The Time Has Come...

[SuperManny]

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

Again, as far as the cause i am onboard with the entire project, except the subscription method. I wish i could find a way to get them a cosistant source of money so the forum stays free to all reguardless of stature.
Why? Because it screams seperation. It is very simple, if i stay i am agreeing to seperation between my family and i will not do that under any circumstances.

I kinda feel the same way.
I have not voiced my opinion about the direction this forum is heading because it seems like a somewhat denser energy that I don't really want to contribute to. And there seems to be no shortage of opinions here.

I'll just touch on it briefly, because I agree with your view that it 'screams separation'. I'm not upset by it in any way, it just seems very divisive. I don't post much (I read a lot) so it won't really even affect me much.

[RANT] What seems so wrong to me is
a.) It seems to me as if they expect this project to fund their other project. This is not a good business model; it fails almost every time.
b.) I'm also a tiny bit bothered by the $60,000 figure that keeps popping up. Sorry, but I don't see it happening.
c.) People have even offered to pay 100% of the cost of this forum so it would be free for others, only to be flatly told that's nowhere near enough.[/RANT]

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

Remember this is one forum of many.

Indeed! there are several other good ones. May I suggest a couple; DivineCosmos.com and AstroVera.com I would hate to see information not being made publicly available because of.....

But if I don't see you around again, let me say a big THANK YOU for your contribution here. I admit I didn't quite get the the magnetic pyramid concept, but I was most intrigued by your posts.

Even tho I'm American, I was not born and raised in "the system" and in you I recognize a brother who is also not a part of the system. It really gives you a completely different view does it not?

May the Light of Divine Intelligence be with you always...
Namaste

[Squeptikal]

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

Squeptikal,
I am assumeing that you read this whole thread and other posts i've made, seeing is how i only have 22, before you asked these questions. Well to aswer a & b for you:

a.) Again, as far as the cause i am onboard with the entire project, except the subscription method. I wish i could find a way to get them a cosistant source of money so the forum stays free to all reguardless of stature.
Why? Because it screams seperation. It is very simple, if i stay i am agreeing to seperation between my family and i will not do that under any circumstances. Remember this is one forum of many.
I will not stay if everyone is not allowed plain and simple.
How it's helping the cause, is it is sending a message to the powers that be and my brothers and sisters that you must stand strong reguardless of the circumstances. I will not adhere to the systems hold on humanity.

b.) I hope you are not stateing that i'm saying this to get a "free ride" from someone here, are you?
Carol has gratiously offered to pay my subscription of her own free will but i have declied for the above reason. I'm not pulling out, i just happened to join a couple of weeks before the forum went subscription thats all.
In case you haven't read my posts i live my life from town to town on the streets and off the grid. it's the principal of the matter. If i had a million dollors i would gladly give it to help Bill & Kerry to help their cause and to keep the forum free for knowledge but that is not the issue.

I have offered a few different things to them both but i have not recieved any reply in any way shape of form. But i don't take it personal, i dont start thinking that the view me as worthless or anything of the sort.
They are busy with their lives and mission.
It is this way of understanding that helps the cause. Do you see?
Understand others point of view, what trials they maybe faceing.

My sole purpose to to help the cause anyway possable.
But i will not go back on my word or my beliefs.

Peace, Love & Light

Ok, crystal clear. The old saying about death & taxes I used to think was moronic, right after I used the moniker myself. Now I see it as being a tool and nothing else.

I live on the grid, and I'd love to get off of it, but I can't get off right now. I have monsterous bills to pay and a personal love of what I'm building here as a home for me and my dependents.

I live a dual life; one in which I explore the boundaries of existence, and one in which I have to pretend that I'm a good Conservative who is worthy of the trust I need to express in order to do my on-grid business.

I very much appreciate that Bill & Kerry get these folks on tape and in doing so, have become a trusted & valuable resource for many of us. It is maddening to see our sweet little group being torn apart in this way.

I Love You Too, BTW.

Gregor,

Hey, no worries about the rant. I asked for it. But at the same time, there's a kind of language I have a hard time with: ignorant him, ignorant her, stupid this & that.

My point is everyone has their own pace, and you don't know why. I'm not convinced you care. You're not asking anyway. Maybe I'm taking this up with you for a very stupid reason, like hashing out a personal work issue - where a certain rudeness amongst a few 'young' people is getting to me. Normally, I wouldn't say anything like that and have never considered it. But it's coming to mind lately. I hear them on the phone and I want to puke, the way they put down older ('stupid') people.

Maybe 'slow' people are irrelevant, just holding change back, working too... slowly, learning too... slowly. Me, I'm the kind to make sure the slow and the kids are on the boat. It's more important than me. Their pace is right. All paces are right. Furthermore, it's just wrong to 'shut up' any one untold story. So, usually I fall back with them and hang out - it's been great. Human. And where's the direction we're all going anyway?

