Air France airbus goes down

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi waitinginthewings,

There were 228 people on board including the crew which included 3 pilots and I beleive 7 cabin crew. I just relayed the information that I had at the time.

The plane probably went down as apparently the Brazilian airforce was asked to start a search three hours after the last contact with the flight. If the aeroplane is still up there, it would have appeared by now.

I said in my initialpost that the weather here was heavy rain (I live very close to Recife) and weather reports indicated heavy turbulence in the area at the time.

On 25th May, a flight going to Sâo Paulo from Miami struck heavy turbulence as it came over this region, so much turbulence that passengers were thrown up against the ceiling of the aircraft:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/c...s,377256,0.htm

It seems that heavy weather is increasing over the South Atlantic. Watch out for the hurricanes up north!

Air France said that there was also an electrical fault reported and so this also could have contributed to the disappearance.

Best regards,

Steve

Thank you for the update, I'm avoiding the news these days. I hope there are survivors, and am praying for all involved.

[Dantheman62]

Air France Flight 447, an Airbus A330, left Rio on Sunday at 7 p.m. local time (2200 GMT, 6 p.m. EDT) with 216 passengers and 12 crew members on board, company spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand.

About four hours later, the plane sent an automatic signal indicating electrical problems while going through strong turbulence, Air France said.

The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10 p.m. EDT Sunday). An automatic message was received fourteen minutes later "signaling electrical circuit malfunction."

Brazil's Air Force said the last contact it had with the Air France jet was at 0136 GMT (9:30 p.m. EDT Sunday), but did not say where the plane was then.

Brazil's air force was searching near the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, about 300 kilometers (180 miles) northeast of the coastal city of Natal, a spokesman said, speaking on condition of anonymity in keeping with department policy.

The region is about 1,500 miles northeast of Rio.



Air France-KLM CEO Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, at a news conference at Charles de Gaulle Airport north of Paris, said the pilot had 11,000 hours of flying experience, including 1,700 hours flying this aircraft. No name was released.

"We are without doubt facing an air catastrophe," Gourgeon said. "At this time, the plane's fuel reserves would not permit it to still be in flight."

He said the plane was "very far" from Brazilian coast when last contact was made, without providing details.

Aviation experts said the risk the plane was brought down by lightning was slim.

"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, Alexandria, Va.

He said planes have specific measures built in to help dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin.

"I cannot recall in recent history any examples of aircraft being brought down by lightning," he told The Associated Press.

Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

[Dantheman62]

Lightning and Other Weather Threats to Airplanes,


The disappearance of an Air France jet that hit a patch of thunderstorms and lightning over the Atlantic Ocean last night raises questions about the aviation threats that natural hazards pose and just how dangerous they are.

Some officials have said a lightning strike could have disabled the plane. That would be a rare incident, though there are several other weather phenomena that pilots must be wary of. Following are some of these hazards, with an idea of just how much risk they hold for millions of flights around the globe each year:


Lightning


A handful of jets have been blown up by lightning, including a Pan American flight in 1963 that killed 83 people. But radar and other improvements in weather forecasting now make thunderstorms - and their lightning - easier to avoid.


In the early 1980s, NASA flew a jet into a thunderstorm on a test. It was hit 72 times in 45 minutes and gave scientists valuable data.


Commercial planes are still hit about once a year, research from the University of Florida has shown. A strike typically starts at a wingtip, nose or tail and courses through the aircraft's skin, which is often made of aluminum-a good conductor. Many strikes are initiated by the plane itself, and most occur during the climb to cruising altitude or descent and when the plane is in a cloud.


The plane's lights might flicker, but most of the energy just heads back into the sky if there are no gaps in the aircraft's skin.


Modern jets often employ advanced composite materials, which are not so conductive.


Another airborne threat can come when birds get sucked into a jet engine.



Turbulence


Turbulence is a more common problem - almost all airline passengers have likely experienced a bumpy ride at some point.


Turbulence is air movement that normally cannot be seen and often occurs unexpectedly. It can happen because of changes in air pressure, jet streams, waves created by the influence of mountains, cold or warm fronts, and thunderstorms. It can even occur when the sky is clear.


Turbulence can't always be predicted and radars can't detect it.


