)

"The proof is out there." (where? If you drop a turd in the room, at least say where it came from.)

"...Rumors from some very good sources..." (are you kidding? This is exactly how the PTB smear somebody)

Call his sexuality and religious affiliations into question, as though that has anything to do with anything.

If you can't produce any facts then you do an indignity to Alex and even more so to yourselves and this group by even starting in.

The vast majority here at Avalon are way beyond being able to be influenced by such lame attempts at discrediting.

What are YOU doing about the state of this planet. (besides telling those on the front lines what's wrong with their efforts and them personally)

Sheesh.

Baron · 04-02-2009, 06:55 PM

"...Rumors from some very good sources..." (are you kidding? This is exactly how the PTB smear somebody)

Call his sexuality and religious affiliations into question, as though that has anything to do with anything."
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I should have written a very, very, reliable source rather than Rumours! However the sources are genuine and I could not name them because Alex is a raving psychopath and their survival depends on being anon.Just like Bill and Kerry's whistle blowers cannot name sources.

A few of his ex school friends, no NOT friends! Are on the net ask and they my spill the beans for you , and fill you in.

But the evidence is clear and right there if you look hard enough.He has even said as much himself on a few of his drunken rants on air! His sexuality is no concern of mine or the whistle-blowers, but the profile fits perfectly for somebody who is now a religious and practising heterosexual. When he was once Bisexual at the very least.

His violent anger threats and aggression also fits the bill of being a closet bi or homosexual who is pretending to be straight, so over acts his he-man image. These are the same people that assault heterosexuals in jail.In denial butch big angry violent types who pick on straight normal men and assault them.

This how he has most likely been controlled by the Zionists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MV0RDBRZU

But I'm not the only one I was a listener for a while and got drawn in, but some things did not add up so I went digging. You should do the same and you will find he's not who or what he claims to be.

No need for anybody to do a character smear him! He does that all by himself.

Myplanet2 · 04-02-2009, 09:06 PM

None of this is the point. The point is the message. Not the messenger. and even if the message is lost on you, it might be exactly what's needed for someone else. If he bugs you, stay away from him.

The pointing finger always traces back to something "unsavory" at the originating end.

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Originally Posted by Baron

"...Rumors from some very good sources..." (are you kidding? This is exactly how the PTB smear somebody)

Call his sexuality and religious affiliations into question, as though that has anything to do with anything."
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I should have written a very, very, reliable source rather than Rumours! However the sources are genuine and I could not name them because Alex is a raving psychopath and their survival depends on being anon.Just like Bill and Kerry's whistle blowers cannot name sources.

A few of his ex school friends, no NOT friends! Are on the net ask and they my spill the beans for you , and fill you in.

But the evidence is clear and right there if you look hard enough.He has even said as much himself on a few of his drunken rants on air! His sexuality is no concern of mine or the whistle-blowers, but the profile fits perfectly for somebody who is now a religious and practising heterosexual. When he was once Bisexual at the very least.

His violent anger threats and aggression also fits the bill of being a closet bi or homosexual who is pretending to be straight, so over acts his he-man image. These are the same people that assault heterosexuals in jail.In denial butch big angry violent types who pick on straight normal men and assault them.

This how he has most likely been controlled by the Zionists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MV0RDBRZU

But I'm not the only one I was a listener for a while and got drawn in, but some things did not add up so I went digging. You should do the same and you will find he's not who or what he claims to be.

No need for anybody to do a character smear him! He does that all by himself.

Baron · 04-02-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

None of this is the point. The point is the message. Not the messenger. and even if the message is lost on you, it might be exactly what's needed for someone else. If he bugs you, stay away from him.

The pointing finger always traces back to something "unsavory" at the originating end.

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Sorry sporting blood but you have lost me here!

"None of this is the point.The point is the message."

Get out of here you are talking pedantic poppy ****! Alex Jones himself quotes anonymous sources, throws insults, threatens people and much much more and I share some information from a good source and you are telling me if he bugs me stay away! Well if I bug you why don't you stay away? It works both ways.My reply was valid to this original comment.

In fact I don't frequent Jones any more because I caught onto his BS. But after the threats he made and what he did threatening Jeff Rense, and then forcing GCN to take his show away, and having all youtube vids negative comments about Alex taken away including having the comment section reversed with mass posts, to hide negative comments because he has a hack inside youtube! Which he has bragged about very often. Is NOT free speech which is a contradiction to what he says he stands for!! Do YOU get that bit??

Everybody is talking about it,but go look for yourself at all the forums.Alex even took away all posts with Jeff Rense's name right back to august 2007 on his own sites deleting his fans posts!! He hates free speech the liar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.You and he don't see that.

You support him that's your prerogative, but don't go telling me that I cannot do what he does with my free speech! At least I'm civil without BS anger threats of violence and pedantic's.

What I wrote was balanced correct and I shared something from a reliable source. If you don't believe it go find out for yourself, its not hard do a few googles and check out you tube or even the two vids I sent.

777 The Great Work · 04-02-2009, 10:09 PM

Alex Jones got a Beef with Jeff Rense.
its the nature of taurus the Bull,April 20,GTO fast and the Furious.

Myplanet2 · 04-02-2009, 11:40 PM

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Sorry sporting blood but you have lost me here!

"None of this is the point.The point is the message."

