Anti-Doom Thread --

[DeadDeadDead]

I think some might be scared of these events actually happening, all I can think about is Star Wars, yeah, good old Star Wars. Yoda says to Anakin, "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose" People have become attached to their paper money, possessions, and even their own body, the "reality" they tell us we live in. "Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is."

Let go of your attachments, learn to grow and progress without them. If they close the banks then find other creative ways to get the things you need to survive. Don't let them control you through your attachments.

If they take my car I'll walk.
If they take my home I'll find a new shelter.

They can tell me what to read
They can sell me what to eat
They can feed me and send me the bill
But they tell me what to feel?

no

If they raise a gun to my head, let them shoot, they'll get nothing from me for I am greater then this crude matter, and I will still love them.

To live in fear is no way to progress and grow. "The fear of loss is a path to the dark side"

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

[DeadDeadDead]

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

I totally agree.

In a Star Trek episode some one said something like emotions are neither good or bad its what you do with them that determines if they are good or bad.

I choose to acknowledge my fear or anger that comes up, but I accept it as a raw emotion, let it go or turn it into love to direct back at it's origin in attempt to balance.

I'm not saying forget the "real world" and play jedi. I look at Star Wars and take inspiration from there, along with numerous other things. I take ideas and bring them into my life. The concept of the force, the dark and light sides are not just fictional story mechanics the ideas can be brought out and looked at in relation to your own life. Good and positive things.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough in my first post there but I thought the overall idea of not letting "them" get to you through fear and control you came through. My intentions were in relation to this thread topic, I intended to plant my feet, stand up to negative "doom" that's been going around a bit. Try to put something positive out there.

Maybe the smiley at the end negated the idea, lol.

You mention balance, they talk about that in Star Wars too! lol.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in.

Z

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?

[Magii]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?

Thats nice .. alot of what if .. or what if that ..

How about.....
What if no SUPER DOOM is gonna happen .. and we get to live as we are right now .. and generaly moving to a better more positive future ..

Where there is less war, less hunger, less of all the negitive .. and more of the positive!

You can go ahead and research, learn about all the DOOM & Gloom, I do it but thats not gonna be my reality, nor will there ever be enough prep'ing

Welcome to ANTI-DOOM!

[DeadDeadDead]

All the "Gloom and Doomsayers" and "Light and Love of the 1980's" are both needed to give a lot of people, who read and never post, an idea of what choices are available and why. Through the disagreements of both extremes, hopefully a balance can be achieved. This is what this forum is all about. If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points. This goes for both sides.
Just because you don't believe, doesn't make it not true. Look at the disagreements as a great way to learn not just to prove your limited view. We all have a limited view of the whole. Once we start seeing other views then the picture becomes clearer and eventually the puzzle may be solved.

YES!

If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points.

awesome.
should be the subtitle to the forum title as a reminder

[larissarissa]

Interesting debate, good points made by all. It's easy to sit around talking about all this stuff, but what can be done? For me the forum is a means of connecting to kindred spirits which feels good, and gathering information which will help make decisions when situations arise.

I don't need to make judgements about whether someone is doing something for the money or if they are for real. My intuition will always let me know if something feels right for me, and this varies from person to person. So to me nobody's right and nobody's wrong, they just are what they are for whatever reason.

No matter how I feel personally, and I've got a lot of feelings, I respect the right of others to feel as they do. I was amused to see one of the threads on this forum closed due to heated personal exchange. If I was paranoid, I would feel that maybe the disruptor was deliberately causing trouble to disable the forum. Who knows?

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by larissarissa

Interesting debate, good points made by all. It's easy to sit around talking about all this stuff, but what can be done?

That's the question, isn't it? In one shape or another that question is everywhere these days. I think the answer is the same as always: anything you want. Just do it. There will be consequences.

Maybe the question is, what is being done? Are not people of all ages and all over the world waking up to a new sense of empowerment and wonder? And are not these same people, all over the world, meeting each other and sharing thoughts, networking, forging friendships and alliances, debating, learning, sharing, for the first time in history, thanks to the Internet?

Whatever happens, this time will be known as another of those Great Awakenings that takes place now and then and shifts the course of history.