Turbulence is the leading cause of non-fatal in-flight injuries, according to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, usually because passengers or crew aren't wearing seatbelts.


While turbulence may cause you to knock your head hard, it isn't likely to be fatal. From 1980 through June 2004, U.S. air carriers had 198 turbulence accidents, resulting in 266 serious injuries and three fatalities, according to the FAA.



Thunderstorms


Thunderstorms pose a risk to planes during the stormy summer season.

In general, the risk posed by thunderstorms is from the convective motion of the air within them, the powerful updrafts and downdrafts that can push a plane around, potentially damaging it or worse. (These drafts are one of the stronger forms of turbulence.)

There are dedicated forecasters who send minute-by-minute weather information to aircraft to help them avoid hazardous weather. Air traffic controllers also keep an eye on the weather in their area, to help in their effort to guide incoming and outgoing planes.

Radar can detect rotating air in storms which can indicate the potential presence of tornadoes.



Ice

In the winter, ice on the wings of planes can pose a significant risk (and a source of flight delays).

Icing occurs when supercooled water drops adhere to an aircraft wing and freeze (supercooled drops are liquid even though the temperature is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit, (0 degrees C). When ice builds up on the wings of an aircraft, it can simultaneously slow velocity and decrease lift, potentially sending a plane into a catastrophic dive, according to the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

Wing icing, which can occur in the air or on the ground as a craft waits for takeoff, has been the cause of many fatal aircraft crashes, including some involving airliners, though it is more of a hazard for commuter aircraft and other small planes. Icing causes dozens of accidents per year with smaller craft, a study by the National Transportation Safety Bureau found. An estimated 819 people died in accidents related to in-flight icing from 1982 to 2000, with most accidents occurring between the months of October and March, according to the same study.

In-flight icing downed the small plane carrying rock 'n' roll legends Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper when their plane crashed soon after take-off from Mason City, Iowa, on February 3, 1959.

Different substances can be applied to plane wings to de-ice them before takeoff.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...atstoairplanes

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Just a quick update.

Unofficial reports coming from the Brazilian Air Force say that pilots from another airline (TAM) spotted orange coloured debris in the sea around 700 nautical miles east from the archipelago Fernando do Noronha.

Searches will continue when light permits.

Best regards,

Steve

[Humble Janitor]

I would say that until the actual plane is found, that we are only speculating.

However, anything's possible.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

How do they know the plane went down.....the article I read said 228 people on board including pilots, 7 children, and 1 baby.

Now we got solar flares on 822

[judykott]

Search for Air France Flight 447 Reveals Astonishing Pollution of World's Oceans
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The most alarming piece of news this week emerged when investigators of the doomed Air France flight 447 announced they had found "floating debris" from the plane crash, but it turned out to be only floating trash in the ocean. This is, all by itself, a disturbing commentary on the pollution of the world's oceans: When investigators can't find a plane crash in the ocean because there's already too much trash floating on the surface, we have a problem with pollution.

It's as if they went out to find a plane crash, but ended up discovering that our oceans look like a train wreck. Had they peeked under the surface of the water, they might have found untreated dry cleaning chemicals from a cruise ship, raw feces from a military vessel and tiny bits of plastic that pose an extreme risk to marine life.

With this, air travel investigators learned an important lesson: Just because debris is floating in the ocean doesn't mean a plane crashed there. It could just mean humans are destroying the planet. While 228 passengers sadly died in a tragic air travel accident, we might all die if we don't stop polluting our fragile ecosystems with endless trash.

(If investigators followed the line of debris, of course, it would lead them straight to the nearest port where ocean liners and military ships would be found several thousand pounds lighter due to all the garbage and sewage they dumped in the ocean before anchoring. The U.S. military, in particular, treats the world's oceans like a giant toilet, dumping trash, sewage and dangerous chemicals directly into the waters.)

What's really crashing is much bigger than one plane
Getting back to flight 447, investigators first announced they had "without a doubt" found wreckage from the flight. And what, exactly, had they spotted? A wooden pallet!

Did they think flight 447 was a Wright Brothers airplane? Who spots an intact wooden pallet and concludes they're looking at the wreckage of a modern-day airplane? Did they really think an entire plane (made out of metal) was destroyed, but a fragile wooden pallet somehow emerged from the crash unscathed?