Get out of here you are talking pedantic poppy ****! Alex Jones himself quotes anonymous sources, throws insults, threatens people and much much more and I share some information from a good source and you are telling me if he bugs me stay away! Well if I bug you why don't you stay away? It works both ways.My reply was valid to this original comment.

In fact I don't frequent Jones any more because I caught onto his BS. But after the threats he made and what he did threatening Jeff Rense, and then forcing GCN to take his show away, and having all youtube vids negative comments about Alex taken away including having the comment section reversed with mass posts, to hide negative comments because he has a hack inside youtube! Which he has bragged about very often. Is NOT free speech which is a contradiction to what he says he stands for!! Do YOU get that bit??

Everybody is talking about it,but go look for yourself at all the forums.Alex even took away all posts with Jeff Rense's name right back to august 2007 on his own sites deleting his fans posts!! He hates free speech the liar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.You and he don't see that.

You support him that's your prerogative, but don't go telling me that I cannot do what he does with my free speech! At least I'm civil without BS anger threats of violence and pedantic's.

What I wrote was balanced correct and I shared something from a reliable source. If you don't believe it go find out for yourself, its not hard do a few googles and check out you tube or even the two vids I sent.

Since I'm not looking to smear Alex Jones, why would I go off in search of material to smear him with?

Since you were looking to smear him, you went off and "found" some source to provide that smearing.

My point, in less pedantic language, is that I don't have a problem with Alex Jones. And I'm sure Alex Jones doesn't have a problem with me. Does Alex Jones have a problem with you? has he attacked you? Does he visit forums and smear you? Lastly, you DO have a problem with Alex Jones.

So, non-pedantic question: Who's the one with the problem?

Non-pedantic answer: You.

My earlier, more pedantic posts on this subject, were addressing the concept that If you're having a problem... YOU'RE having a problem. Alex Jones ****** you off. That could never happen if you didn't have something within you being mirrored by Alex Jones and his behaviour.

And the above quoted post from you exemplifies (oops, sorry. shows) this to be true.

perhaps doing some personal work on yourself instead of nattering away at a courageous, fierce soul, behind his back, would be time well spent.

Or not. your choice how you choose to interact. But here's a little wisdom from Alex Jones, or somebody a lot like him. "Karma's a b**ch.

Baron · 04-03-2009, 09:48 AM

[QUOTE=Myplanet2;125493]Since I'm not looking to smear Alex Jones, why would I go off in search of material to smear him with?

Alex smears himself.But the reason you wont look at other information is because you are brain washed by his twisted message I presume.You are a taken in fan.

Since you were looking to smear him, you went off and "found" some source to provide that smearing.

No I did not go off looking for evidence to smear him! He does that all by himself.I took the testimony of two whistle blowers and presented it here, just like Bill and Kerry do for whistle blowers.

My point, in less pedantic language, is that I don't have a problem with Alex Jones. And I'm sure Alex Jones doesn't have a problem with me. Does Alex Jones have a problem with you? has he attacked you? Does he visit forums and smear you? Lastly, you DO have a problem with Alex Jones.

You are not less pedantic you are as pedantic as before.Off course you don't have a problem with Alex Jones, you are an apologist for him and possibly one of his stooges.

So, non-pedantic question: Who's the one with the problem?

Non-pedantic answer: You.

NO you are wrong YOU are the one with the problem, of what I reported here!

My earlier, more pedantic posts on this subject, were addressing the concept that If you're having a problem... YOU'RE having a problem. Alex Jones ****** you off. That could never happen if you didn't have something within you being mirrored by Alex Jones and his behaviour.

What?!!!! Your esoterica in your BS is ridicules. Write in plain English for crying out loud.I'm having a problem with Alex Jones? LOL. I have a problem with his lying agenda anger violence and threats he makes on people. Something within me is being mirrored by Alex Jones! Give me a break here what you on about some space time conundrum?!! So since I disagree with your defence of Alex Jones behaviour, I'm mirroring you and really believe your the epitome of truth and reason. Oh shut up! Get a life.

And the above quoted post from you exemplifies (oops, sorry. shows) this to be true.

Again what are you on? What to be true? That I have found out he's a disinformation Zionist agent and battling sex and alcohol problems to boot?!

perhaps doing some personal work on yourself instead of nattering away at a courageous, fierce soul, behind his back, would be time well spent.

With that question you are mirroring your guru Alex Jones. I don't need to do any personal work on myself I have a gorgeous wife for that! Nattering away at a courages fierce soul,behind his back? LOL. Well I was nattering to you if anything and not behind his back,this is not behind his back, he knows what I and others know about him and he is stum, and you can reiterate this anyway when you report back to him later.

Or not. your choice how you choose to interact. But here's a little wisdom from Alex Jones, or somebody a lot like him. "Karma's a b**ch

Well I think its Alex Jones who has to worry about his Karma and it being a bitch.

What are you doing here at Camelot and Avalon? These sites are for discourse and for sharing information.Based on a website for getting the truth out, no matter how dirty, for and by whistle blowers.You only want to read whistle blower testimony if it suits your chain of thought and does not dampen and expose your gurus as being anything but what you deem them.
Alex Jones is a bully and violent, threatening ,angry,liar disinformation Zionist stooge, who advocates freedom of speech but not about himself, so he "censors" all about himself! That does not stink of hypocrisy to you then?!

