Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription?

[RubyTuesday]

I wasn't sure and have now decided. Yes, I'll be leaving. This all feels wrong to me. Thank you guys here as well as Bill and Kerry for all you have done in the past. I will probably still read- just discuss elsewhere once the banning starts. Peace to all.

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by martina

I am illiterate in forums, internet, etc, I don't know how to pay, although, I am willing to.

Hi Martina,

Being dutch as well maybe you want to PM me and I will show you how you can donate and/or pay subscription.

I can explain in dutch..that would be easier for you to understand I hope.

[freekatz]

If I can't start paying for a couple of months (due to a current financial crises) does that mean I will be deleted or can my little page be saved in a sort of cyberspace deep freezer and resurrected later on? I hate to go through the whole palaver of starting up again....

[Peter]

Originally Posted by HOPEFUL

Hello Avalonians,
I'm a new member of this forum. This is my first post and here's why:
I've found a link to this forum about a month ago. Ever since I've read numerous threads and post daily. I feel my life changing.... I'm changing! Without going into details of my "awakening" process which is still in a very early stages I'd like to ask to please leave this door wide open for others like me. I would not give this forum a second look if I had to pay to "take a peek". I'm still searching for the path my life will take me and this forum is my guiding light. Thank you Bill and Kerry, thank you andmin and mods and thank you all members for sharing and believe it or not - teaching to take the first steps and balance the anormous amount of information we're absorbing.
Hopeful

I have'nt read all of the 5 pages of posts so far but I agree with HOPEFUL, if I introduce new people to this forum they would'nt bother with it if they and I speak for myself had to pay. although Operators idea of asking for timely donations is a good one i believe.
I'm prepared to contribute for the cause and thank you Bill and Kerry and the team and all of you who open doors closed to many, thankx, Peter.
Keep on keeping on.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by alternative-answer

Why make it subscription, surely knowledge should pass freely?

If there was a Paypal link, I'm sure that people may be willing to donate a bit of money towards maintaining the forums and the main websites.

I think this may work better than a paid subscription service. I'm not sure it's worth paying to access this forum right now with the negativity in certain areas.

[Antonia]

I think I might have to...I don't have a credit card.... I have a debit card only and anything else thats payable on line normaly doesn't accept a debit card? What playment method would you be using? In princepal I think it's bettter as a free forum but if you need to cover running costs I understand
Antonia

According to this poll, it looks like that many members may leave the forum. Please continue the poll. And tell us why you think Avalon should be free.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I wouldnt leave, in fact it would give me more of an incentive to stay.

Being an open forum, anyone no matter who they are can come on and post. Now there are people out there who get a kick out of making waves, this is just a fact.

This forum has a specific mission, and if anyone feels dedicated enough to be part of this mission then surely they can prove this by paying a small fee to be a part of it. Its not so much about the money more then how serious people are taking this place.

These are serious times after all.

[Shadowstalker]

i love these forums, I am on every day ... but i don't even have enough money to pay attention half the time let alone pay extra to be on a forum

I think it would be rather unfair to the ones on a bigtime budget
Why I think it should be free? well i think if any info where to be given it should be given to all. I could somewhat understand if it where a book and need the money and i am sure that P.C. needs the money, but what of the folks who are loyal to these boadrs and have no money to give.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i have paid a donation to cameloit paypal. i put anote saying could it be earmarked for avalon.. im assuming there is a running cost for this site. those who say they would leave the site can they afford to open another one?? id pay but i think that paypal will go bust. means of money transfer online will implode when the baks implode.. internet 2 will see sites like this with alternate political veiws banned.. ill donate to camelot while we still have the internet in its current form. i think it will be gone in 6 months and internet 2 will be in its place.. anyone else have more info?? id say strike whilst thge iron is hot and use it while we go it..

[Elephant Man]

This is a tough one. Paying for it would probably keep the dis information out, but also potential new members. I would pay a sub, but not until the forum settles and "finds" itself. I feel that there are intentional dis informers, but this is due to the fact that most of the people in here are very aware and have pretty awesome info to share, if it was irellevant, then the wreckers wouldnt bother. I (like many) have been interested in an alternative way of life since I was a child, but man I've learned some amazing stuff in here, not least about myself. I thank you all

[371]

I'd probably leave as the only 'extra' I can pay for at this time is internet.

If I could, I probably still wouldn't.... I support the cause, but I try not to pay for what I can get/do on my own for free, in general. If I could afford it, I would definetly however make a donation.

But my biggest concern if this were to become a paid forum and as a result membership went waayy down- a lot of junk and disinfo might be filtered out but the forum could begin to operate within a vacuum. There's a thin line between being tight-knit and living in a bubble. But that problem would be a ways down the road if it were in fact to occur.

Diversity is important, for better or worse... and very many people have undoubtedly began to 'wake up' as a result of PC and this forum is a continuation of that.

