Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust

[371]

I don't understand why people seem to treat this type stuff like it is something new.

This has been going on forever.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by 371

I don't understand why people seem to treat this type stuff like it is something new.

This has been going on forever.

Your right, but its the "cover up" of what really happened.

Have you always known the truth ? If so, does it not bother you to continue to push the wrong ideas off on the world ?

out of sight, out of mind is the way the world is and its time for them to realize that we are living a blatan lie here.

People can believe what they want but IMO, it helps TPTB continue on their way slaughtering anyone that they deemed unfit to live.

[371]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Have you always known the truth ? If so, does it not bother you to continue to push the wrong ideas off on the world ?

out of sight, out of mind is the way the world is and its time for them to realize that we are living a blatan lie here.

Nazi atrocities? YES always have known, it is my heritige.

Living a blatant lie? No, didn't always know. And certainly not just how much of it is a lie.

Out of sight, out of mind indeed. Most people simply don't care, until it effects them personally.

Then they are upset, and cry about it. That is like a rocking chair- gives them something to do but doesn't get them anywhere.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by 371

Nazi atrocities? YES always have known, it is my heritige.

Living a blatant lie? No, didn't always know. And certainly not just how much of it is a lie.

Out of sight, out of mind indeed. Most people simply don't care, until it effects them personally.

Then they are upset, and cry about it. That is like a rocking chair- gives them something to do but doesn't get them anywhere.

Yes, I am upset about this. I can't imagine that I am alone with my feelings.

But apparently its fitting to let the world go along their way and accept the fact there is nothing we can do about this now so forget it.


I dont feel that way, I didnt know all of this and yes it is very hard to comprehend the scope of what happened and I dont care if it happened 100 years ago. People still walk around with their heads in the cloud believing their stories.

Its time for the world to open their eyes and see who did this and why.
Because it is still happening. Or do you think the Holocaust was a one time thing ?

I just find your last response pretty harsh and hope that more people will wake up to the truth now that word is getting out to us.

It matters regardless of those that have always known. It matters alot

[mntruthseeker]

I just happened to run into this today and felt I must put it here for all the people that feel that this thread was based on Untruths or that it shouldn't of even been started

REVISIONISTS

Revisionists - Men & Women of Heart & Soul.flv From: FredrickToben | December 24, 2009 | 140 views 1. This is an incomplete compilation of Revisionists who have dared to confront the Hoax of the 20th Century - the Jewish Holocaust-Shoah lies because of their love for truth, among other topics.
2. Remember, anyone who thinks and absorbs new information, then refuses to fudge the books because the new information threatens their world view, is a Revisionist.
3. Holocaust believers are either ignorant of the physical facts, liars or both, and that is why they legally persecute anyone who refuses to believe in their lies.
4. For many the maxim still holds - the truth hurts, but don't look for a scapegoat.
5. Life's lesson is - get over it and liberate yourself through hard mental work from your own mental conceptual prison - Arbeit macht Frei. ... (more info)



http://www.youtube.com/user/Fredrick.../0/WB27ecKd-3o

[derpif]

Wow I`m so upset now.
Never thought that there are people on this site dumb enough to even discuss this. Sorry.
I`m from Germany and my mother was born in 1935. My Grandmother was born 1911. I know from first hand witness accounts that it happened.
No one here in Germany, except the f#cking Neo-Nazis, would discuss this seriously.
I don`t find words for the ignorance and stupidity to post this eXchanger.

derpif

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by derpif

Wow I`m so upset now.
Never thought that there are people on this site dumb enough to even discuss this. Sorry.
I`m from Germany and my mother was born in 1935. My Grandmother was born 1911. I know from first hand witness accounts that it happened.
No one here in Germany, except the f#cking Neo-Nazis, would discuss this seriously.
I don`t find words for the ignorance and stupidity to post this eXchanger.

derpif

NO ONE HERE, is disputing it did NOT happen

everyone here is in absolute agreement, it did

what we are discussing is how wide spread are these holocausts ???

(what was NOT recorded in history)

and, how much more truth is there, to dig for ???

SO IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN ~ WHAT CAN WE ALL DO,
as part of humanity-who care NOT to have a repeat performance of things like this ???

i have interesting german lineage,
that can be tracked back to 1150ad

we also lived through, a lot of 'hatred' towards
having a german last name, that was discussed yesterday,
at Xmas, to get lengths

so~you don't have to tell me, it happened

WE KNOW iT HAPPENED

in a discovery for 'real' truth

HOW eXpansive was it ???

that is what we are debating

and, how it is, we might all advert it happening again !!!

that is what we are discussing here

WE REPEAT, WE DID NOT WRITE THAT ARTICLE

THERE is a lot of war going on ~ between draco blood/and, elven blood

are you aware of that ???

and, german people were transported - or, choose to run
to advert, getting slaughtered

some even ran from russia/to poland/to france and, into germany-and, onto others parts of the world

many, many people lost their lives ~ most never got to talk about it

although, some do whisper in The Trinity/or The Trine of The Ethers....

that is what we are discussing !!!