Oh and if you think Alex Jones is doing all this out of his own pocket for informing YOU and his followers with free to download films, then you are brain washed! His films are loss leaders and he sells tons of **** from his site, and via the radio to most who who couldn't rip a disk if they tried. Just look up his tax returns, and you tell me how much his income was the last three years? It will blow your mind he's a multi millionaire! All from Doing his charity work! LOL.

Alex "jone" Jones forum would be a better place for you to hang out, and you can get some personal work as you call it, done on yourself there, no question.Myplanet you are on a sulphur planet of your own don't bother me again with your stupid hypocrisy and esoteric mumbo jumbo.

Myplanet2 · 04-03-2009, 02:32 PM

Sorry if my suggestions were not useful. Bye.

[QUOTE=Baron;125581]

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Since I'm not looking to smear Alex Jones, why would I go off in search of material to smear him with?

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Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Alex smears himself.But the reason you wont look at other information is because you are brain washed by his twisted message I presume.You are a taken in fan.

Since you were looking to smear him, you went off and "found" some source to provide that smearing.

No I did not go off looking for evidence to smear him! He does that all by himself.I took the testimony of two whistle blowers and presented it here, just like Bill and Kerry do for whistle blowers.

My point, in less pedantic language, is that I don't have a problem with Alex Jones. And I'm sure Alex Jones doesn't have a problem with me. Does Alex Jones have a problem with you? has he attacked you? Does he visit forums and smear you? Lastly, you DO have a problem with Alex Jones.

You are not less pedantic you are as pedantic as before.Off course you don't have a problem with Alex Jones, you are an apologist for him and possibly one of his stooges.

So, non-pedantic question: Who's the one with the problem?

Non-pedantic answer: You.

NO you are wrong YOU are the one with the problem, of what I reported here!

My earlier, more pedantic posts on this subject, were addressing the concept that If you're having a problem... YOU'RE having a problem. Alex Jones ****** you off. That could never happen if you didn't have something within you being mirrored by Alex Jones and his behaviour.

What?!!!! Your esoterica in your BS is ridicules. Write in plain English for crying out loud.I'm having a problem with Alex Jones? LOL. I have a problem with his lying agenda anger violence and threats he makes on people. Something within me is being mirrored by Alex Jones! Give me a break here what you on about some space time conundrum?!! So since I disagree with your defence of Alex Jones behaviour, I'm mirroring you and really believe your the epitome of truth and reason. Oh shut up! Get a life.

And the above quoted post from you exemplifies (oops, sorry. shows) this to be true.

Again what are you on? What to be true? That I have found out he's a disinformation Zionist agent and battling sex and alcohol problems to boot?!

perhaps doing some personal work on yourself instead of nattering away at a courageous, fierce soul, behind his back, would be time well spent.

With that question you are mirroring your guru Alex Jones. I don't need to do any personal work on myself I have a gorgeous wife for that! Nattering away at a courages fierce soul,behind his back? LOL. Well I was nattering to you if anything and not behind his back,this is not behind his back, he knows what I and others know about him and he is stum, and you can reiterate this anyway when you report back to him later.

Or not. your choice how you choose to interact. But here's a little wisdom from Alex Jones, or somebody a lot like him. "Karma's a b**ch

Well I think its Alex Jones who has to worry about his Karma and it being a bitch.

What are you doing here at Camelot and Avalon? These sites are for discourse and for sharing information.Based on a website for getting the truth out, no matter how dirty, for and by whistle blowers.You only want to read whistle blower testimony if it suits your chain of thought and does not dampen and expose your gurus as being anything but what you deem them.
Alex Jones is a bully and violent, threatening ,angry,liar disinformation Zionist stooge, who advocates freedom of speech but not about himself, so he "censors" all about himself! That does not stink of hypocrisy to you then?!

Oh and if you think Alex Jones is doing all this out of his own pocket for informing YOU and his followers with free to download films, then you are brain washed! His films are loss leaders and he sells tons of **** from his site, and via the radio to most who who couldn't rip a disk if they tried. Just look up his tax returns, and you tell me how much his income was the last three years? It will blow your mind he's a multi millionaire! All from Doing his charity work! LOL.

Alex "jone" Jones forum would be a better place for you to hang out, and you can get some personal work as you call it, done on yourself there, no question.Myplanet you are on a sulphur planet of your own don't bother me again with your stupid hypocrisy and esoteric mumbo jumbo.

Humble Janitor · 04-03-2009, 01:30 AM

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I'm surprised it has taken so long for many to realise that "Alex Jones" is a con-man.All his so called knowledge insights information he has swiped off others efforts, and he has the information before him to twaddle off as if he has done the research and knows his stuff.He has lists with all the info on the topic he's on, just like the Obamination needs his Teleprompter!

One of the reasons he is so aggressive according to some rumours from some very good sources, is that he is now a married heterosexual and now regrets his past sexuality behaviour and his battle with alcohol. Especially with his religious background,though there is nothing pious and kind about him.

Psychologists have long known that most school bully's,violent and aggressive men are usually battling a dilemma over their sexuality, and cover it up with excessive macho bravado and violence, and bully other boys and men who are usually very normal and NOT aggressive.

85% of School bully's are "closet" perverts or bisexuals and homosexuals!
Interesting fact.

From where?

I was a bully in school for very different reasons. I had to stand up for myself because I got bullied due to my disability.

