Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I still don't understand why people wish to downplay the jewish holocaust.

I'd expect that behavior out of the Iranian President or a neo-nazi but not people on Avalon.

Why is it that it is a "Jewish" holocaust? If I may ask, how do you define a Jew? Are you referring to a specific racial group or a group of people who share a set of beliefs or something else?

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by sjkted

Why is it that it is a "Jewish" holocaust? If I may ask, how do you define a Jew? Are you referring to a specific racial group or a group of people who share a set of beliefs or something else?

The majority of people killed were jews (or according to some people, they were either zionists or non-zionists).

I don't wish to debate the legitimacy of something that angers me to even think about and for that, I must bow out.

[THE eXchanger]

i do NOT ever remember, even studying it, in canada ???

i'll have to ask some of my friends
~ i kind of dreamed my way through high school

but, i do NOT even recall, anything really being taught about it,
in the early 70's

[landstander]

i have no idea if anyone has heard of anything like this but i thought it would be interesting to throw in on the subject. would love to hear if anyone else has heard something similar. i have a brother-in-law who believes he has short glimpses into his past life where he was a nazi soldier in germany. he says that he gains from these "lost memories" that the Germans discovered reptilians disguised as humans infiltrating the powers in order to gain control. they realized that the reptilians were all jewish. So basically the Germans were the good guys in a fight to save the earth taking drastic action against a race sacrificing the non-rep jews for the "greater good".
I'm not saying I believe this at all. it's pretty outrageous, but it is interesting to tie that into the secret german research with 'ufo's, the supposed German moon base, the book "Synagogue of Satan"...

I really can't imagine the holocaust being a hoax but just like most of history we've been taught, it is highly distorted and hides important truths.

This remind me of the link in TruthWillSetUFree's thread about Rothschild bloodline.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...-reading-this/

loved it. thanks.

and

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com..._bloodline.htm

long reads but very worth it for the time

[THE eXchanger]

Mabye the title of the thread should be changed to
rothchild gang

[THE eXchanger]

Hehehe - a wild wizard moderator - must of changed it

[THE eXchanger]

landstander ~ GR8 POST

I PUT ONE OF THE LINKS TO THE TOP

MAYBE, if they see that, it will help gather interest here

i think this is one straw that might break a camels back

[THE eXchanger]

The Secret History of Our Time: The Pope and Satan, War and the Anti-Christ, Revelations and the Last Days

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...the-last-days/

[Kundaflower]

Hey all,

True or not, what is intresting that if one doubts official story of 6milj. jews
killed you get immediately stamp in your head that says antisemitist.

It has ruin jobs for many people when they doubt about it.
Similar dilemma is with that one famous plant which people like to smoke.

No public person can doubt offcial story without ruining his life.
That tell us how bad the situation is.
Official story have became bigger than anything.

A question ? Do you think Israel would exisit if "only" 1milj. jews were killed,
or does amount have anything to do with creation of Israel ?

Love and free speech
K

[Reader]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by Reader

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

I read the story and they printed it out just the way they wanted to do so.


I dont buy the story and I am pretty sure many will agree. This is the same story that has been given through out the centuries. They want us to buy into this and although many will, I dont think we all will

I see the same story and ending as in all other wars and of course it is not the ones telling it that are doing this. NO it is TPTB's running these programs and killings

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by Kundaflower

Hey all,

True or not, what is intresting that if one doubts official story of 6milj. jews
killed you get immediately stamp in your head that says antisemitist.

It has ruin jobs for many people when they doubt about it.
Similar dilemma is with that one famous plant which people like to smoke.

No public person can doubt offcial story without ruining his life.
That tell us how bad the situation is.
Official story have became bigger than anything.

A question ? Do you think Israel would exisit if "only" 1milj. jews were killed,
or does amount have anything to do with creation of Israel ?

Love and free speech
K

Reminds you of the talking of aliens, doesnt it ? We are all insane and I will tell you this............I'm happily insane. I heard that more jews came forward at the end of the war to collect their due process than ever lived in Germany. That has always made me wonder, where did they all come from if they were killed. I'm not putting down Jews only TPTB's. They played both sides of their war same as the rest. They put the idea in our heads that it was all for the hatred of the jews. If that is so, why did so many other ethenic groups die along with them ? They had one motive in mind same as today..............just elliminate the people so we can get them back under our control. Too many are waking up.