What can be done? Shine! Teach! Love! Learn! No one will come to us if we teach failure and the destruction of all that mankind has hoped for. Nor should they, for that is false. And if we attempt to preach our new awareness from streetcorners, we will be seens as fools. If we preach our new awareness through the media, we will become fools. What to do? Shine...let the light shine through you, in all you say and do. People will be drawn to you...they will ask what you have that they lack. They will be drawn to you. You don't say, "Follow me!" But when you discover you have companions, say, "Welcome!"

Plant seeds of light everywhere you go. You can never control whether they take root...remember the parable, be the Sower. Don't worry if your seeds may seem imperfect...you will constantly spread better ones, as you learn the art of spiritual husbandry.

Originally Posted by historycircus

No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.

Hehehe I do...

1) Change in the weather....

Global Temperature Chart 2500 BC to Present

The chart below does not really need any words, it is pretty self explanitory. Though we should do whatever we can to eliminate polution and take care of our environment, the chart shows that Global warming and cooling will go on with or without mankind's involvement



415,000 Year Temperature Graph


In Antarctica there is a fresh water lake buried beneath the ice. Last time it saw the light of day was 420,000 years ago. This lake is NOT FROZEN. Taking ice core samples gives us a VERY ACCURATE measurement of global climate...

This graph below is drawn from the data gathered from the Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the graph, there have been six periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today’s temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global temperature was five degrees higher than today.



So all those SELLING the "Mankind is to blame for Global Warming" nonsense... now you have the TRUTH

Originally Posted by historycircus

2) Given the current power structure and patterns of wealth accumulation, and an understanding of how the very scenario we face today has played out in history, those at the top now will do whatever they have to to ensure continuity in their own lives, such as, say, passing a trillion dollar economic "rescue" that solves nothing for the majority affected by the current economic decline. .

I cannot urge you more strongly to watch this video... It is a must see to those attempting to understand the money situation... Its been posted here in many threads

This video is about the reality of Money and how the system works in a very easy to understand presentation

This IMO is a film everyone should have a look at... PLEASE just have a look you will be glad you did

Money as debt
A short film by Paul Grignon

MONEY AS DEBT [/quote]


About GOLD...

I see a lot of talk about gold...

I also see that EVERYONE has forgotten that we went through this same 'crisis' in the 80's...

Gold skyrocketed... almost to current levels... Silver hit 45.00 an ounce as the Smith Brothers tried to corner the market... lot of Gloom and Doom talk then too...

So what happened? The Gov opened the vault at Fort Knox, sold some gold and over the weekend gold plummeted... and for the next 20 years we had stability...



Besides how will you use Gold to pay for food? You going to carry a file and a scale?


An what's the big deal with 700 billion bailout? We spent a LOT more blowing the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan...

Rumsfeld announce on 9/10/2001 that the treasure misplaced 2.3 TRILLION dollars and another TRILLION there after... but we all forgot about it the next day as Bush asked us for Billions more to send Iraq back to the Stone Age

And we all bought it... hook line and sinker and are STILL paying for it at the pumps...

Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

2.3 TRillion $$ of the TAXPAYER's MONEY IS MISSING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

McKinney Grills Rumsfeld
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU

Watch the MONEY video... watch these videos and MAYBE you will see what they have been SELLING you...

Originally Posted by historycircus

3) Western culture has deteriorated to the point that any decline in living conditions and wealth will result in the suffering of many - from those willing to victimize, at the very very least, for the fun of it.

This is nothing new... the few have always preyed on the sheep and always will. The only way to stop it is to educate as many of the sheep as will listen.

I have looked around at the threads here lately and I hear a lot of "Peace and Love" talk... yet under it all is the constant gloom and doom about everything under the sun.

2000 was supposed to be the end of everything... we are still here This was based on Nostradamus not having any predictions past 1999..

Funny thing is now all of a sudden his predictions are valid again up to 3535 or something like that...

2003 Zeta talk convinced MANY people Nibiru was coming... they quit jobs, sold houses and bought bunkers...

Didn't happen... I bet they are ******...

2012...