The ball in play is deception, not the deceived. That's why the forum is great, as is. Share information. A paid forum thing, even at one dollar, is a principle thing for me too. I hate clubs. And the boat's not full. It could be a million dollars for the barrier it represents.

As for Scott here, peace, brother. I'm sticking it out with Nature. It's what I know, what gives me life, made my children, you, All, it's JOY - and I'm going down with this ship - if it does. I can't think of a better ship right now.

Yet, with no undoing, is there another thing to be done, like light up the matrix with compassion, lapis lazuli, quartz, singing, rosemary, salve, anything? Can it be affected. Should it be. Why can't your burden be lightened? Peace.

[slywinkl]

guess i haf to reply here then.

ok, to experience the deepest love you have to haf relese the greatest anger you haf.

to feel the greatest happyness you have to haf felt the deepest sadness.

i love all my emotions, good or bad as u say, but for there is no good or bad, they are all nessesary to experience this "life"

as i child i did not know what happyness was, i could not explain it until the day i had my cat ripped away from me while i see this person run over him with his car only to continue to drive while i lay in the grass weeping.

from that singular point i understood both sadness and happyness

i cherish my feelings, and each time i feel them come, be it anger, be it passion, be it love, be it anything, i focus it as hard as my mind can to get the purest of purest out of it.
to fully understand what it means to be a HU-Man.

you all haf your judgements, witch is fine, and the way it should be in a world like this.

but my freedom to do what i do is mine. so never tell me what i should or should not do please.

**--My uncle said to me when i was 10, we were working on the farm.*boy you only have to do one single thing in this life, and that is to die*--**

[Humble Janitor]

I feel that people are making too much of a big deal out of the subscription issue and at the same time, begging for attention by creating "goodbye" threads.

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post. I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

[Dean Plejaren]

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go.

It isn't like that. That is very hurtful to some of us. Supporters are very much ready to contribute but it's a matter of what is best. Some think that subscription is not a good move as there is hardly no forums that charge for people to post. However the PC work remains free when it is the main product that people can decide with their dollar what is the correct interview. Any forum should be free to have an opinion and the rest we support by purchasing information that they gather for us. A forum is not expensive compared to the PC work.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I feel that people are making too much of a big deal out of the subscription issue and at the same time, begging for attention by creating "goodbye" threads.

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post. I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

Principal Janitor. It's about principal, and it's the most fundamental thing we have at the base of who we are. I'm sorry that you can not see through the veil. Be well.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Principal Janitor. It's about principal, and it's the most fundamental thing we have at the base of who we are. I'm sorry that you can not see through the veil. Be well.

I agree I said something very similar on the 'pay to post' thread see below***

I'm not leaving but if all the good posters leave there won't actually be a reason to stay.... and ultimately that will not help Camelot either as if money is tight it will not allow that to continue...

Below I mean 'most people' with the means to pay and within the system.

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I agree 110% and have donated to PCamelot today $25 for the 2-3 months I've used Camelot. I have found the information invaluable but I'm not convinced people will stick around TBH for a forum which to quote Camelot's own words in their updated post today states...

Project Avalon costs almost nothing to host....

but being aware that...

The problem we're addressing is how best to fund Project Camelot... and ...with the running costs of the entire Camelot enterprise, which continues to expand in scope and potential

I would happily pay for Camelot for up to the minute information... I'm sure most people would who could or wait for a month or so for FREE ARCHIVAL INTERVIEWS as per CMN. Donations could still be possible also...

My view is make the thing that costs the money pay for itself and use the forum to promote latest articles and interviews etc recently posted on PC to get people to WANT to see it early...

I'm sure you could get advertising from ethical companies selling water filters, water energisers, suppliments, supplies, bullion dealers, you name it all the stuff we discuss on here... Even Adverts of none disclosed nature... Pizzahut is below CMN right now for "20% off your first online pizza!"

Using the Mayan consciousness level Ian Lungold discussions... Think of what is ethical and it will work. Getting us to pay for something which 'costs almost nothing' in my mind is not ethical so unfortunately I can't see it working long term...

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ps this is at the bottom of CMN
The combination of subscriptions and donations allows us to keep this site free to those who cannot afford it and free from corporate censorship. We do not have any other means of support and have always given free access to our content since our launch in 2005. Please help us sustain this site with your subscription or donation.

They've been doing it since 2005 and are surviving...

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Principal Janitor. It's about principal, and it's the most fundamental thing we have at the base of who we are. I'm sorry that you can not see through the veil. Be well.

