The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[mudra]

You said these words today to me Chris :

" Its not more freedom of speech we require it's freedom from speech "

These are the wisest words you ever said Chris

Love for You
mudra

[amate]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I have let go of having to be right, what a relief that is, try it for just one day and see what happens, I asked myself would I rather be right than happy. No contest. Somtimes I am right and happy but thats effortless -- nothing to prove.

love
Chris ---- whatever he is

Dear chris.
I started to read this thread just now and came to this part of your comment.
Man, it's like coming home.....
what is right or wrong anyway.... just labels

[LucidJia]

Can we even exist in this dimension without an ego? Is it necessary to have an ego to hold our sanity together?

I felt, maybe I lost my ego once after taking a very special drink in Ecuador. If this was the case, I don't think I would want to exist ego-less in this reality for very long. It would be amazing in other places, but maybe this place wasn't designed for an ego-less state as we would not learn certain lessons... maybe on how to strive for egolessness?

Just a thought. Namaste, Jia.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by LucidJia

Can we even exist in this dimension without an ego? Is it necessary to have an ego to hold our sanity together?

I felt, maybe I lost my ego once after taking a very special drink in Ecuador. If this was the case, I don't think I would want to exist ego-less in this reality for very long. It would be amazing in other places, but maybe this place wasn't designed for an ego-less state as we would not learn certain lessons... maybe on how to strive for egolessness?

Just a thought. Namaste, Jia.

I appreciate your concerns.
We have teachers in an egoless state and they have been active or inactive in this world.

Eckhart Tolle author of The Power of Now is in that state but active.
He rarely talks of ego because he realises their will be resistence to letting it go.
However the ego cant survive in the NOW.
So if his sugestions are followed then the ego less state will occur naturally.

Dr David Hawkins in various books a trilogy starting with "Power vs Force" goes in to detail as to how the ego came about as a necessary survival mechanism for a lower state of consciousness, we are in the process of evolving from a lower state to a higher one, the ego is becoming redundant.

My friend 14Chakras recommended a book "The Christ is Born in You" by Kim Michaels.
Christ consciousness is an enlightened state, we are moving into that state now but need the energy/ teachings flowing from those who are in that state to lift us beyond where we find ourselves now, at least till we find the truth of these teachings, which have been there since time began, that Truth is within every single one of us and found through meditation, prayer, forgiveness, the first two commandments of the bible.

chris
Namaste.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by amate

Dear chris.
I started to read this thread just now and came to this part of your comment.
Man, it's like coming home.....
what is right or wrong anyway.... just labels

Dear amate
you got it.
Thanks for your post.
Chris
Namaste.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Carmen

A lovely thread greybeard, with some thoughtful answers. The ego/personality is not destroyed in the quest for an expanded consciousness/understanding, it is transformed, it is renovated. It becomes subject to the spirit in us and I think it is rather relieved once its given up arguing its point! It can be very sneaky though, and can be reborn as 'spiritual ego' Each one of us, I think, has this problem for quite some time after iniatially 'awakening'. Anyway, the quest is a marvellous one and the only one worth taking as we evolve ourselves.

Love

Carmen

Thanks Carmen

Yes its not about killing it off.
There is a famous series of Zen pictures training wild ox, portraying the civilizing of the ego.
We are not the ego it comes with the package of being a human but we are responsible for it.

A good way of looking at is as an amusing pet that needs discipline.


In ultimate reality there is no ego it is just the thoughts we identify with as being me.

However it is helpful to see it as that pet.

Ramana said. Use the thorn to remove the thorn then throw both away.
In other words the mind is used to remove the mind then it is let go of.

Incidently Ramana also said tthat you can tell the progress you have made (spiritually) by the degree of silence of the mind.

The ego thrives on drama which is mainly of the past or future.
There is no problem in the present moment -- chalenge maybe.

As said here allready here. The ego cant survive in the present moment.

Love Chris

[Steven]

That is a thread I like. Hello Greybeard. I really enjoyed all previous posts.

I like to see it this way. Take off all that comes from your current life, your name, your nationality, your education, your culture, your parents, your beliefs, your profession, etc... all like it were clothes you could take off like layers that covers your inner soul. And then what is left? What is it there shining like a Star? It is you, the real multidimensional being. All the rest on the floor are the components of your Ego.

Namaste, Steven

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Steven

That is a thread I like. Hello Greybeard. I really enjoyed all previous posts.