Nibiru is Coming... WHO TOLD YOU THIS? Certainly NOT Sitchin... because in the "End of Days" he gives the earliest possible date fot the return of the Anunnaki to be 2085 and the Planet Nibiru to be 2900

So just WHO is promoting 2012 as the return of Nibiru? THINK ABOUT IT

Galactic Allignment... Okay so what does this mean exactly? We crossed the plane of the Galaxy 25 million years ago and are moving up and out to 250 light years above the plane before we bob back down... Well they tell me now that what it means is only of Astrological importance...

Oct 14th We hear the "Federation of Light" ship is coming... based on ONE person... this has spread far and wide through the internet... and what will happen if it DOES NOT show up?

We will hear "Chanelling is not an exact source... but it will happen soon" Well if its not an EXACT source, then WHY are we being given EXACT dates?

And the latest "Escape" If something doesn't happen... the time line has changed and it has now been avoided...

Convenient huh?

Now don't get me wrong I KNOW there is something going on with TIME but you won't hear me make any predictions or charge you for it

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Originally Posted by historycircus

You can call it doom and gloom if you wish, perhaps that is indeed the right label. Preparation is the key.

Preparation is ALWAYS a GOOD PLAN...

BUT!!!!!

How can you PREPARE if you have no clue what exactly to prepare FOR?

Sure it seems Avalon is supposed to be set up to get at that issue... but I see rampant confusion and disagreement with what we should focus on...

I would LIKE to see a point form list of the real issues

"Radiant Zones", "Support groups", "Ground Crews" sound like a marvelous idea... and certainly nothing wrong with educating people

Look at the last big Tsunami... people running out to the beach collecting shells as the tide went out. There was one native fishing village... they saw the receding tide... and said "Boys... today we don't fish, we go to the mountain to worship"

They survived... You know we were taught that in grade school... when the tide goes out like that... its coming back with a vengeance... head for the hills...

People that believe Nibiru is coming to hit the Earth... Okay so tell me how you will prepare for this?



I actually see people WISHING for Nibiru to come... hoping its real..


A support group you must establish first if you can REALLY count on them in a time of crisis... Look at New Orleans... even the Police abandoned posts and some turned looters...

I would like to ask EVERYONE here... how many of you have a minimum of a 72 hour emergency kit by the front door IN CASE you have to bug out in a hurry? The Mormon Church demands this of their members... but how many have it?

You need ONE kit for each family member. This is just a smart idea if you live in flood plains, tornado country or earthquake zones...

You need to put stuff in it you will NEED like medication if you take any, food water etc that you can survive with for three days at minimum

Stocking food in the house is a good idea simply for monetary reasons... but you should have energy bars that last a long time... things like that. If you practice buying specials and rotating stockpiles you can save a TON of money and always have an emergency backup.

Now the crunch... you here the talk about "help your fellow man" But what happens now when all hell breaks loose? Example

You have a three month supply of food and water (and toilet paper (Oh yeah? Try doing without THAT for three months)) for your family...

So the crunch comes... but your parents did not prepare... and your best friend was too busy shopping at the mall to worry about hard times...

Do you now share YOUR food and water with them?

Your neighbors... they did not prepare... but you have mentioned time and again that YOU did... so now they have nothing and they know YOU do...

Do you share with them?

So what has now happened to your three months supply?

Will those who did not prepare understand rationing even if you do share?

Just think about all this for a bit...

Me personally... we have a swimming pool with 35,000 gallons that can do in a pinch, a years supply of food, a generator to keep the freezers going in case of power outage and we are part of a Medieval re-enactment group.

As such we have the skills to do without electricity, make our own bread and 'spirits' and even have our own loom...

Just my personal equipment for the events can support a tent city of 60 comfortably... and like the Roman generals... it is portable in a hurry...

But we also have the skills, the means and the wherewithall to protect it. We DO know how to turn Plowshares into Swords

Now just think about all this...

And please stop WISHING for GLOOM AND DOOM lest Ye fulfill Prophesy by the desire of the masses.

The Universe could care less about GOOD or EVIL... Look at Hubble Stars and Solar Systems die continuosly... In a flicker of a moment our Sun could go NOVA and all our history our art our hopes and dreams would vanish in seconds... and the Universe would not notice our passing... and some Alien world would look at the beautiful NEBULA the death of our solar system left behind and might wonder...