I can certainly understand this. i am simply disappointed that some people do not wish to continue here and I agree that there should be other avenues for collecting income to support the overall mission.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I can certainly understand this. i am simply disappointed that some people do not wish to continue here and I agree that there should be other avenues for collecting income to support the overall mission.

Well, if you can understand this, then also understand that the majority of people it is not about the low sum of money and helping out Project Camelot. We all want to help out Project Camelot. It's about not having our names all tallied perfectly in line with our credit card numbers (this one doesn't really apply to me, or most of us for that matter, as I bet they know exactly who I am and where I live already), and the most important notion being the information not being free for all those to share and participate. Even if someone cannot participate, then they cannot share new information, which doesn't matter if anyone can read the forums as that information won't be there, especially if the major contributors on the forum on gone and I think Flying Pyramid is by far one of the ones at the top (which is amazing to think since he has been around so shortly).

And take in account also with what norman said too as I absolutely agree and would do the same, hand them the only two dollars (liberty dollars to be precise haha) I had right now on the spot:

Originally Posted by norman

I'm not against paying a little for Camelot interviews. If Kerry or Bill were standing in front of me now I'd give them some cash but I'm not going to set up a PayPal account and I'm not going to send cash to America.

I just think you should rephrase your approach to how you present your argument then if you understand the notion of our principals.

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post.

Harsh words duing a time of massive layoffs and record unemployment.

[Myra]

Originally Posted by hueyii

Harsh words duing a time of massive layoffs and record unemployment.

I certainly agree.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I feel that people are making too much of a big deal out of the subscription issue and at the same time, begging for attention by creating "goodbye" threads.

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post. I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

You say it with such compassion and grace ... in case you didn`t realize it WE are all in this together and separation is or at least shouldn`t be an option because it weakens our position if we go with the paid subscription method this to separates us other alternatives have been put forth but no one has yet to discuss going any other route other than sub`s ... there is an old saying that people who live in glass houses should should not throw stones .

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

You say it with such compassion and grace ... in case you didn`t realize it WE are all in this together and separation is or at least shouldn`t be an option because it weakens our position if we go with the paid subscription method this to separates us other alternatives have been put forth but no one has yet to discuss going any other route other than sub`s ... there is an old saying that people who live in glass houses should should not throw stones .

I want to add a point to your statement Northern Boy, and I know Flying Pyramid will support my statement, over my hijacking of this thread:

Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy

Yes by instituting a subscription based forum to help pay for our work--we are imposing certain limits.. ($1 a month -- I mean get real..) but they are reasonable and the barrier to ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW. I want to KEEP IT THAT WAY.

I want to specifically point out here comment in parentheses. This is the barrier right here in which we are talking about, this great holy divide in ideologies, the Great Wall of Intangible Thought. This is where one has to define reality, where I am talking about "stepping outside the system." I am getting real, more real than you (some of you at least) can possibly imagine. Is reality this monetary system to support our truth seeking? Do we need to give support to another in the form of a greenback to help us all become enlightened and more awakened.

Or can you go down to your homeless shelter for a free meal and sit down with a seventy year old man who has been sober for most of his life but has chosen the path of the least materialistic and wishes to only share beauty with the world with his words and art? There you find truth.

If you want to know what the hell is going on with this world, this reality, with your very own mind, then god damnit go out into the world and engage it first hand. Smile at a stranger. Make amends with broken relationships. Bring beauty into the chaotic.

This ideology is so powerful that in its entirety it can not be portrayed with the human language or taught by the tongue of the most wise of men. You need to discover it for yourself.

Just yesterday I shouted out to this realm of free thinkers to not forget that this is all an illusion and I am cast down by "What are you talking about, of course this is completely real!" It is real, every single experience in the entirety of existence is real. However, the illusion stands before you every second in which you do not fully grasp the beauty of what is real.

There's this voice inside you that has been screaming all your life, and it's getting louder by the moment. It's full of passion, curiosity, love, and endless waves of truth. Stop suppressing it and just let its song feel every inch of your soul, and that beauty will be standing right before you as it has always for eternity.

So I ask you, what is real?