Though I have come to realize over the years that many of the males that bullied me in school later came out as homosexuals.

Regardless, I don't think that attacking Alex's sexuality is fair and we should refrain from that. That is behavior of the old paradigm.

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Alex Jones behaviour last year at the DNC when he chased Michele Malkin (No kudos for Malkin but for her Zionist propaganda,but even she is human and does not deserve to be terrorised) and lost the plot totally he went MAD! Which should have alerted most people, he is mad and also a phony disinformation con artist. Now his two latest attacks one on a guest and the latest on Jeff Rense just proves this Tiger cannot change its spots.

Malkin has said some pretty despicable things and I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have the capabiilty for regret.

Still does not justify any form of violence towards her.

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Unfortunately many Americans are so easily fooled! You only have to use the word "patriot" or "free speech" a few times and you have a following, of those who know something is wrong, but they just don't have the knowledge.Which is not their fault on the whole.Dumbing down and all that.So the likes of Alex Jones exist!!! Alex Jones talks of free speech yet censors his websites! That says it all he can sling it but cannot take it.

Alex Jones and Jeff Rense both reek of this. I do not trust or support either.

orthodoxymoron · 04-02-2009, 02:06 PM

Could the people who have rejected Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Naomi Wolf, etc. please direct me toward someone I can believe in? Take me to your leader. Seriously. Who is doing the best job of exposing evil and corruption in our world today? I'm fickle. I try to listen to whoever makes sense. I try to be open...yet critical. Thanks in advance.

Myplanet2 · 04-02-2009, 03:05 PM

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Could the people who have rejected Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Naomi Wolf, etc. please direct me toward someone I can believe in? Take me to your leader. Seriously. Who is doing the best job of exposing evil and corruption in our world today? I'm fickle. I try to listen to whoever makes sense. I try to be open...yet critical. Thanks in advance.

I think the whole point of this exercise is to realize that only we can guide ourselves.

You can look to others for clues, but you should never believe any of them. That bypasses your own involvement. Clues can only provide places to look. And once you see, use your own heart to guide you.

It doesn't work to give too much credence to multiple iterations of the same observations, because that can be intentiionally created as well. The PTB are always throwing the same tid bits out on numerous lines to make them seem to be coming from multiple sources, when really they come from the same sources.

It may sound trite, but your heart will tell you what to give weight to by permitting a resonance.

The biggest obstacle is the reliance on the Lovely chatter of the HMS, which parades out the "words" and "pictures" and tries to reduce everything to symbols and relationships and significances. That's all noise. And completely anachronistic at this point in our development.

A perfect example of how absurd this can get, is judging a person and therefore by association the value of their offerings by how they shake hands. I'm literally on the floor laughing when I see that. It's slapstick.

Listen to whatever you like and to whomever you like and simply notice if a resonance grows, or if the connection is just dead. If a resonance grows, then look. Look for yourself. What does your heart say? Is this fact something of meaning to me? or shall I set it aside.

But to set something aside because some nitwit said the source is questionable or shady in their opinion just closes doors, which may have opened for you for a good reason.

orthodoxymoron · 04-03-2009, 01:01 PM

I'm going to take a vacation from this stuff. But before I go...I previously asked for advice regarding who I could believe in. When one tears down...one should be prepared to build upon a better foundation. I'm waiting to hear what this better foundation and structure might be.

Also...what do you think about the guests Alex has on his show? Even if Alex is a hot head with all manner of inconsistencies and issues...what about his general message and the messages of his guests? Are his videos factually incorrect? If so...where? Which videos do you prefer to watch?

I rarely listen to Jones...but when I do...the information presented is hard to refute...although the manner in which it is presented is sometimes hard to take.

Zeddo · 04-03-2009, 01:14 PM

I wonder if anyone has bothered to ask Alex Jones where he stands? I'm sure he'd be happy to answer if you asked in a civil mannr.

Hmmm, that is sooooooo stupid, just like this whoe thread.

Myplanet2 · 04-03-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I'm going to take a vacation from this stuff. But before I go...I previously asked for advice regarding who I could believe in. When one tears down...one should be prepared to build upon a better foundation. I'm waiting to hear what this better foundation and structure might be.

Also...what do you think about the guests Alex has on his show? Even if Alex is a hot head with all manner of inconsistencies and issues...what about his general message and the messages of his guests? Are his videos factually incorrect? If so...where? Which videos do you prefer to watch?

I rarely listen to Jones...but when I do...the information presented is hard to refute...although the manner in which it is presented is sometimes hard to take.

You can't believe in anyone. Belief is not necessary, and substitutes for looking.

Even factual information, backed up with evidence, is presented with an intent. Until intent can be determined, information will be ambiguous, to say the least.

I thought Alex Jones' recent film on Obama, was his best so far. To my perception, it had much less intent to instill fear, and much more intent to inform. Some of his previous offerings seemed to be trying to scare people into acting. And I don't see the kind of action he appears to favor as having long term benefit or workability.

Alex Jones seems to want to expose the plans in place to put us under ever increasing control, and the actions taken and by whom, to carry those plans out.

If that's the kind of information you need right now, then Alex is a good source, although if you don't want to be prompted towards fear, you need to filter that intent out, and just look at the facts he presents, and then look for yourself to see if that is true.