An oil slick was also spotted near the area where the plane went missing, and investigators initially thought that was from the downed Air France flight. But it turns out it was just another random petrochemical slick from a passing ship that dumps toxic liquids into the ocean. Nothing to see here, move along... move along.

Several French submarines are apparently en route to the suspected crash site, where they hope to explore the depths of the ocean floor, looking for clues. While they might not find clues, I can tell you a few things they will find: Old decomposing Coca-Cola cans swaying with the current along the ocean floor, plastic bottle caps bobbing in the water, and ghost town dead zones where there used to be thriving marine ecosystems. This, of course, will be of no interest to them, because these investigators are out to determine what happened to 228 people, not to investigate a crash in marine biodiversity.

Yes, it's important to know what happened to flight 447. The world wants to know whether it was bombed, or shot down, or destroyed by lightning. But while we're looking around the oceans, didn't anybody happen to notice all the floating trash there? And why isn't the mainstream media wondering why our oceans are now so polluted that investigators can't sort out plane crash debris from all the other junk floating on the ocean?

The big story here, folks, is not the crash of flight 447. The real story is the presence of so much trash floating in the ocean that it confuses investigators. And if this pollution continues, future plane crashes may be utterly indistinguishable from all the garbage out there already.

I can see the future headlines already: "Air Passengers Saved by Emergency Landing on Island of Debris in the South Pacific."

[Steve_A]

Hi judykott,

Part of your post is inaccurate.

Although it is true that the oceans are dirty, we can understand how this happens, we need only to look in the streets and see people throw litter. Mindless morons. People like this are all over the world, even going up Mount Everest!

But getting back to the Air France disappearance. The only debris brought on board of a Brazilian Navy vessel was done so on Thursday, found 200km north of Fernando de Noronha and it is this debris, which was thought to be from the aircraft but confirmed not, which they are talking about.

The other debris (passenger seat, buoy and seven meter piece of debris) which was spotted on the Tuesday 620km northeast of Fernando de Noronha has still to be brought aboard for inspection. of course if this is found also not to be from the aeroplane, we can only come to two conclusions. The plane really disappeared and the state of the oceans is getting worse, sufficiently to lead the Brazilian Navy on a wild goose chase.

But with all said and done I think it was interesting that the reporter looked at the story from another angle.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by judykott

Search for Air France Flight 447 Reveals Astonishing Pollution of World's Oceans
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The most alarming piece of news this week emerged when investigators of the doomed Air France flight 447 announced they had found "floating debris" from the plane crash, but it turned out to be only floating trash in the ocean. This is, all by itself, a disturbing commentary on the pollution of the world's oceans: When investigators can't find a plane crash in the ocean because there's already too much trash floating on the surface, we have a problem with pollution.

It's as if they went out to find a plane crash, but ended up discovering that our oceans look like a train wreck. Had they peeked under the surface of the water, they might have found untreated dry cleaning chemicals from a cruise ship, raw feces from a military vessel and tiny bits of plastic that pose an extreme risk to marine life.

With this, air travel investigators learned an important lesson: Just because debris is floating in the ocean doesn't mean a plane crashed there. It could just mean humans are destroying the planet. While 228 passengers sadly died in a tragic air travel accident, we might all die if we don't stop polluting our fragile ecosystems with endless trash.

(If investigators followed the line of debris, of course, it would lead them straight to the nearest port where ocean liners and military ships would be found several thousand pounds lighter due to all the garbage and sewage they dumped in the ocean before anchoring. The U.S. military, in particular, treats the world's oceans like a giant toilet, dumping trash, sewage and dangerous chemicals directly into the waters.)

What's really crashing is much bigger than one plane
Getting back to flight 447, investigators first announced they had "without a doubt" found wreckage from the flight. And what, exactly, had they spotted? A wooden pallet!

Did they think flight 447 was a Wright Brothers airplane? Who spots an intact wooden pallet and concludes they're looking at the wreckage of a modern-day airplane? Did they really think an entire plane (made out of metal) was destroyed, but a fragile wooden pallet somehow emerged from the crash unscathed?