Was there ever life in that system?

But GOOD has one small advantage over EVIL... Good is more focused, while Evil is selfish and scattered

This ONE SIMPLE DIFFERENCE makes it possible for those thinking GOOD thought to have sway over EVIL... It is the ONLY thing we have going for us... the ONLY thing that separates Chaos from Order


Thanks for this thread... I am glad others are seeing through the muck

[lightbeing]

Zorgon! my friend
Thank you.
Namaste!

Zorgon,

Given the incedible effort spent replying to my post, I feel compelled to respond. Let me be incredibly brief, and hopefully not too blunt.

There are a great number here on this forum who think that 90% of this material is utter rubbish. Planet X, dragons, the NWO, reptilian conspiracies, etc. carry about as much truth in their minds as say, the tooth fairy, or supply side economic theory. The corruption, violence, and exploitation that has plagued us as a species has become so ordinary that some will latch on to any theory that could potentially alter our situation right down to its very core - no matter how fantastical or absurd.

With that being said, all of us are here because of that other 10% - the stuff that can't be explained as swamp gas and weather balloons. While we cannot prepare for our sun going nova, or a planetary collision, there are potentialites that we can prepare for. Natural and man-made disasters await us, whatever form one chooses to believe they will take, so why not be prepared for that which can be prepared for?

I take issue with your last post - you insinuate that discussing preparedness and potentialites is tantamount to wishing for the doom and gloom. Since you were quoting my post, I have no choice but to assume that was aimed at me directly. I'll go on the record again - as I have stated this numerous times - I hope I am wrong in my belief that having some form of survival knowledge will be essential to the coming times. I have never wanted to be wrong so badly. But, you know, I just can't shake the feeling that something dreadful is headed down the pike - something unprecedented - that will radically redefine how we all live our everyday lives. Many here, as kooky as their beliefs may seem, feel it too. And by the way, isn't that the point behind Avalon? Networking for preparedness? This site wasn't created to swap stock tips or bread recipies - it was created as an organizational tool for the Ground Crew.

If I'm wrong, I'll get to have one helluva' yard sale.
If I'm right, I might just be able to make a positive impact on the world and the people around me.
If the planet explodes, then I'll just be.

Peace, love, and funny colors,

The HistoryCircus

Originally Posted by historycircus

Zorgon,This site wasn't created to swap stock tips or bread recipies - it was created as an organizational tool for the Ground Crew.

So what exactly then does this Ground Crew do?

Its funny that not ONR person has yet piped up and said they have an emergency kit

And no it was not aimed directly at you... you merely provided the catalyst. So don't take offence... as has been pointed out this is the ANTI DOOM thread... there are plenty Ground Crew threads all in neat little boxes already.

But experience, recent world news and history have shown me you better be prepared for yourself and immediate family first... because counting on others in a disaster is if at best... it usually quickly turns to 'every man for himself' in a hurry, no matter how good the intentions.

And you will be of no use to help others, if you are not able to help yourself first

[uranian]

while i do expect some fairly major changes imminently, i absolutely agree with the original poster. when you find yourself becoming depressed by all the gloom, may i suggest 100 hundreds seconds of your life be dedicated to this?

Originally Posted by zorgon

So what exactly then does this Ground Crew do?

Its funny that not ONR person has yet piped up and said they have an emergency kit

And no it was not aimed directly at you... you merely provided the catalyst. So don't take offence... as has been pointed out this is the ANTI DOOM thread... there are plenty Ground Crew threads all in neat little boxes already.

But experience, recent world news and history have shown me you better be prepared for yourself and immediate family first... because counting on others in a disaster is if at best... it usually quickly turns to 'every man for himself' in a hurry, no matter how good the intentions.

And you will be of no use to help others, if you are not able to help yourself first

Sorry Z, maybe you missed my "Survivors' Eyes Only" thread. Many of us there have the kit ready to go.

And by the way, I don't do service-to-self; my preparations are for a total of 10 people, much less than my family unit. And if more than that seek my help, I'll kill myself working hard making sure they eat. History and current events don't mean chit to me - help all who need it I say. That is the true measure of a man, and the essence of being human.

