Zeitgeist: Project Venus Pioneers

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Greycat

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

[Jeff Delano]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

[Truth voice 2012]

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Truth voice 2012

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

Welcome on this challenging Path, Truth voice 2012; your spirituality, thoughts, commitment and skills would be very needed.
But it looks like you are rather a Quick One; with your energy generator you have already taken some sound lead with regard to the individual steps towards the realization of Project Venus, namely point 4 - A/ Preliminaries: Actions for Social Transformation (individual Self Commitment).
[...]

4- Boycott The Energy Companies
-) Move to Clean Energy; make Your Home and Car Self Sustainable.

[...]
Bravo!

Looking forward to your assessment of the tasks ahead and to your contribution on other areas at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy, in section 'General Discussion'.

Martian31v,
We are only trying to set the basis by expressing our will to take upon the challenge, by testing the faisability, in practical and human sense, of the whole project.
There are obviously enough questions we will try to answer as satisfactory as Humanly possible as we smoothly move forward and we would certainly need all our Spirit, heart and mind to respond to the logistical and purely Spiritual requirements of Project Venus.
NorthernSantuary,
I can only agree with you: it is highly dialectical.


Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[martian31v]

i am very excited about the zeitgeist/venus project. but there are many fundamental problems with transitioning into a resource based economy that is acceptable to a large base of individuals. what is the means/process of distribution? how does citizen 1 get food, citizen 2 clothing, ect??? there has to be a means of exchange. the LETS system (wiki: local exchange trading systems) can address some of these problems, and without the use of money or accumulation of wealth. but this system runs into problems when trying to include higher end items (cars,houses,vacations,ect) we need to focus on systems of distribution that do not accumulate wealth, and provide us a high standard of living. i dont want to live on a farm and trade fruit for heating oil. i want to live in a technologically advanced society where wealth and prosperity is shared equally. how do we get there from here? great thread btw, martian31v

[NorthernSanctuary]

I remember in the sixties when the promise of technology to give more time to people was part of the promise of the future. Robots would do housework, do the farming to grow food, etc. Technologically this is feasible and within our grasp. What has happened, inspite of the immense advances in computers, AI, is that we have much less free time, always rushing like crazy, and our quality of life is decreased to an extend where all we want is to try to stay above water.

The present big challenge is to find a process, a way to transition to a society where the physical needs of food, shelter are met, and we have more free time to work on our mental/ spiritual aspects. The established powers do not want this, so making a successful transition is a "big" job. If it has a chance to succeed, it will be because the exisiting infrastructure will collapse from its own weight, and this new network of Avalon communities is organised enough to be built up. This is my assessment of our present situation and the challenge we face.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Jeff Delano

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by RaKaR

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?

To put it simply, we should wait for the right opportunity.
Whatever that might be.

We've all got ideas I'm sure.

[Bagatell]

Originally Posted by Greycat

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative

You mean ther´s only one alternative? I doubt that.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Greycat

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I particularly like the idea of switching to a resource based society. This is key. But there are some glaring inconsistencies with the design.
Also, where will you PUT this new city? You think the NWO is going to let a free society exist and FLOURISH? How will you be accepting members? If scores of homeless people come to the gates will they be turned away? What will they be turned away with?
It's sort of a Utopian concept when you look at it in a realistic manner.
HOWEVER, I'm DOWN as it's alot better than the alternative.

Hi again, Member Greycat,

Regarding some of your questions:

One of our Pioneers just informed me that there is actually a PROTOTYPE of the CITY you wondered about in Fla, USA.
Conceptual Models and the scientific measure of their sustainability could be also be viewed and challenged at: www.thevenusproject.com

Regards.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Trippin Ninja]

Since I live in central Florida I was going to try and visit this place but it looks like they have it up for sale now.
http://www.flalandsale.com/

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Trippin Ninja

Since I live in central Florida I was going to try and visit this place but it looks like they have it up for sale now.
http://www.flalandsale.com/

Hi Trippin Ninja,

I saw that one, thanks. I do not know much about that place and the role it was supposed to play - apart from the fact that one could go there, see it and have an idea of the housing concept.
Building a prototype seems a good idea to me.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Pioneers from Avalon,

'Zeitgeist' is up and running.
Go to www.thezeitgeistmovement.com to register.

Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

I hope that the focus of your project and all the material interpretations of social, economic, political and other systems and their organization will be based on creating an environment where humanity's spiritual (albeit not religious) advancement will be the focus.
The material manifestation no matter how promising the Utopia may appear is an empty shell without the God Head, the divine being within.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by ideagoras

I admire and applaud the cause and this initial proffering of a solution. I most respectfully disagree with how some here have expressed it (and I say this without criticism or judgement), but I do not believe the issue should be about whether one is "in/out" of this project. The artificial construct of the division/alienation of humanity is an ego-based, fear-based, and ignorance-based perspective. I believe there will be other solutions/ manifestations (hopefully many others) for humanity inspired by this project. For the movement behind this is the greater movement of humanity's collective transition out of its existing global "karmic wheel" (to borrow from one school of thought to describe this spiritual/material phenomena at the level of the individual), the karma of which has been building up, accumulating and it may very well point to the year 2012 as that ultimate point of release. The price will be steep, as steep as a 100 billion accumulated wrongs, a 100 billion acts of inhumanity, a 100 billion instances of hell. The price will undoubted be the collective suffering that we ourselves have caused and are now seeing unfold before our very eyes. Humanity's transition and advancement will be hard earned, for there are simply no short cuts for genuine spiritual advancement.

Such is the price to know God, the Divine, the Infinite. Such is the price to know ourselves. Such is the price to know love, to value life as a precious gift which we can share with others.

I hope that the focus of your project and all the material interpretations of social, economic, political and other systems and their organization will be based on creating an environment where humanity's spiritual (albeit not religious) advancement will be maximized. Humanity needs a billion Jesus(es), a billion Buddhas, a billion Mohameds, a billion Hindu masters--in other words people who related with each other from the heart, from the soul, from our infinities.

The material manifestation no matter how promising the Utopia may appear is an empty shell without the God Head, the divine being within.

Amen, ideagoras!

Thanks for your insights; Spirituality is certainly the Key.
As far as i can judge, this aspect is not neglected within Project Venus, in the contrary.
The second part of 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' is indeed entirely dedicated to the call to overcome one's own limitations and to aim at some genuine Spiritual Growth.
Furthermore, the points 2 and 18 and to a lesser extend 17 of the Declaration of Intentions of Project Venus(see below) onderline this necessity.

I do not know how this project is being perceived and/or presented by some other people on this Forum - as you seemed to point out - but for me it is just an option among many possible others.
I just feel so far at home here.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk


1. Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth’s people.
2. Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people.
3. Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy.
4. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
5. Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.
7. Sharing and applying all of the new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
8. Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc.
9. Ultimately utilizing the highest quality products for the benefit of all the world’s people.
10. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega-projects.
11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
14. Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise.
15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
16. Enhancing communication in the new schools so that our language and education is relevant to the physical conditions of the world around us.
17. Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the possible changes that lie ahead.

Thanks.

[J_rod7]

*
** Good to See ALL who have come here, a BIG Hello

Oh Yes, I'm Onboard with This Project Venus

There is a strong Vortex of ENERGY forming up here, LOTS of Very GOOD ideas.

A Question occurs to my Mind: Are Jaques and the other Planners at Project Venus yet Aware of ALL this Support being generated here.? If they are not, they should be made Aware. Perhaps = forward Copies of Postings from here to Jaques at P-Venus.

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.

There are a LOT of very talented people here at Project Avalon, from whom ideas become as Fuel for Positive Direction, Spiritual Growth, and 'Git-er-Done' know-how.

Some here have expressed some Confusion as to Creations Laws. For the 'beginning' of Understanding for this Valuable Truth, please read at this Link:
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/IntroToSp...0Teachings.pdf

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

And, FWI, I have Permission from Michael Horn to Post this Link:

http://www.theyfly.com/

** In Peace
*

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by J_rod7

*
** Good to See ALL who have come here, a BIG Hello

Oh Yes, I'm Onboard with This Project Venus

There is a strong Vortex of ENERGY forming up here, LOTS of Very GOOD ideas.

A Question occurs to my Mind: Are Jaques and the other Planners at Project Venus yet Aware of ALL this Support being generated here.? If they are not, they should be made Aware. Perhaps = forward Copies of Postings from here to Jaques at P-Venus.

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.

There are a LOT of very talented people here at Project Avalon, from whom ideas become as Fuel for Positive Direction, Spiritual Growth, and 'Git-er-Done' know-how.