An oil slick was also spotted near the area where the plane went missing, and investigators initially thought that was from the downed Air France flight. But it turns out it was just another random petrochemical slick from a passing ship that dumps toxic liquids into the ocean. Nothing to see here, move along... move along.

Several French submarines are apparently en route to the suspected crash site, where they hope to explore the depths of the ocean floor, looking for clues. While they might not find clues, I can tell you a few things they will find: Old decomposing Coca-Cola cans swaying with the current along the ocean floor, plastic bottle caps bobbing in the water, and ghost town dead zones where there used to be thriving marine ecosystems. This, of course, will be of no interest to them, because these investigators are out to determine what happened to 228 people, not to investigate a crash in marine biodiversity.

Yes, it's important to know what happened to flight 447. The world wants to know whether it was bombed, or shot down, or destroyed by lightning. But while we're looking around the oceans, didn't anybody happen to notice all the floating trash there? And why isn't the mainstream media wondering why our oceans are now so polluted that investigators can't sort out plane crash debris from all the other junk floating on the ocean?

The big story here, folks, is not the crash of flight 447. The real story is the presence of so much trash floating in the ocean that it confuses investigators. And if this pollution continues, future plane crashes may be utterly indistinguishable from all the garbage out there already.

I can see the future headlines already: "Air Passengers Saved by Emergency Landing on Island of Debris in the South Pacific."

[mudra]

Bodies "found" from missing airplane:

Two bodies and debris have been found from the Air France plane which went missing over the Atlantic last Monday, the Brazilian air force has said.
The remains were taken from the water early on Saturday morning, said spokesman Jorge Amaral.
Experts on human remains are on their way to examine the find.
All 228 passengers and crew on board AF 447 are believed to have been killed when the plane disappeared during its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8087303.stm

Kindness
mudra

[mudra]

For French air accident investigators, trying to extract meaning from the shreds of information about the last minutes of Flight AF 447 must be excruciating.
They have neither the flight data recorder nor the cockpit voice recorder. Both are thousands of metres below the surface of the Atlantic.
Instead they have a series of messages sent out over a satellite network called ACARS.
The ACARS messages themselves have not been released but an unverified list has been leaked. The BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy.
...
What is clear is that the crew, who should have been able to see some of these warnings on their cockpit displays, would have been assailed by demands for action from the aircraft's systems.
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8086111.stm

Kindness
mudra

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Ian & Tango...found this in my inbox this morning...maybe the dead fish are starting to stink enough to make some heads turn...

I know what happened to the Air France Flight 447

by Dick Eastman

According to Air France CEO Pierre-Henry Gourgeon, the Air France AirBus flying from Rio to Paris transmitted "a succession of a dozen technical messages" indicated that "several electrical systems had broken down'' which caused a "totally unprecedented situation in the plane.''

Gourgeon is wrong. The events that resulted in the death of 128 people over the Atlantic were precedented. There have been several similar events.

Reuters has reported that AirBus is claiming that the Airbus A330 has a good safety record, with no fatal accidents on a commercial flight. This is a falsehood that Reuters did not bother to correct.

In Miami in 1999 pilot and co-pilot of an American Airlines Airbus A300 about to land suddenly lost control of the plane to an exogenous agency. The rudder moved several times on its own. "The rudder movements were extreme" said the NTSP.

On November 12, 2001 American Airlines flight 587, an Airbus A300, lost control to a remote agency resulting in the rudder suddenly swinging back and forth violently, beyond the normal range that can be effected from the cockpit. The flight data showed "unusual sideways movements that slammed passengers back and forth," repeated banging which caused tremendous strain of the vertical stabilizer until it broke off, despite the strengh of the lamination construction. The passengers were slamed back and forth prior to the crash in Queens, New York. But that was not all. After the rudder was gone the remote controller began playing with other equipment. With the rudder gone the rudder could still fly, however no the ailerons and elevators (the "flaps") began moving in fatal ways. At one point was made to turn 10 degrees in just one second, and 180 degree turn in 18 seconds. The plane banked left, even though data shows pilots were working controls to move in the opposite direction." The black box contained pilot and co-pilot and tower dialog on this but it was never released. (Marion Blakey, head of the NTSB, a Bush political appointee with no experience for th job, who was also heading NTSP a month before when the WTC was hit by two planes, the crash in Pennsylvania and the alleged crash of a jetliner at the Pentagon.) After these turns the remote controller put the plane into a nose dive and cut off the voice recorder, both the plane's regular power and batteries. The plane was brought to full throttle and then the flaps were brought down, causing the engine pods to rip off their brackets and keep going as the plane slowed down. The N.T.S.B. offered only two possible explanations, either "the pilot made the rudder move intentionally or by accident" or the plane was brought down by "butterfly effect" turbulence from a Japan Airlines plane that had taken off ahead of the AirBus.