You pray that the bailout works, and that the war ends, and that the grocery stores still have food on their shelves in the morning. And if I run into your hungry, ill-prepared self on my exodus, I look forward to sharing a meal with you, and will be able to sterilize your wounds.

I wish you peace.

If you find yourself depressed - do something positive about it.

[The Illuminated Ones]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Zorgon,
With that being said, all of us are here because of that other 10% - the stuff that can't be explained as swamp gas and weather balloons. While we cannot prepare for our sun going nova, or a planetary collision, there are potentialites that we can prepare for. Natural and man-made disasters await us, whatever form one chooses to believe they will take, so why not be prepared for that which can be prepared for?

Well thats all fine, but what about the people who go out looking for weather balloons and swamp gas, only to find that the government has substituted UFO's for them?

What about that then, my pretty little Chupacabra?

[Pomguymguy]

The Mere" Thought of It"

"Clif High's unique perspective linguistics model seem to be coming along exactly as described - etc... which then precipitates a series of events doing from bad to worse, etc... we are witnessing a controlled demolition of the global economy.. etc
That was Bills quote, along with many other members perspectives, ideas, etc. following a simular theme.

So we are the so called "Ground Crew" ( Thanks to George Green) "We" project this thought or thoughts ( which then gives that thought more energy) that then goes out into the universe and strengthens the forecast that has been predicted - "We" are giving it focus and fulfilling the prophesy by the mere "thought" of it.
Everything we experiance comes from inside of us created by the function of our own thoughts to produce manifested "Thought Forms" as the "physical reality".

But maybe this is the recession we have to have - a final wake-up call that will shake the western world to the core and a few more will awaken ?

Come on people, we know that this money thing is an illusion - there is in fact no money - or very little of it! 99.99% (or less) is stored on some computer or other such device - but it really is not there. If we all went in and asked to draw our money out ,they could not do it!

Thats part of how they have conned us for sooooooo loooooong guys ! Yet because, in the case of "being in dept", people (sheeple) are reacting to something intangible, mostly fueled by the powerful emotions of fear, (F.E.A.R.) which leads to more worry and despair - and more negative emotion which makes the situation seem even more critical ( at this time)

Then again "Time" does not exist beyond Earth, the only real time is "Now" - so therefore "We" create everything in the Eternal Moment of NOW.
If we carry the notion of fearing what might of might not happpen tomorrow or next week then that's what we create right NOW ( As Clif High's predictions are showing)
Keep in mind that nothing ever happens by chance - we are all where we should be at this "Time" - here NOW to learn certain things, and for this be grateful. Remember, we are all to become enlightened in the end so we can return to the "Source"- For some the journey will take a little longer !

[Rocky_Shorz]

Avalon is a gathering point for many special people, the vibrations so strong I get vertigo being attached...

Imagine being in a group of people that as they read the doom, can bend reality so the outcome changes... We need the dreamers telling us the horrors they are seeing in our future, so we can make the changes needed now to prevent it...

When Henry first said it, I didn't really believe it, now I'm doing it...

[Ampgod]

There is a difference between Doom and straight up probable reality.
I don't believe in dragging others or yourself down at all.
Being educated is a good thing whether it's content is doom ridden or not.


Just my take on this,

Ampgod

[Magii]

Please note the following...

This is a classic Brainwashing technique.. there maybe elements of this happening on here .. as part of Rogue People & Disinformation agents...


~~~~
In a brainwashing group,

a number of individuals from varying backgrounds and personalities (aka people on a forum)

are manipulated by a "group leader" to form a "consensus" of opinion (anyone can be the leader here)

achieving a new "group identity."

The key to the process is the creation of a controlled environment (this is a control enviroment)

in which stress is introduced (sometimes called dissonance or DOOM) to crack an individual's belief structure ( umm just look at many of the threads )

Using the peer pressure of other group members
the individual is "cracked," and a new personality emerges with new values.

The degrading experience causes the person to deny that any change has taken place. In that way, an individual is brainwashed without the victim knowing what has taken place.
~~~

[Rocky_Shorz]

Do you know what happens when a group is being "brainwashed" and someone walks in out of the blue seeing a clear picture and states reality?

In every doom and gloom thread, one or more step forward that can see through the veil...