Fear us up for many, but for most of us here, it's down, and way down. We don't need fear to wake us up.

But for a friend of mine, it was exactly what he needed, and he's been on the path of finding out about the secret manipulations since watching the Obama Deception.

Alex gets some good guests, but I can't really listen to him. He interrupts all the time, and shouts too much, and I've got a real thing about all the advertising.

I do enjoy his Infowars site for the headlines, because a small part of me still likes to keep up on the progress of the "planners" and I know Alex is watching them and reports on what he finds out.

Personally, I've learned to trust my intuition, and don't "buy" anyones package. There isn't a single person who's offerings I accept automatically. The key comes from learning to discern intent, IMO. If you can read intent, you know exactly how to weigh information being presented.

The people "stirred up" by Alex are simply afraid. And Alex would probably consider that a job well done, because he's afraid himself, and thinks it's the right reaction to what the PTB are up to.

That's not true. Fear is the exact wrong response, because it breeds inaction. It triggers flight in corporeal beings. The choice becomes fight or flight, but fight is usually only the last resort if flight isn't possible. If people are afraid, then they are less likely to rock the boat. The best option, IMO is to get out of the boat. No fear. No anger. Just a simple walking away.

Many groups are forming which have this viewpoint as a basis. Just walk away and get on with a life outside the matrix. Fear has no part of this activity. In fact it requires total fearlessness. Because it's taking back the power of determining your own state and future state. George Green called them Ground Crew, and Michael St Clair uses Radiant Zones.

All the PTB can do is try to keep us in the belief that without all the systems and controls they've put in place, we'd have nothing and no ability to survive. Total Crock...

That is only true when almost everyone buys it. If even one percent of the population comes to the conclusion that they aren't going along with that garbage anymore, and are just not going to play along in their little job and their little house, taking their kids to their little schools and turning on their little mind numbing TV's while swilling down a few beers, and get together to form some real little communities based on mutual aid and cooperation, the PTB are done.

Their only tool is their ability to continue to convince us we have no choice but to play along because they control everything. It's why they've wormed their way into the areas they have. Education, Banking, Government, Military, Agriculture, Media, business. The common denominator is increased and ever more centralized control. The entirety of their game for it's whole history, has been to gather more and more control into fewer and fewer hands, in all the above mentioned areas. By Corollary, that also gives us the solution. DeCentralize. Grow your own food, and encourage others to as well. Barter for your needs. Stop using banks. Stop watching TV. Stop paying taxes. Stop applying for all of their yokes. They have no authority to impose any of that. They have tricked us into "applying" for it all. We "SUBMIT" forms. We "APPLY" for licenses. We "CONTRACT" with them for our own enslavement. It's a scam. A con. We're duped. And all of the PTB actions are in the direction of reinforcing their almightiness, and our puniness. Their total control and our complete lack of any choice. None of it is true. In fact the exact opposite is true.

If enough people just wake up to the scam, then the jig is up. They'll just start walking away. some will walk away and into harms way, but the PTB have the reach only to make a few examples to put the fear back in place. When a critical mass of the population wakes up and simply says "Oh...this has been an illusion all this time", and simply adopts another way of life, the PTB are done. There will be a mass exodus and the PTB will be left hold the reigns with no horses attached. They have nothing, without all of us in our proper place, under their thumbs.

A few people who've been specifically looking at this angle are Aaron Russo, Rob Menard (thinkfree) and Stefan Molyneux (freedomainradio). I'd just advise before checking them out, to be sure to put your "intent" filters on. Look at the information while remaining cognizant of the their intent, because they do all have personal agendas or purposes for doing what they do, and that comes through their work.

Humble Janitor · 03-31-2009, 06:16 AM

There's no arguing that Alex is passionate about what he does.

To me, he's just another loudmouth talking piece, much like Rush Limbaugh.

Myplanet2 · 03-31-2009, 03:52 PM

There's something else that there's no arguing. Alex has really done a job of informing himself. If you can get past the obnoxious persona, the guy's got facts and they're right there available for his use when he needs them. That means long and hard looking and studying.

I find it worthwhile to set aside his personality and listen to what he's saying. I also set aside his tirades because I realize he's easily triggered.

Take what you can use and dump the rest. If you can't use any of it, dump it all.

But if he triggers you, then it can be beneficial to you to stop and look at what it is in you which has been triggered.

Some people snap awake with a little beep-beep alarm clock. Others need a dose of freezing water and blunt force trauma for good measure. That's Alex.

I have a friend put on the path to awakening because of Alex Jones. He ignored everything I tried to show him up to the point of Alex. Then all of a sudden I get questions about what else I can show him.

My friend is a bit of a loudmouth himself, so he took an instant interest in Jones. For me, on the other hand, it was always a bit like wading upstream through white water to listen to Alex, but I seldom if ever found fault with the quality of his information. Just his delivery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

There's no arguing that Alex is passionate about what he does.

To me, he's just another loudmouth talking piece, much like Rush Limbaugh.

avyaktam · 03-25-2009, 03:25 PM

I agree with you here, Steve.
And I don't have the feeling he has double agenda's.
For me he has been an important source of information, especially these last months.
You may prefer the flat style of Alan Watts above his bullhorn style, but that can't be a reason to dismiss the information he is putting out, which is pretty factual as it is. Everybody has the right to express himself in his own unique way, that's the fun of not being clones. This week he described himself as an Archie Bunker type, I liked that.
I don't understand you strong dislike of these people Dominic, they have done lot's of research and usually can back up what they are saying. Are they not esoteric enough or what? At the other hand what you are bringing up here looks more like slander than anything else. I'm sorry.