Now perhaps we can begin to suspect that there was someone on that Air France Flight that the people who benefited from the remote-control crash of the 9-11 planes and the 11/12/01 plane did not like.

By the way, Dov Zakheim is the man I think is responsible for the 9-11 crashes and one more crash which occured on the early morning of October 31, 1999.

That Halloween morning EgyptAir 990, a Boeing 767 took off from JFK for Cairo, Egypt. The plane had aboard 22 top Egyptian military that had just received special training in the United States -- lured into this trap by the bait of the unusual sharing of military information. At about 2:00 a.m., from the vocie recorder, the Egyptian pilot excuses himself to go to the toilet. The pilot and co-pilot are Egyptian and they speak Arabic. But suddenly there is heard on the voice recording, in English, the words, "Control it." Then the plane deviates from course on its own while still on automatic pilot. The pilot responds to this event with an exclaimatory prayer: "Taw ak kalt ala Allah," roughly equivalent to "Heaven help us!" "May God protect us!" if not "Jesus Christ!" The co-pilot attempts to disengage autopilot, but the remote controller will not yield. The co-pilot is in a panic and again praying for help. The plane, still on auto-pilot goes into a nose dive. After 16 seconds of remote-controlled hijacking the pilot re-enters the cockpit and asks the co-pilot what is happening. Both work to pull up and as they are both trying the plane goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines. Then, again under remote control the right and left elevators move in opposite directions. Ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders, in Arabic, "shut engines." The co-pilot replies: "They're shut!" The last words heard are those of the pilot calling out, of course still in Arabic, "Pull! Pull!" Then, exactly as happened with Flight 587 over Queens, the voice recorders are remotely shut off -- before the crash event. The US NTSB reached the conclusion -- against all of this evidence -- that the co-pilot was somehow responsible.

Some passenger in Miami in 1999 needed to be fightened by a demonstration of power. Someone aboard Flight 587 was a problem for the criminal conspiracy now in control of the US and Israeli governments. And someone on the Air France flight was equally a threat or target of vengence for the same interests.

You will notice the lame excuses why the Air France black boxes cannnot be recovered.

9-11 was not the work of "Islamic Fundamentalists" who "hate our freedoms" and therefore hijacked four jetliners on September 11 and and crashbombed the WTC towers and the Pentagon. No one can argue the REAL evidence proving this. (They can and do of course argue, for example on Fox News, with people who have impossible theories about no planes at all hitting the WTC or absurd tales about energy beam weapons in orbit bringing down the twin towers and Building 7 -- but that is part of the pre-planned disinformation obstruction of justice psy-op the perpetrators are using.

I suspect the target of the crash was French and an opponent of the Sarkozy, the very close supporter of the agendas of both the Bush and Obama presidencies in international financial matters and middle east and war on terror policies.

The victims of this murder were from 32 countries. 61 were French, 58 were Brazilian and 26 were Germans. No Israelis were aboard or American Jews were aboard. Sarkozy's French Environment Minister, Jean-Louis Borloo, has declared officially that hijacking has been ruled out. How in the name of Allah could they possible have done that in the light of the facts I have relayed to you which are certainly known to them?

One more point: The international killers crashed the Air France plane in part because they were secure in the knowledge that the Sarkozy government, like the Bush government in 2001, would do all that was necessary to keep the truth from being told. The black boxes will never be produced -- I haven't been following the news for since the day of the crash, but I feel that is a safe prediction.

Please post this, read it aloud over the phone, put it up on your blog. It is up to them to embarrass and shame the French into investigating this act of mass-murder.