I like to see it this way. Take off all that comes from your current life, your name, your nationality, your education, your culture, your parents, your beliefs, your profession, etc... all like it were clothes you could take off like layers that covers your inner soul. And then what is left? What is it there shining like a Star? It is you, the real multidimensional being. All the rest on the floor are the components of your Ego.

Namaste, Steven

That is so Steve in my understanding.
Yes there are some great posts.
I am learning a lot.
Namaste Chris

[Machinamentum]

I haven't read this whole thread yet but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Ego is a very necessary part of human emotion. Our creator did give it to us. It does serve a purpose.

In todays society it seems that people are brainwashed and the ego runs the wrong department.

Ego is a counter balance to low confidence and self esteem.

When ego is applied to the wrong area to compensate for short comings in another, which is most commonly found, you tent to become big headed in certain more confident areas.

When ego is applied to an area that needs improvement it can add a boost to confidence or even overcome anxiety. Adding ego to insecure aeras, the ego does not run away with the personality and you tend to be more true to yourself.

It's almost like the mind builds a personality to be in charge of the body while the mind learns or if misused your mind will go on vacation and ego will run the show. A material world perception-manifestation to be in charge of the body for the conscious for a brief period.

[LucidJia]

Chris. Do you think when someone transcends their ego they eliminate it altogether or morph it into a higher consciousness or something else?

[Machinamentum]

To transcend ego look into Buddhism.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Machinamentum

To transcend ego look into Buddhism.

Buddhism is a very good way to go.
In an earlier post I covered the co-creator question.
Basically God dosent need a co-creator.
He gave us free will and we created good and evil.
God is not in anyway co-creator of evil.

Namaste Chris

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by LucidJia

Chris. Do you think when someone transcends their ego they eliminate it altogether or morph it into a higher consciousness or something else?

I can only answer from what I have read Lucidjia as my ego is some what tamed but not transcended.

When a person is enlightened there is no me/person left but conscious/awareness remains.
There is still the name ie chris and the personality but the "I" would experience through chris but be perfectly aware that all of chris is the earthly vehicle.
What I am is formless and existed before chris.

Hope this helps.
Mybe some one else can answer this good question more fully LucidJia.
Thanks for asking.
Namaste
Chris

[14 Chakras]

I suggest, the entire goal of creation is to expand your "I" and bring your unique experiences with you so you're a totally unique co-creator with life eternal in the mind of God.

You are a Son or Daughter of God.

You are not here to grow up to disappear. You are here to expand the awareness of who you are in Oneness with All that IS.

Your I is permanent (in fact, it's the only thing that's permanent in all of material creation!).

Overcome the ego is to get back on track on your growth as a spiritual Being, a Co-Creator in the mind of infinity.

The human ego is the personality based on the illusion of seperation. There is no reality in it. You are not your ego, you are I AM. You are infinite potentiality expressing yourself as a limited separate nobody.

There's nothing wrong with this. It is an experience you will take with you on your journey through infinity. You will know what suffering was all about!

But when you are ready to stop suffering, stop playing the victim, and take up our rightful role as co-creators, then it is time to surrender the human ego.

What do you receive in return? You receive your Divine Ego, your I AM Self. Who you are in Oneness with the infinite rather than separate from it. Your Divine individuality. You graduate to the next level in the schoolroom of infinity through Ascension in consciousness.

Seek to save the ego long enough, and eventually you lose your opportunity to play the game of creation, which is the game of More, the game of transcendence. As long as we seek to hold on to what keeps us less, we're stuck while the rest of creation moves upward and onwards.

Overcoming the ego just means going with the flow, the River of Life that is always More.

[LucidJia]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Overcoming the ego just means going with the flow, the River of Life that is always More.

I like this, sounds good to me

Thanks 14 Chakras. I always enjoy reading your posts.

Jia.

[LucidJia]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I can only answer from what I have read Lucidjia as my ego is some what tamed but not transcended.

When a person is enlightened there is no me/person left but conscious/awareness remains.
There is still the name ie chris and the personality but the "I" would experience through chris but be perfectly aware that all of chris is the earthly vehicle.
What I am is formless and existed before chris.

This makes sense to me. In other words its the complete a total realization that you are infinite consciousness, connected to everything?

I have read Yogananda's autobiography and if I remember correctly he liked to call it self realization. When if at all do you think Yogananda achieved self realization?

It has been a long time since I read this book but it touched me greatly. I recommend it to everyone. I must read it again soon!