Northern Boy · 03-25-2009, 04:26 PM

this was posted on Resne.com

dagon · 03-30-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Dominic,

I don't think it is important if he is or isn't. What we should concentrate on is the information that he is putting out there.

He is no different than any of the other 'whistleblowing, activists'. I wouldn't even say that he is anti-government, he is just against foul play, so if he feels threatened about a one world government, Billberger group, shadow government etc. he shouts out for people to be more aware of what he think is going down. If those people take on board what he says is up to them. His 'job' is done.

People have criticized him for selling his bullhorn and other knick-knacks on his site, but we must understand, once again, it's his preferred way of raising cash.

Nobody pays his bills at home.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree with steve here. and also all of you at the same time. he has brought some interesting facts to the forefront. like most whistleblowers. I admire his rebel spirit. going against the grain. but don't always agree with him. and find him a bit crass. but that's ok to. I welcome all who attempt to bring truth to the situation at hand. its up to the listener to take what is useful and leave the rest. at least he wasnt fired for telling the truth like the folks at fox. or was he? I would be pee'd off to. I say let him rant. I do from time to time. let all information in. let the viewer make his own mind. and don't be persuade by chat room chatter. do your own research.

orthodoxymoron · 03-25-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=245119

I have always had a bad feeling about this loud mouth. You decide.

I've always had a bad feeling about Pravda. There is no Izvestia (news) in Pravda (truth)...and no Pravda in Izvestia...at least during the Cold War. I have mixed feelings about Jones. Here is a quote from the article:

'The bottom line seems to be that, at the very least, Jones is doing, intentionally or otherwise, exactly what the Illuminati want by continually ranting, over and over again, about the control being imposed over the population. While this informs to a degree, the larger issue is of a massive desensitization through endless repetition and ensuing listener psychological frustration which leads to a de facto acceptance of that very control paradigm. Clever stuff. Repeat most anything often enough and people come to accept it and become resigned to it.'

I occasionally listen to Alex, or watch one of his videos. I recently watched 'Road to Tyranny' and 'The Obama Deception'. This is probably a good thing. Being informed by a wide variety of sources is healthy...though sometimes disillusioning. What concerns me is a steady diet of this type of journalism. Bill Cooper, who is one of my favorites presently, was concerned about Jones getting people whipped-up into a frenzy. I am concerned about the people who listen to Alex for four hours every day, and who may stockpile guns, etc, and have a knee-jerk hatred of authority. I'm not sure where the rational middle ground is. I think that exposing oneself to a wide variety of inputs and sources helps to avoid getting into potentially dangerous ruts. I am opposed to the NWO...yet I read the CFR journal 'Foreign Affairs'. I'm currently reading an article entitled 'Spearheading Reform of the World Order'. I would like to make my case for globalism based upon the U.S. Constitution using the writing style of this journal...so as to be able to possibly influence even one elite or reptilian who might see the light...and make a difference. I once contacted the Trilateral Commission with just such an appeal. I suspect that all it did was get me on a list! But one never knows!

orthodoxymoron · 03-25-2009, 09:25 PM

Imagine an Alex Jones Bullhorn Alarm Clock! Imagine waking up to "Wake Up! You're not a slave of the New World Order!!!" being shouted at you through the bullhorn!

Alex could give these to the elites as Christmas presents! Can you feel the love tonight?

Dominic · 03-25-2009, 09:49 PM

I see we have quite a few infowarriors out here. I put this thread out because anyone who get this powerful is dangerous. I do not feel that it is in our best interest to be pounded with the low frequency chants that is part of his daily ritual.

Granted he uses the truth as his weapon of choice. But, There is only one truth and it comes from with in and my inner voice tells me he is a front man.

He is so fear based and wants others to remain at his low frequency with him.

If he was not doing the PTB a service he would have been gone long ago.

Rense and Jones are part of the same network I also found ties to ABC news.

Don't be force fed. All of the facts he speaks can be found else where and you can read them and decide for yourself.

I hope I made you all think for yourselves and go inside and feel the truth.

03-31-2009, 05:06 AM	#1
John aka#404 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 339	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls Hello all. Myplanet2 -- thank you for your posts in this thread. Truly insightful and exactly what we all should be focusing on. You said some things I need to digest and meditate on. Thank you. Lastly, I just wanted to throw in my two-bits in on this Alex thing... pray for him and Jeff Rense and all the others in the front lines. We can debate until we are blue in the face who they really work for... but we should take that energy into meditation and prayer for those leading / attempting to lead. Oh... and pray for Br. Kapner as well. -John aka#404