Death by airplane has been the preferred method of eliminating individuals without drawing suspicion to the specific background and connections of an "isolated victim." We can't let them continue to get away with it.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

[Unified Serenity]

This story just wreaks. Maybe it's now my nature to distrust disasters now, but it's amazing how there are all these catastrophic failures, no debris really, and now we have 2 bodies, poor souls. I do lift them up and their families. We have subs that can retrieve the "black" boxes so let them get around that. Oh, and watch them not release the data either.

It smells I tell ya!

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

This story just wreaks. Maybe it's now my nature to distrust disasters now, but it's amazing how there are all these catastrophic failures, no debris really, and now we have 2 bodies, poor souls. I do lift them up and their families. We have subs that can retrieve the "black" boxes so let them get around that. Oh, and watch them not release the data either.

It smells I tell ya!

totally agree. I don't know how valid this is, & I havent done any background research on the other incidents he mentioned, but ...it would not surprise me at all.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

totally agree. I don't know how valid this is, & I havent done any background research on the other incidents he mentioned, but ...it would not surprise me at all.

*
He is Right abt 587 the rudder was slammed full L & R; it was said by
witnesses before it went flying off... Tail wagging...

Time to get rid of the 'flight managment 'puters w/remote.....'

They take control VIA remote systems... The actual A/C controls become
useless... 187 by remote... Do they have " voice recordings of pilots...?"
I never liked 'fly by wire' was always concerned about this...
Just think, som cold hearted SOB sat @ a terminal and did this. Very Sad.


I'll keep my cool... [locked, loaded, cocked, Ready to Rock N' Roll]...
back to wearing the vest; I really hate wearing the damn thing...

So much for travel... So much for aviation... All, for the greed of a few.

Sadly, this feels all too TRUE. [looking down; shaking head]


Tango

[michaelg]

Originally Posted by Tango

*
He is Right abt 587 the rudder was slammed full L & R; it was said by
witnesses before it went flying off... Tail wagging...

Time to get rid of the 'flight managment 'puters w/remote.....'

They take control VIA remote systems... The actual A/C controls become
useless... 187 by remote... Do they have " voice recordings of pilots...?"
I never liked 'fly by wire' was always concerned about this...
Just think, som cold hearted SOB sat @ a terminal and did this. Very Sad.


I'll keep my cool... [locked, loaded, cocked, Ready to Rock N' Roll]...
back to wearing the vest; I really hate wearing the damn thing...

So much for travel... So much for aviation... All, for the greed of a few.

Sadly, this feels all too TRUE. [looking down; shaking head]


Tango

Very interesting, Tango.

But how do they get control via remote system ? I guess these A/C controls must be designed to have some backdoors hardware (chip)/software so that can be easily controlled remotely.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

\Air France Flight 447

did anyone notice

AF 447
1 6 4 4 7

1 6 4 = 4 7

11 = 11

or 22

[Illumination]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8085539.stm

These paragraphs struck me as very unusual. Maybe this is a common occurrence for jets taking off over oceans with storms, but I've never heard of this.

"Meteorologists say that the Air France Flight 447 had entered an unusual storm with 100mph (160km/h) updrafts that sucked water up from the ocean.
As the moisture reached the plane's high altitude it quickly froze in -40C temperatures. The updrafts would also have created dangerous turbulence, they say."

[Unified Serenity]

My BS meter is pegging the red zone. I think this is possibly a false flag meant to cause more fear for people traveling or who have loved ones traveling. It's also a point to note who was on that plane, anyone of scientific or intelligence importance?

I think we were meant to believe the debris was from Air France and the Brazilian military blew that cover story. I've done some R/S on this topic and though R/S is questionable, it does indicate there is a cover-up. Plus the retired NTSB guy with the funky snake eyes is a good indicator that this was not just a "Plane crash". My father flew 747 and L1011 and it makes no sense for them to have flown into that storm.

I will continue to watch and see. Maybe I will find some audio of the subs being sent and R/S that. I used to speak French rather well, so maybe I can follow it if the R/S turns out to be French.

*NOTE* It would be great if we had 1 thread on the Air France crash.