People think this all began in 1941 and they are sadly mistaken. WE must know the true story to avoid it to continue happening. Its time to stop them in their tracks.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

The Secret History of Our Time: The Pope and Satan, War and the Anti-Christ, Revelations and the Last Days

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...the-last-days/

This talks about how we are lured in with great promises, then led down the garden path to our own demise. We fall for this every time (well, nearly every time). Here is how it works:

1. They hoard an item that we have become accustomed to but nobody knows they have it.
2. The item becomes scarce to the population and we look to them to get some for us.
3. The item magically appears out of no where. However if you want some you will have give something up. They will tell you what that is. It is always something precious but just a small amount (like our time on the earth in the form of tax). At the same time they promise us the item will remain cheap and plentiful. Later we grow to depend on the item (addiction) and the payment becomes quite burdensome. At the same time the item mysteriously becomes more and more scarce.
4. Finally we turn to them in desperation to get some for us and the cycle continues.

[housemouse2]

6 million jews. Ever wonder where that number came from? The Nazi did keep records of the inmates but 6 million seems a bit far fetched even to me.

Here is an interesting read: http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/holocaust.htm

The holocaust is an interesting concept and is probably not the actual truth. I find most of what is put forth as "fact" in history books is in fact distorted tales.

Prior to ww2, Hitler had a working relationship with the founding families of what became Israel. Matter of fact he set up training camps in Germany for the Jewish settlers to learn how to survive in Palestine.

I do believe Hitler was also infected with syphilis and was actually losing his mind, in similar fashion to Al Capone. Also, Hitler was drugged up pretty good...a daily injection of a homemade serum his personal doctor made.

I doubt the authenticy of Hitler's book. It was said the manuscript was written by a cell mate of Hitler's during ww1. That the manuscript was dictated and not actually written by Hitler...who was an avid art student and well educated person. Why have a corporal dictate the manuscript of a racist book while sitting in prison during ww1 and then later publish the book? Makes no real sense.

Next the Jewish community is actually splintering. Zionism and the Torah Jews are very much at odds over the very state of Israel.

A simple fact is there would be no state of Israel today if there was no holocaust. The propaganda spewed after ww2 about Jews being made into lampshades and soaps made it impossible for anyone to stand against the drive to give the Jewish people a hunk of Palestine.

And what is happening world wide today...Germany and other countries making it illegal to even post a doubt about the official story of the holocaust makes me believe they are hiding something.

For if the holocaust could stand up to real scrutiny then there would be no need to outlaw "holocaust denial." If I lived in germany I could go to jail for this post. I'm sure some people in the USA would like me to go to jail for this post as well.

Hollywood has done an excellent job at manifesting the holocaust into an undeniable "fact" which has portrayed all of Hitler and his SS as evil to the core. When in fact Hitler even got Time magazine man of the year in 1938, had been the driving force behind the Volkswagen, public works and helped establish the settlers of Israel.

The Germans had lost ww1, entered a great depression and was ready for "change." They were desperate to reclaim themselves as a "master race" in the eyes of the world. The term Nazi is slang for National party.

The truth may never be known about the holocaust but one things does strike me as very strange. The biggest holocaust in history happened right here in the USA. Matter fact it even gave Hitler the idea for the camps. The Native Americans were literally wiped out. Rounded up, placed onto "reservations." Untold millions died as the result of a holocaust.

Yet, the Indians have to fight for the right to sell tax free cigarettes on reservations while the Jews literally own Hollywood, the US government and have even received compensation from the holocaust from governments world wide.

The jewish holocaust cannot be questioned...for if you do you will be accused of racism. They have untold power, untold influence and weapon (the holocaust) which can be used against anyone, anywhere and at anytime.

How does a state no bigger than New Jersey get the 3rd most powerful military in the world? How come Israel doesn't need to allow nuclear inspectors into their state? Why do we send billions of dollars to a foreign state while our own people lose thier homes, starve and cannot afford health care?

The holocaust has made it impossible for anyone to question a state called Israel's motives, ambitions and forbids the disclosure of decades of shady deals.

What I fear is that eventually the holocaust will no longer protect American Jews from Israel's crimes. That there will be another holocaust akin to the KKK movement and this one will be in America.

I have a number of Jewish friends and because of Israel and Hollywood, I now fear for their safety.

The holocaust does need to be looked at with a fresh pair of eyes. We need to know the truth as what happened, by whom and why. We also need to expose the holocaust in Gaza and the west bank...and the fact that the 1967 borders of Israel are illegal under international law. Therefor Israel is the occupiers. Not the other way around.