[THE eXchanger]

some chickens ~ aligned with churches
instead of keeping their chosen belief systems
to save their lives

did you know, some germans, converted to jews
prior to 1900, as, they thought that was safer
and, relocated to CHE REP

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by derpif

Wow I`m so upset now.
Never thought that there are people on this site dumb enough to even discuss this. Sorry.
I`m from Germany and my mother was born in 1935. My Grandmother was born 1911. I know from first hand witness accounts that it happened.
No one here in Germany, except the f#cking Neo-Nazis, would discuss this seriously.
I don`t find words for the ignorance and stupidity to post this eXchanger.

derpif

derpif: I'm curious to hear what you think of the German laws to prevent free speech on the holocaust.

There is an official story about what happened that lead to the formation of Israel. In watching what the Zionist government is doing lately, I have become interested in this topic again because it seems like there are some details that don't add up. It seems like the people best qualified to tell this story are the German people who experienced it, but one can face imprisonment for saying anything other than the official story.

The Neo-Nazi thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Hitler had Jewish blood (1/8 or 1/10th) which he even mentioned in Mein Kampf. Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers such as the Rothschilds without whom he would have not been able to accomplish anything. Further, after the Zionists established Israel, they have been pushing the Palestinians further and further out and destroying their land and property. They are heavily financed by the United States and enjoy some substantial privilege in the Middle East as a result of it. There is something here that just doesn't add up.

FWIW, I studied German in college for four years. My mother's side of the family is Jewish and I've been told I lost distant relatives in the camps. For this reason, my mother protested my studying German or having anything to do with German language or culture. I don't have any grudges. I just want to know what really happened because it appears we are in a position where history may be repeating itself. Those who don't know what really happened in the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

--sjkted

[derpif]

Hi sjkted,
in my opinion it is very unfortunate and stupid from Germany that denying of the Holocaust is prosecuted.
This topic is only discussed in underground extremist circles. It is a great taboo here. That is what it makes so interesting for many young people.
In an open discussion with these so called revisionists you could debunk their lies easily for everyone to hear.
In my opinion even the most extremist political view should be allowed the freedom of speech. Everything else is very dangerous.

Greetings
derpif

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by 371

I don't understand why people seem to treat this type stuff like it is something new.

This has been going on forever.

true - however, iT iS TYME to alter/change/and, morph and shift it,
into something of a higher order - so, the collective consciousness
on earth - is forever changed

if you read, here :

you;ll quickly discover who jehovah - really was

it might surprise you

THE TRUTH about Earth Changes & ETs -- They are us, we are them

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=17838

post 88 - starts the main info

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE find it ???

[371]

Whether or not the holocaust as we think of it today happened.

There were massacres, all over occupied areas. Entire villages exectued.

6 million jews seems more shocking, then a whole local populace. Higher number, but given regional concentration not the same. But still very bad.

Victim mentality.... i see all over now. Minorities, religious.... whatever.

Further division of the divided is how i see it.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by 371

Whether or not the holocaust as we think of it today happened.

There were massacres, all over occupied areas. Entire villages exectued.

6 million jews seems more shocking, then a whole local populace. Higher number, but given regional concentration not the same. But still very bad.

Victim mentality.... i see all over now. Minorities, religious.... whatever.

Further division of the divided is how i see it.

Yes, it is very sad and did you know that after the war they had more Jewish people recorded than listed prior to the war ? I have nothing against the Jewish people but its the ones that are behind this as was pointed out before that are making money off this war. There is a huge difference in their story and the truth................These people were slaughtered and not the way its written

The truth needs to come out so people will see that it was the Israel,USA, Britain and Russia especially the NAZI'S that had a hand in this as they are today. Especially the Jesuits & Vatican.............evil evil

We still have so many people that shut their eyes to the truth.

I feel its important because although I hate to say this, I know that we still have many people that just dont give a **** because it happened there and not here. Well its happening all over and they need to know its what they want to do here

[HORIZONS]

If six or six million are murdered in the name of war it is ALL a holocaust. It doesn't matter how many die it is a holocaust to our true nature. If humanity cannot transcend the need for war, then humanity will eventually kill itself off the planet. Without a paradigm shift in human consciousness a holocaust of Billions will surely come upon us all.

Consciousness transformed + no war = Peace for us all.

[Slerbot]

eXchanger, I expected better from you.

You say "WE did not write this..." who is WE exactly? Do you have an evil twin I don't know about?

We do not need this foolish discussion to occur again, so your reposting of these rightoid opinions are unneccessary here, and inflammatory for it's own sake.

Short memories or what? No wonder it is the fashion to rewite EVERY history... the latest generation ALWAYS thinks it is the smartest, wisest,
most tech advanced to date. We are still being shown this is also BS - neanderthals could have had it all over us in sprirtituality and art culture.
What do we worship today? Empty vessels: Lady CaCa, famous imbeciles with freakish faces, and stupid, overpaid young men beating the meat out of each other on a field.