[oldpaganfreak]

wow, this all pretty passionate stuff. i have heard disparaging remarks here that illustrate agist prejudice and simple narrow-mindedness, on the part of some posters.
i think this forum has lost its way and perhaps should close, or maybe, morph into something else.
i have stated that i will not continue to subscribe to the forum if payment is involved. i am a pensioner and have not the means to pay and choose not to make financial transactions over the net. i believe that changing to a paid subscriber base will change the very nature of this forum. it kind of negates the concept of ' free and open discussion'. it seems that the whole world revolves around payment and finances. pity.
but, this is also a real world with real expenses and i suppose that must apply to this forum as well. i personally would not be offended by seeing paid ads here, as i always just ignore them anyways. it would solve the problem of paid subscribers.
perhaps someone with more computer savvy than myself could start a 'tribe' or some other free discussion group so that these very fertile discussions could continue. i would certainly subscribe to another free forum with some of the same posters and topics. i'm kind of a ludite when it comes to computers. would someone consider starting a similar forum in one of the many free places for such things?
i wish all here happiness and peace.
peace, patrick

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

wow, this all pretty passionate stuff. i have heard disparaging remarks here that illustrate agist prejudice and simple narrow-mindedness, on the part of some posters.
i think this forum has lost its way and perhaps should close, or maybe, morph into something else.
i have stated that i will not continue to subscribe to the forum if payment is involved. i am a pensioner and have not the means to pay and choose not to make financial transactions over the net. i believe that changing to a paid subscriber base will change the very nature of this forum. it kind of negates the concept of ' free and open discussion'. it seems that the whole world revolves around payment and finances. pity.
but, this is also a real world with real expenses and i suppose that must apply to this forum as well. i personally would not be offended by seeing paid ads here, as i always just ignore them anyways. it would solve the problem of paid subscribers.
perhaps someone with more computer savvy than myself could start a 'tribe' or some other free discussion group so that these very fertile discussions could continue. i would certainly subscribe to another free forum with some of the same posters and topics. i'm kind of a ludite when it comes to computers. would someone consider starting a similar forum in one of the many free places for such things?
i wish all here happiness and peace.
peace, patrick

Your answer: astrovera.com

It started out rough, but I think it is headed in a very positive direction.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

Yes I have read some of them you should not let your emotions rule your heart in these troubling times and instead try looking at things from a different perspective . Its easy to be critical don`t let it be that which governs you as person .

[vesta]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I feel that people are making too much of a big deal out of the subscription issue and at the same time, begging for attention by creating "goodbye" threads.

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post. I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

Hi Humble and all others reading this,

for some of us it's not about the $$$$$$ but the fact that despite reassurances some of us understand that this will provide another tool for tracking us by being on a list of paying supporters.......... unfortunately some of us have to rely on our income to pay the mortgage, feed our extended families, put clothes on their backs, prepare for the near future etc.

Some of us actually work for the machines that we are railing against here and are walking a fine line since we also have to sign disclosure agreements as to which webistes/forums/chat groups we participate in - those of us who have to do this generally lie in order to maintain the ability to still participate on forums such as this!!!

Pls all of you, don't be too quick to judge that it's all about the money, some of us try to highlight particular points and take a long time to do so because we use open-sourced materials to make the point, (again to self-protect).

Blessings to all of you no matter what your decision is - stay or go, we all need to remember love of fellow humanity is the highest calling we can all strive to achieve,

Vesta.

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Yes, you're too cheap to contibute so off you must go. I really don't care and I see it as your loss for not willing to donate a few dollars just to post. I could get by on just reading this information but I'm often provoked enough to respond.

Open your mind. You still have alot to learn. Practice what your profile name suggests.

.

[Reunite]

I'll miss you too Baggywrinkle..big sloppy kiss back at ya

[symbolon]

I'm 33 and i get tired of older people faster than i get tired of young people. Older people should understand more, they should carry more wisdom but they don't. They carry nothing but contemptment for those younger than them. They see how they once were and decide to look down on them instead of understanding them and offering guidance.

Well Flying Pyramid, we are not all like that. I am 51 years young and there is something i have learned along the way, and that is not to force my truth's and opinions on others. This is the reason for my lack of posts...why i generally hold my peace and my tongue.

I have also learned that people generally gravitate towards their truth's in their own time, when they're ready. Many are not ready to demonstrate living their lives in Love and Light and Compassion for others, and so they bring dissent into the camp, proving that their belief system did not elevate them.

There are a great many post on this site which are not constructive, which do not encourage the average member into growth...and which are anyting BUT peaceful. I think that members ought to be a little more discerning Why they are posting and What they are trying to say. There is still an awful lot of ego at work here. This site exists for the many and not for the one.

Peace

[Sahara]

You Have brought so much to this form! Thank You! Thank You for your passion in finding & sharing what you know and belive! It seems you too are a becaon.

[dagon]

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."


"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.


"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."


"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?


"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"

[Mark]

It's the principle that matters here - rich get to post and poor get to read - we are better then that - or are we - not I fear. Find some other way of funding the site. Rich get power to post- poor have to follow - what does that sound like? NWO anyone? Surely you must all see this - oh, you do - then please do something about it Bill and Kerry. Please, because I love your work, but the subscription trashes it all.

This is supposed to be plans for a new future for us all - not the same old rubbish in a different dress.