If we fail to reign in Israel then eventually it will be the Arabs who will be the new "Jew" and the new holocaust. They will gain the same power the Jews have gained. They will be looked upon as a victim and not an aggressor in the future. The racism pendulum will swing the other way and the new power elite will be Arab. Mark my words.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by landstander

i have no idea if anyone has heard of anything like this but i thought it would be interesting to throw in on the subject. would love to hear if anyone else has heard something similar. i have a brother-in-law who believes he has short glimpses into his past life where he was a nazi soldier in germany. he says that he gains from these "lost memories" that the Germans discovered reptilians disguised as humans infiltrating the powers in order to gain control. they realized that the reptilians were all jewish. So basically the Germans were the good guys in a fight to save the earth taking drastic action against a race sacrificing the non-rep jews for the "greater good".
I'm not saying I believe this at all. it's pretty outrageous, but it is interesting to tie that into the secret german research with 'ufo's, the supposed German moon base, the book "Synagogue of Satan"...

I really can't imagine the holocaust being a hoax but just like most of history we've been taught, it is highly distorted and hides important truths.

This remind me of the link in TruthWillSetUFree's thread about Rothschild bloodline.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...-reading-this/

loved it. thanks.

and

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com..._bloodline.htm

long reads but very worth it for the time

Very interesting landstander! Ive often wondered that if Hitler has been demonized by history, could that mean that the oppisite is actually true.

This thread has so many good posts on it. I wish I could respond to them all!

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by landstander

i have no idea if anyone has heard of anything like this but i thought it would be interesting to throw in on the subject. would love to hear if anyone else has heard something similar. i have a brother-in-law who believes he has short glimpses into his past life where he was a nazi soldier in germany. he says that he gains from these "lost memories" that the Germans discovered reptilians disguised as humans infiltrating the powers in order to gain control. they realized that the reptilians were all jewish. So basically the Germans were the good guys in a fight to save the earth taking drastic action against a race sacrificing the non-rep jews for the "greater good".
I'm not saying I believe this at all. it's pretty outrageous, but it is interesting to tie that into the secret german research with 'ufo's, the supposed German moon base, the book "Synagogue of Satan"...

Welcome landstander!

This is fascinating. Obviously it is not hard evidence...but simply one more piece of the puzzle. Is the Zionist side in cooperation with the Reptilians (if you can't beat 'em...join 'em)? Is the Teutonic Zionist side at war with the Reptilians (better dead than rep)? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. But this could be all about differing philosophies regarding the Reptilian Problem (rather than the Jewish Problem). This is very creepy territory...and I feel very uncomfortable thinking about it. In attempting to understand this subject...one could get negatively labelled rather quickly. I'm not on anyone's side...I'm just curious.

I have speculated that the Luciferian Rebellion in Heaven was against a Reptilian/Human Theocracy rather than a rebellion against the Founders/Ancients/Creator God of the Universe...and that those who followed Lucifer are the Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran (with Gizeh Intelligence and the Nazi phenomenon at it's core). This theory would fit with what you have related.

My proposed solution is for all major factions (Zionist, Teutonic Zionist, Reptilian) to accept the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and stop fighting. Mutually beneficial and peaceful interaction would be the goal. But I get the picture that the Reps are pretty hard-core and unrepentant...and don't think much of negotiating. They just do whatever the hell they want to...and no one is powerful enough to destroy them. They might have to decide...without pressure or force...that Namaste Constitutional Resposible Freedom would be in their long-term best interest. I think that it would be...but it's not up to me. How 'bout it Lord Draco?

[ChristinCP]

I definitely don't think the Reptilians were Jews. If anything, the Nazi's were being controlled by Reptoid/Anunnaki factions - and this is probably how they got so much inside, esoteric and technological knowledge. Thoth via Drunvalo Melchizedek says that the Jews/Hebrew race were an ET group unlike any other, and not related to any other - and that no one is sure really where they came from, but that their mission and path is very special.

The holocaust was terrible and never should have happened, and it has negative Reptilian fingerprints all over it, from the Nazi/Nordic (anunnaki/Reptilian) side. George Kavassilas talks about how the Anunnaki have evolved out of their Reptoid forms into the very beautiful Nordic forms - hence the blond hair/blue eye craze of the Nazis. These are some NASTY beings. I'm sure some are okay, but they are not here to be our friends; and in no way, shape, or form was the holocaust anything but discusting and unforgivable. The individuals involved in it will suffer at their own consciences in the next world.

[taomation]

This is a very interesting set of videos. I think that the most interesting part is that they are BANNED on Youtube. So much for free speech and debate. Sounds like Al Gore on the climate change hoax.

And then when David Cole, (a Jew himself) points out some very interesting anomolies at Aushwitz the Anti Defimation League starts making death threats against him to the point where he retracts his statements sounding like he is at the barrel of gun.

I think that is safe to say that we should question everything we have been taught. Because where there is any agenda there is probably a lie or a least the potential for one.

I have always throught that is was kind of strange that there is very little talk about Stalin who was said to have killed ten times the amount of people that were reportedly killed Nazi Germany.