Not all history is neccessarily 'wrong'. That's only my opinion now, but your write up of the piece you link to says alot of what you are thinking, too.

As has been stated already, the numbers might have been fudged, Bloodlines and races might have been ignored too, but the hell did happen,
and it still happens of course, just that (many of the holocaust) victims' puppet government is perpetrating some of the same sick rituals on the true owners of the country they inhabit.
Like some child abuse victims who grow up to be pedeophiles.

I would like to obliterate that entire ugly reality and all it's root causes (extreme rascism and other ignorance, grimy secret ritual belief (harmful to others), lack of attention to warped govt policy,
political apathy combined with flag waving patriotism) and so also it's history as some of us know it - perhaps you would too, eXchanger? In my preferred next world, anyone else who really wishes, won't have any of it - inc the current culture and empathy vacuum. Is pretending a different past the way toward a better future?

[wynderer]

yes, it's true that there have been many genocides thruout history -- perhaps one difference w/the Nazi attempt at genocide of the Jews [particularly -- yes, i know Jews weren't the only ones to die in the camps] -- the difference is that the other 'genociders' have passed into history -- the Nazi genociders passed to other countries & now control the real power in my own country & others -- it was also the most well-organized genocide we know of

when you deny the Holocaust, you are essentially denying present reality, &, as far as the camps go, very likely denying your own future -- human beings seem to be really good at denial

also, Holocaust denial appears to be fun for anti-Semites

[edit for this: i don't now if the documentary 'Mein Kampf' is still around -- it was released in the year A. Eichmann was brought to trial -- a lot of footage that the SS themselves had taken of the camps -- there 's also a map that the British made of the location of the camps -- they were EVERYWHERE -- i remember reading of one small camp in which the inmates were given bunks made of barbed wire to sleep on

it seems kind of tasteless & definitely un-loving to me to deny the suffering & death of so many]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[THE eXchanger]

in many languages - there isn't a she/or a he - or; an i
there just, is, what there is,
we prefer 'we', rather than 'i'
if 'we' is good enough for 'the bloody queen'
than, it is 'good enough' for us - why be; a little 'i' ?
we aren't anyone's subject, we are free !!!

[THE eXchanger]

also; there was a huge holocaust in america;
back in 1490 - NOT even recorded in the history books

(we sure, do NOT want history to repeat itself)

[THE eXchanger]

the issue here; if you pay close attention
is, that, it is against the law, to even talk about it !!!

[fossileyesed]

good day susan,hope all is well
i was wondering if you've heard of unit 731.
i saw it on google awhile back.it is about how the japanese treated the chinese just before ww11 took place in 1938.the japanese were experimenting on the chinese in ways that made the germans look loving.
also found out that the concept of ovens was not a ww11 thing.
it almost seems like a script.one that got attached to the holocaust.

WARNING very disturbing.dont watch if you are tender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp8bSdE5MQ

what i find even more disturbing than the cruelty,is that the american governments,did nothing,said nothing and were more than willing to receive all the results of the expeiriments.


peace,love...kent

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

also; there was a huge holocaust in america;
back in 1490 - NOT even recorded in the history books

(we sure, do NOT want history to repeat itself)

Personally, I think there have been these so called holocaust going back even further

I didnt know about the one in 1490, but what do people think war does in the first place ?


I know that I think it is time to put an end to this

[THE eXchanger]

yes, it is a shame, that, they try to take away our wellness businesses,
and, it is a shame, that, they invest, in the worst BUSINESS in the world, WAR

WE MUST BRING an end to it, so, everyone can

BE a PIECE of PEACE

any suggestions, on how we do that ???

[fossileyesed]

personally first,then the world.yesterday was just that,tommorow doesnt exist.
that leaves today.
that dramatically reduces the size of the problem.peace,love and harmony from there.
now it gets really complicated,lol.cause it seems to me that loving your neighbor,like your self,has become extremely foreign to most people in the world.
i dont know why.
on the personal front,i am aware that we/us/them/they and those folks are brothers and sisters,directly related to trees.ya,i know,mind boggling amazing.
it makes me sad at same time ,because i can see how simple the solution is.
for whatever reason it is a concept that for the most part is lost.

how to eliminate the fear of each other,so we can get down to loving, giving
in a more harmonious relation with mother earth.simple and yet so complicated.

nobody is gonna save me.so it starts with me.now i need some help,lol.
harmony,hmmmm,simple.

i recorded this today down at the river.
theres a couple crows singing in the middle.they must have known i was recording,lol.
i did four,and crows sang in two of them.the wind chimed in also.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P7uSMK3TlI

peace,love,harmony...kent

[wynderer]

Hi Fossileyesed -- getting rid of the fear works if everyone in the game wants to get rid of it -- unfortunately for us at this time on Earth, some of the key players in the game find fear very useful & quite nourishing -- not all beings on & around Earth have hearts that will be opened should there be the promised incoming of Divine Love

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[fossileyesed]

ya,thats the sad part.

peace