[Swanny]

I bet somebody out there knows where the plane is

[waitinginthewings]

Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean."..................

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Interna...7762916&page=1

Ah....the plot thickens

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean."..................

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Interna...7762916&page=1

Ah....the plot thickens

sits in the back of the news conference, *coughbull****coughcough*

[Tango]

To the agents working the PC & PA Sites..... And, this thread....

How many hours of flight; DO YOU HAVE as PIC...

Have You flown the route that You are spinning yor yarn...?

Such a weapon shows No Light or shaft of light... No Fire...

'The Target will turn to dust...' So, you people are informed...

A " Black Box " is really Brite, Brite Orange, further has a beacon
sending a signal which would last a long time... FYI, I waited

to post this info. To see how far the B.S. would go...

NTSB people already know this... Aviators know this...

40,000 Ft., that's over storm tops... Other Aircraft reports

would be nice, if truthful... Becareful what you listen to...




Trooly,


Tango

[THE eXchanger]

It was a "remote controlled" death....


Interesting article attached from the excellent fourwinds10 website, which suggests, as in the past, that the airbus was "remotely controlled" to crash, as has happened in the past, as the airbus is perfect for remote control as it is fully computer controlled. Only question is, who did they want dead so much that they killed 227 others? I guess its best to stick to Boeing aircraft.....

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1244235892

you cover your tracks by directing the craft into the "anvil" of the ITCZ (the inter tropical convergence zone - glad you don't fly through that zone!), so everyone thinks it broke up through turbulence rather than the "remote controller", then crash the plane in a way whereby the black box can never be recovered...luckily the passengers would have likely had a peaceful death because break up would have caused immediate loss of consciousness and deep coma....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6446268.ece

[DiVineEnvy]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

It was a "remote controlled" death....

Field McConnell and David Hawkins over at Hawks CAFE concur, and they link AF447 to the same crew that allegedly perpetrated 9/11! Here is an excerpt from their post, dated 3 Jun 09 to Jack Stockwell, host of the Jack Stockwell radio program:

Hawks CAFE believes that Airbus partners hired Sidley Austin lawyers in the `80s to build a fly-by-wire murder-for-hire network allegedly operated under the AeroSat label on 9/11 by David Emerson on behalf of his client investors in the CAI-Carlyle Canada hedge fund...

"Ok, we all know Airbus aircraft are fly by wire .. since every control input the pilot makes is run through computers, what is the chance that someone could put a virus or viruses into the flight control programs and cause a crash. What if a terrorist deep in Airbuses manufacturing business put a virus in the program .. Is this possible?" .. ".. ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive [from AF447] at 02:10Z indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system had changed to alternate law [Emerson's Aerosat Airborne Internet?]" ".. each aircraft becomes node in a peer-to-peer network analogous to the terrestrial Internet .. AeroSat produces Ku-band antenna .. certified and in use on Boeing, Airbus, Gulfstream, Bombardier, Dassault and Cessna aircraft" .. "AeroSat .. $14 million in new funding, from CAI Managers & Co. and AeroEquity, and a new investor, Boston-based PAR Capital Management. The money will go into expanding AeroSat's product line and production capacity." "CAI Capital Management has hired David Emerson, who was appointed Canadian minister of foreign affairs in May and retired in September, as a senior advisor .. He worked as president and chief executive of the Vancouver International Airport Authority from 1992 to 1997 .. The firm's investors include limited partners from Canada and the US, including some of Canada's biggest pension funds. The firm, established in 1989, focuses on buyouts, restructurings and acquisitions [allegedly coordinated by Sidley Austin]"

Our Abel Danger investigators have evidence to suggest that Air France Flight 447 Airbus 330-203 was destroyed on May 31st by an Airborne Internet, allegedly developed in a joint venture by Sidley lawyers, David Emerson, former president of Vancouver International Airport Authority, Kristine Marcy former senior counsel of the U.S. Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System, and Jane Garvey, the former head of the FAA and the former director of Boston's Logan International Airport, an `al-Qaeda' mustering station for the 9/11 attack...

Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawkscafe/message/909

The Investigators: http://hawkscafe.com/

[Hypnotize]

there seems to be a LOT of plane crashes lately.