04-02-2009, 07:31 AM	#3
Baron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I'm surprised it has taken so long for many to realise that "Alex Jones" is a con-man.All his so called knowledge insights information he has swiped off others efforts, and he has the information before him to twaddle off as if he has done the research and knows his stuff.He has lists with all the info on the topic he's on, just like the Obamination needs his Teleprompter! One of the reasons he is so aggressive according to some rumours from some very good sources, is that he is now a married heterosexual and now regrets his past sexuality behaviour and his battle with alcohol. Especially with his religious background,though there is nothing pious and kind about him. Psychologists have long known that most school bully's,violent and aggressive men are usually battling a dilemma over their sexuality, and cover it up with excessive macho bravado and violence, and bully other boys and men who are usually very normal and NOT aggressive. 85% of School bully's are "closet" perverts or bisexuals and homosexuals! Interesting fact. Alex Jones behaviour last year at the DNC when he chased Michele Malkin (No kudos for Malkin but for her Zionist propaganda,but even she is human and does not deserve to be terrorised) and lost the plot totally he went MAD! Which should have alerted most people, he is mad and also a phony disinformation con artist. Now his two latest attacks one on a guest and the latest on Jeff Rense just proves this Tiger cannot change its spots. Unfortunately many Americans are so easily fooled! You only have to use the word "patriot" or "free speech" a few times and you have a following, of those who know something is wrong, but they just don't have the knowledge.Which is not their fault on the whole.Dumbing down and all that.So the likes of Alex Jones exist!!! Alex Jones talks of free speech yet censors his websites! That says it all he can sling it but cannot take it. Last edited by Baron; 04-02-2009 at 12:58 PM.

04-02-2009, 06:55 PM	#5
Baron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls "...Rumors from some very good sources..." (are you kidding? This is exactly how the PTB smear somebody) Call his sexuality and religious affiliations into question, as though that has anything to do with anything." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I should have written a very, very, reliable source rather than Rumours! However the sources are genuine and I could not name them because Alex is a raving psychopath and their survival depends on being anon.Just like Bill and Kerry's whistle blowers cannot name sources. A few of his ex school friends, no NOT friends! Are on the net ask and they my spill the beans for you , and fill you in. But the evidence is clear and right there if you look hard enough.He has even said as much himself on a few of his drunken rants on air! His sexuality is no concern of mine or the whistle-blowers, but the profile fits perfectly for somebody who is now a religious and practising heterosexual. When he was once Bisexual at the very least. His violent anger threats and aggression also fits the bill of being a closet bi or homosexual who is pretending to be straight, so over acts his he-man image. These are the same people that assault heterosexuals in jail.In denial butch big angry violent types who pick on straight normal men and assault them. This how he has most likely been controlled by the Zionists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MV0RDBRZU But I'm not the only one I was a listener for a while and got drawn in, but some things did not add up so I went digging. You should do the same and you will find he's not who or what he claims to be. No need for anybody to do a character smear him! He does that all by himself. Last edited by Baron; 04-02-2009 at 08:12 PM.

04-02-2009, 10:09 PM	#8
777 The Great Work Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At the doors of perception Posts: 2,135	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls Alex Jones got a Beef with Jeff Rense. its the nature of taurus the Bull,April 20,GTO fast and the Furious. Last edited by 777 The Great Work; 04-02-2009 at 10:17 PM.

04-03-2009, 09:48 AM	#10
Baron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls [QUOTE=Myplanet2;125493]Since I'm not looking to smear Alex Jones, why would I go off in search of material to smear him with? Alex smears himself.But the reason you wont look at other information is because you are brain washed by his twisted message I presume.You are a taken in fan. Since you were looking to smear him, you went off and "found" some source to provide that smearing. No I did not go off looking for evidence to smear him! He does that all by himself.I took the testimony of two whistle blowers and presented it here, just like Bill and Kerry do for whistle blowers. My point, in less pedantic language, is that I don't have a problem with Alex Jones. And I'm sure Alex Jones doesn't have a problem with me. Does Alex Jones have a problem with you? has he attacked you? Does he visit forums and smear you? Lastly, you DO have a problem with Alex Jones. You are not less pedantic you are as pedantic as before.Off course you don't have a problem with Alex Jones, you are an apologist for him and possibly one of his stooges. So, non-pedantic question: Who's the one with the problem? Non-pedantic answer: You. NO you are wrong YOU are the one with the problem, of what I reported here! My earlier, more pedantic posts on this subject, were addressing the concept that If you're having a problem... YOU'RE having a problem. Alex Jones **** you off. That could never happen if you didn't have something within you being mirrored by Alex Jones and his behaviour. What?!!!! Your esoterica in your BS is ridicules. Write in plain English for crying out loud.I'm having a problem with Alex Jones? LOL. I have a problem with his lying agenda anger violence and threats he makes on people. Something within me is being mirrored by Alex Jones! Give me a break here what you on about some space time conundrum?!! So since I disagree with your defence of Alex Jones behaviour, I'm mirroring you and really believe your the epitome of truth and reason. Oh shut up! Get a life. And the above quoted post from you exemplifies (oops, sorry. shows) this to be true. Again what are you on? What to be true? That I have found out he's a disinformation Zionist agent and battling sex and alcohol problems to boot?! perhaps doing some personal work on yourself instead of nattering away at a courageous, fierce soul, behind his back, would be time well spent. With that question you are mirroring your guru Alex Jones. I don't need to do any personal work on myself I have a gorgeous wife for that! Nattering away at a courages fierce soul,behind his back? LOL. Well I was nattering to you if anything and not behind his back,this is not behind his back, he knows what I and others know about him and he is stum, and you can reiterate this anyway when you report back to him later. Or not. your choice how you choose to interact. But here's a little wisdom from Alex Jones, or somebody a lot like him. "Karma's a bch Well I think its Alex Jones who has to worry about his Karma and it being a bitch. What are you doing here at Camelot and Avalon? These sites are for discourse and for sharing information.Based on a website for getting the truth out, no matter how dirty, for and by whistle blowers.You only want to read whistle blower testimony if it suits your chain of thought and does not dampen and expose your gurus as being anything but what you deem them. Alex Jones is a bully and violent, threatening ,angry,liar disinformation Zionist stooge, who advocates freedom of speech but not about himself, so he "censors" all about himself! That does not stink of hypocrisy to you then?! Oh and if you think Alex Jones is doing all this out of his own pocket for informing YOU and his followers with free to download films, then you are brain washed! His films are loss leaders and he sells tons of **** from his site, and via the radio to most who who couldn't rip a disk if they tried. Just look up his tax returns, and you tell me how much his income was the last three years? It will blow your mind he's a multi millionaire! All from Doing his charity work! LOL. Alex "jone" Jones forum would be a better place for you to hang out, and you can get some personal work as you call it, done on yourself there, no question.Myplanet you are on a sulphur planet of your own don't bother me again with your stupid hypocrisy and esoteric mumbo jumbo. Last edited by Baron; 04-03-2009 at 10:13 AM.