Some here have expressed some Confusion as to Creations Laws. For the 'beginning' of Understanding for this Valuable Truth, please read at this Link:
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/IntroToSp...0Teachings.pdf

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

And, FWI, I have Permission from Michael Horn to Post this Link:

http://www.theyfly.com/

** In Peace
*

Right on, Herr J_rod7!

Welcome on board. What a tremendous Uplifting!
Your suggestions could be discussed by the Pioneers here at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy(section 'General Discussion', or see direct link in one of the posts above) - your further contribution would also be greatly appreciated.

Creation Rules and Inspires!

Salome.:-)

Pioneer Dolphin,
I will shorty send you a note about your 'ps-question' on your personal page here at Avalon; i can already tell you that i am another 'Mortal' just like you and all the rest.
I heard of Project Venus less than a week ago( precisely on the(un)famous Oct. 7!), through 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' - i wrote pretty lenghty about this personal experience at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy.
See you there, right?!

Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Reveling John]

Originally Posted by J_rod7

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.

This is a GREAT IDEA! Way to get those cogs spinning, J_rod.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Reveling John

This is a GREAT IDEA! Way to get those cogs spinning, J_rod.

Pioneer J_rod7 rocks!

Cheers, Gentleman!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[peacelovinman]

Originally Posted by J_rod7

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

** In Peace
*

And that is why a techoncratic society is destructive. Machines are another barrier between us and the Earth that sustains us. Creation provides everything Man needs to survive.

[RaKaR]

i have seen both Zeitgeist movies and I am not at liberty to say further than I have about my inner viewpoint for the Venus Project.
I would ask you of your intent to post the above conversation to our public eye. What good would this prove to anyone outside you and I?
regards.[/QUOTE]


Namaste, Member Kelle Baley,

Also the answer to this question can be found in the posting you made mention of: the sake of transparency.
You are an intuitive person, you should understand that i would share all information with The Family, no matter how disturbing it might be, for everyone around here is seeking Awakening and Spiritual Growth and is therefore Self responsible - my personal responsibillity could be eventually to find the right way to present it, so that the Inner Peace of others won't be greatly disturbed.
In a time when we are rightly expecting a shift of Consciousness, when we dream(quite possibly also rightly) of accessing telepathy and Oneness, i do not think that there is still room for secrecy.
I have to say that it was rather surprised by your wish to discuss this issue privately. I accepted to do so, for i thought - and i still do - that you are a Lady(based on your way of writing and your avatar) and the Gentleman within me and the thankful Member of the Family we from here, which i am, could not reject such a request.
Sharing any eventual information has always been my intention and also this exchange will find its righteous place, that is the public eye.

Besides, the way you started this conversation could lead only to one necessary consequence, that is, that i would have the Duty to report back what i would learn from you.
You assumed that i play some kind of leading role within Project Venus and you are not the first or only one. I have already cleared this out.
This conversation and specially the turn it is taking could have been avoided if you have taken a preliminary look at my posts, either on my page or on the main page by the threads related to 'Zeitgeist: Addendum'.

For the sake of fullness and clarity i will forward you the message i sent to all Pioneers of Venus, which is also to be found on my own page(Title: Clarification).

Best regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Mercuriel]

The following in Bold Purple has My Spirit seeking Discernment...

6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.

That statement alone sounds very Transhumanist / Eugenicist to Me...



Understand that as I read the Outline of the Aims of this Community I was totally in agreement with most Tenets of It until I came across the above. This is where a Red Flag went up for Me...

Note : I'm seeking Discernment in relation to the above statment - Not seeking an Argument...

[Connecting with Sauce]

I'm not sure over population is the issue. I think it is education and energy and health. And of course deception and dishonesty... and potential earth changes if these happen...

Knowing about free energy devices being developed globally… this one a 5kW WANG generator in China is one getting close to implementation ready http://www.free-energy.110mb.com/Magnetic_Motor.pdf more at the link I posted in free enegy section...

If there was free energy, then there would be free clean water (from the sea) and therefore the food issue would be sorted due to desserts and clean water.

All the oil pipelines in the world could be used to pump water and pretty soon the issues would dissolve…

An Electric car with a large WANG generator in it and a flywheel hybrid system like the flybrid sytem would soon resolve the car issue or a car running on water such as Stan Meyers system.