Namaste, Jia.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by LucidJia

This makes sense to me. In other words its the complete a total realization that you are infinite consciousness, connected to everything?

I have read Yogananda's autobiography and if I remember correctly he liked to call it self realization. When if at all do you think Yogananda achieved self realization?

It has been a long time since I read this book but it touched me greatly. I recommend it to everyone. I must read it again soon!

Namaste, Jia.

Dear LucidJia
What 14 Chakras wrote is correct, my answer is also true just more simplistic.

As to Yogananda Dr David Hawkins author of "Power versus Force" and other more advanced books developed a map of consciousness.
He calibrated enlightenment at 600 on his scale and Yoganand a just short of this but at a level of unconditional love ie Saint hood.
There are levels of enlightenment according to Dr David Hawkins which fits with 14 Chakras post.
According to Hawkins only God walks through the final door.
Self enlightenment is also known as God realisation.

Chris
Namaste

[kriya]

[QUOTE=LucidJia;202815]
I have read Yogananda's autobiography and if I remember correctly he liked to call it self realization. When if at all do you think Yogananda achieved self realization?
QUOTE]


I believe Yogananda entered what is called Nirikalpa Samadhi (unending God Union) or permanent Self-realization in 1949. Until you reach that state you can still be influenced by the world and can loose the bliss, temporarily or permanently.


Kriya

[kriya]

[QUOTE=kriya;202879]

Originally Posted by LucidJia

I have read Yogananda's autobiography and if I remember correctly he liked to call it self realization. When if at all do you think Yogananda achieved self realization?

I believe Yogananda entered what is called Nirikalpa Samadhi (unending God Union) or permanent Self-realization in 1949. Until you reach that state you can still be influenced by the world and can loose the bliss, temporarily or permanently.


Kriya

[greybeard]

[QUOTE=kriya;202880]

Originally Posted by kriya

I believe Yogananda entered what is called Nirikalpa Samadhi (unending God Union) or permanent Self-realization in 1949. Until you reach that state you can still be influenced by the world and can loose the bliss, temporarily or permanently.


Kriya

What is amazing to is that his body was so pure it did not decay normally according to the morticion report in the book as I remember.
Cetainly he decided to go, turned eyes to heaven and left, as I remember.
Think that is only possible to those who are enlightened.

Regards Chris

[RedeZra]

Sri Ramana Maharshi

lifts the veil to reveal

the Light

of the worlds


where are you now



Paramahansa Yogananda

supreme swan

white sail on the waters

towards the shores of Light


how close did you come

[greybeard]

The whole thing is realy simple. ( this is me talking to me smiling)
All enlightened ones say basically the same thing.

Enlightenment is a an egoless nonduality state brought about by the grace of God.

Therfore if I want to know about that state it is necessary or me to listen to some One in that state. No theory just ultimate truth.
Not the spiritual circus which talks about it but is not it.

The LOVE of God is not emotional love it is just --- LOVE of The One with out a second. None other.


Namaste
Chris

[kriya]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The whole thing is realy simple. ( this is me talking to me smiling)
All enlightened ones say basically the same thing.

Enlightenment is a an egoless nonduality state brought about by the grace of God.

Therfore if I want to know about that state it is necessary or me to listen to some One in that state. No theory just ultimate truth.
Not the spiritual circus which talks about it but is not it.

The LOVE of God is not emotional love it is just --- LOVE of The One with out a second. None other.


Namaste
Chris

It is said in India that enlightenment is 25% your effort, 25% your Guru's effort (or teacher) and 50% the grace of God.

[giovonni]

This continues to be one of my favorite threads. Quite revealing and refreshing.

I like this analogy

from 14Charkras
"Overcoming the ego just means going with the flow, the River of Life that is always More."

Reading other members (very sincere) post comments, is like drifting down a flowing river, allowing oneself to take in the continuing changing view of both sides of the shore. From this process, one's innerself (soul) will hopefully emerge.

I believe one can occasionally, drift towards a safe shore. But~ just for a brief respite. For being stagnant upon it too long will, give the ego time to wake-up

This process of flowing, enabling the innerself (soul) to fully awake, should eventually lead to leaving one's ego sleeping upon the shore; As you quietly cast off again, towards the ocean of all there is.

[RedeZra]

ego

a mask in a carnival

a wave on the ocean

a spark from a fire

a tree in the forest

a cave in the mountain

a bird on a wire

a planet in the universe

a man on Earth