Thank you Exchanger. This is a very touchy subject... Peace....

[no caste]

One thing - no, 2 things that bother me - no, 3 things.

1. Possible fiddling with the numbers (4.4 million?).
2. Neglecting the other numbers.
3. Something I read about Elie Wiesel.* Don't know if it's true.

Haven't read the whole thread yet, Susan. Don't like to wade in. I have waded enough politically - next thing y'know poof I'm a Nazibotski!
________________________________________________

* Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor
Translated from the Hungarian - March 4, 2009
http://www.henrymakow.com/translated...hungarian.html

[wynderer]

Hi All -- i haven't seen anything yet on this thread or anywhere else that convinces me the Holocaust was a 'hoax' -- there are many US soldiers who helped to liberate the camps who can tell you they were real -- & i have known Jews who lost nearly all their families in the camps

there may be some political angle to the denial movement -- i sometimes wonder if part of the denial movement is because most humans do their best to avoid the truth of the fact that evil things are being done, right here & now, under their noses & sometimes in plain sight

also -- a good way to kind of pre-deny the FEMA camps

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[mntruthseeker]

eXchanger............. IT WAS NOT 6 MILLION JEWS...............they were Germans, The expulsions (today called "ethnic cleansing"). GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

I think that you are 100 per cent correct on what you are saying and even though this is such a heated issue in this thread it irritates me so much to see people shut their eyes to the truth and continue to believe all the BS that our media/news cast has told us

Here is an article I came across today and at the bottom there are pictures and a list of other books written about this.

In my heart I try to imagine how people strongly denied these stories back during this time frame and even now today when they only have to open their eyes and see that it has never really stopped.

What happened in other Countries and even now in Iraq, Afghanistan, India, China etc........................what are they thinking ?


It truly does hurt to know the truth.........but its time that some people put aside their sun glasses and see the FACTS because this is exactly what they are trying to do in the USA today.

http://www.rense.com/general88/after.htm

[wynderer]

whatever the statistics were, a lot of people -- not just the Jews, but way more of them than anyone else -- died in terrible pain & suffering in those camps -- & those who did this are alive & well in my own country especially

& knowing/seeing how good the nwo is at using not just symbols, but words/language itself to manipulate minds -- i just wonder about the phrase 'holocaust denial' getting so much play recently -- w/the Big Daddy of all Holocausts in the works right now

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[mntruthseeker]

alot of them starved to death (IMO why so many were so very thin) Veneral Deseases from being raped from all the soldiers after the war

It was said that is when so many died. The story I put out there says more so much and yet he writes he elliminated the worse !

I guess what bothers me the most is when and how they died. The horrific crimes against humanity.

Genocide to make their so called perfect race

[wynderer]

i'm 62 yrs old & was in Junior High when A Eichmann was caught & brought to trial -- there were many Jewish kids in my classes -- there were also a number of first-person accounts written in the '50s by survivors of various camps in our school library which i read -- one survivor wrote that it was not an absence of the Light in the camps, it was the presence of evil

to me it does not matter the exact number of the millions who died in the camps or on the forced marches, or how they died, other than that some deaths were more horrible than others --especially how the babies died -- even one human being forced to die that way is wrong -- &, this being Christmas Day, may i remind those souls still hanging around who were involved in perpetrating those cruelties, that Jesus had some rough things to say re the future of those who hurt the children, the little ones

& may i apologize to all those of the Jewish faith for what has been done to your people over the centuries in the Name of Jesus

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[mntruthseeker]

I totally agree with you that no human being should be made to suffer this way.

Its never been over. I know many families also that have been directly effected by genocide that is happening today.

People talk about the Holocaust as if it is a thing of the past and it was only Jews. That gets under my skin because it is not the truth. It is still happening and no matter who they are it isn't right. DIVISION they created it and they are now using it to fix our world. Who wants it ?

To some it may seem "not important" that the truth be told but to me it is very very important. To accept it as it was written is accepting anything they do and tell us. The it continues

The saying goes "the truth will set you free" We all know they write HIS-story.........same as they re-wrote the Bible. BS Its all their teachings and I refuse to go around believing any more of their lies.

So we go about our lives believing that those damn germans killed those poor jews ? Naw, dont think so. Put blame where blame lies..........the Zionist, Russians, Americans, British and the Zeta-Reptilians killed the human beings and WWII was not the first time,that has been proven

I feel that to say - it doesnt matter, is wrong as wrong can be. It does matter because its happening still. This holocaust is nothing more than their decision of who is to live or not. Just like their new wonderful health care bill. It was just the kick off of this NWO they are.