04-02-2009, 01:46 PM	#4
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I recommend finding and presenting some actual facts, as opposed to this armchair character assassination. "...the fact that he is a paid CIA instigator." (What proof?) "The proof is out there." (where? If you drop a turd in the room, at least say where it came from.) "...Rumors from some very good sources..." (are you kidding? This is exactly how the PTB smear somebody) Call his sexuality and religious affiliations into question, as though that has anything to do with anything. If you can't produce any facts then you do an indignity to Alex and even more so to yourselves and this group by even starting in. The vast majority here at Avalon are way beyond being able to be influenced by such lame attempts at discrediting. What are YOU doing about the state of this planet. (besides telling those on the front lines what's wrong with their efforts and them personally) Sheesh.

04-02-2009, 02:06 PM	#13
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls Could the people who have rejected Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Naomi Wolf, etc. please direct me toward someone I can believe in? Take me to your leader. Seriously. Who is doing the best job of exposing evil and corruption in our world today? I'm fickle. I try to listen to whoever makes sense. I try to be open...yet critical. Thanks in advance.

04-03-2009, 01:01 PM	#15
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I'm going to take a vacation from this stuff. But before I go...I previously asked for advice regarding who I could believe in. When one tears down...one should be prepared to build upon a better foundation. I'm waiting to hear what this better foundation and structure might be. Also...what do you think about the guests Alex has on his show? Even if Alex is a hot head with all manner of inconsistencies and issues...what about his general message and the messages of his guests? Are his videos factually incorrect? If so...where? Which videos do you prefer to watch? I rarely listen to Jones...but when I do...the information presented is hard to refute...although the manner in which it is presented is sometimes hard to take. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 04-03-2009 at 01:12 PM.

04-03-2009, 01:14 PM	#16
Zeddo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 694	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I wonder if anyone has bothered to ask Alex Jones where he stands? I'm sure he'd be happy to answer if you asked in a civil mannr. Hmmm, that is sooooooo stupid, just like this whoe thread.

03-31-2009, 06:16 AM	#18
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls There's no arguing that Alex is passionate about what he does. To me, he's just another loudmouth talking piece, much like Rush Limbaugh.

03-25-2009, 03:25 PM	#20
avyaktam Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Auroville, India Posts: 268	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I agree with you here, Steve. And I don't have the feeling he has double agenda's. For me he has been an important source of information, especially these last months. You may prefer the flat style of Alan Watts above his bullhorn style, but that can't be a reason to dismiss the information he is putting out, which is pretty factual as it is. Everybody has the right to express himself in his own unique way, that's the fun of not being clones. This week he described himself as an Archie Bunker type, I liked that. I don't understand you strong dislike of these people Dominic, they have done lot's of research and usually can back up what they are saying. Are they not esoteric enough or what? At the other hand what you are bringing up here looks more like slander than anything else. I'm sorry.

03-25-2009, 04:26 PM	#21
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls this was posted on Resne.com

03-25-2009, 09:25 PM	#24
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls Imagine an Alex Jones Bullhorn Alarm Clock! Imagine waking up to "Wake Up! You're not a slave of the New World Order!!!" being shouted at you through the bullhorn! Alex could give these to the elites as Christmas presents! Can you feel the love tonight? Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 03-26-2009 at 04:14 AM.

03-25-2009, 09:49 PM	#25
Dominic Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Edgewood, Wa. Posts: 302	Re: Is Alex Jones A Zionist?…Controversy Swirls I see we have quite a few infowarriors out here. I put this thread out because anyone who get this powerful is dangerous. I do not feel that it is in our best interest to be pounded with the low frequency chants that is part of his daily ritual. Granted he uses the truth as his weapon of choice. But, There is only one truth and it comes from with in and my inner voice tells me he is a front man. He is so fear based and wants others to remain at his low frequency with him. If he was not doing the PTB a service he would have been gone long ago. Rense and Jones are part of the same network I also found ties to ABC news. Don't be force fed. All of the facts he speaks can be found else where and you can read them and decide for yourself. I hope I made you all think for yourselves and go inside and feel the truth.