If costs need to be covered then I totally understand, if I cannot participate any longer than I am grateful for what I have learned so far on this forum.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I'm not sure if im alone on this one, but this forum is absolutely full of fluff. Maybe 10percent of the posts here are anything i would call usefull. Its the same kinda stuff that goes on in other forums, they post loads and loads of fluff so that you gotta really dig to get to the good stuff. A good example of this in full swing is Godlikeproudctions forum.

Cencsorship sucks big time, but lies and disinformation should be censored. People should only be allowed to post truth and that which is deemed benificial, i know this seems like a constricting idea but think about it. If there was only truth and constructive material posted then we would be going in a truthfull positive direction. Right now avalon is stalled.

[Operator]

Hi,

Experience tells me that things go wrong when money gets involved.
I am sure costs are there and real, it will be difficult however to spread it equally over all members (there are so many).

Maybe I am too optimistic about this but ...
How about posting which costs are there to cover and let members decide freely to donate to see for themselves their
responsibility to keep this operation going ?

So show which amount is short for which date, or which extension is required and leave members responsible to meet
the resulting financial requirements.

Cheers

[Bobcat]

I'll be gone!!!

[nibiru]

Originally Posted by operator

hi,

experience tells me that things go wrong when money gets involved.
I am sure costs are there and real, it will be difficult however to spread it equally over all members (there are so many).

Maybe i am too optimistic about this but ...
How about posting which costs are there to cover and let members decide freely to donate to see for themselves their
responsibility to keep this operation going ?

So show which amount is short for which date, or which extension is required and leave members responsible to meet
the resulting financial requirements.

Cheers

good idea !

[Son of Eire]

Originally Posted by Elephant Man

This is a tough one. Paying for it would probably keep the dis information out, but also potential new members. I would pay a sub, but not until the forum settles and "finds" itself. I feel that there are intentional dis informers, but this is due to the fact that most of the people in here are very aware and have pretty awesome info to share, if it was irellevant, then the wreckers wouldnt bother. I (like many) have been interested in an alternative way of life since I was a child, but man I've learned some amazing stuff in here, not least about myself. I thank you all

My personal opinion is a paid forum would encourage more dis information,as the PTB disinformationists have all the money they need,while the rest of us have not.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Kevin

According to this poll, it looks like that many members may leave the forum. Please continue the poll. And tell us why you think Avalon should be free.

It should be free but with the ability for individuals to donate money via Paypal for operating expenses.

Again, unless the content approves, I don't think it would make sense to charge money for people to view.

[Brinty]

Provided the cost wasn't beyond my means, I wouldn't leave. The best things in life are free - but maybe the vital things might cost a smidgen. I obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be prepared to pay a little more to subsidise those who could't afford the price.

Has any thought been given to merchandizing? How much would members be prepared to pay for products like say, baseball caps, coffee mugs, pens and so on, with the Avalon or Camelot name and logo printed on them?

[dataeast]

Originally Posted by Kevin

According to this poll, it looks like that many members may leave the forum. Please continue the poll. And tell us why you think Avalon should be free.

I think there are other avenues that can be explored to generate some income for the site to cover costs. I'm all for win/win situations. I'm not against advertising if it works for the equality of the community.

I think it would be too disruptive, I've seen other forums self destruct when there are closed sections which stagnate and the flow is inward only. It creates secrecy (PC <---> PA) and inevitably elitism which would be, in my thinking, the opposite of what Avalon is trying to achieve.

I think it would be a measure of goodwill for Avalon to be free and also put to rest the concern that there was some hidden agenda, not that I believe that to be true.

Also it might be a reason that participation might have slowed--people realized that the forum would become off limits--so stopped visiting because it's future wasn't one where they were included.

[Antaletriangle]

Bringing money into the situation; not here surely!-it's everywhere else and we talk about communities and alternative currency ,helping each other then this is proposed-i would give something to the forum in help like images/photos etc. but currency, finance??I'm a little confused now.I am a giver but i don't understand what is required here,i don't use credit cards for starters-i'm out of that race.

[munkey]

I would be personally against a fee, why would I give money to put out some serious or vital information only to be drowned out by someone giving advice on how to hug a tree to make the bad men go away?

Paying a fee would mean that those with a more dark nature could flood the forum and spread all sorts of disinformation and you would be unable to counter their argument.

I will leave to.

I can pay but i will not because Bill & Kerry say they want their info for free in most interviews.

But i think this will keep away the people who post disinfo and bullocks.
But then again what are mods for, deleting disinfo and bullocks

So i hope it stays free, but it is your domain do what u feel is right.

Peace.

[Anchor]

I want it to stay free.

[deb003]

Ditto on the idea of opening a paypal account for voluntary donations.
I know allot of independent sites/news don't charge for subscription but they ask for donations in order to keep funding their service since they are non-for-profit but at least then we have the choice.
When we can and want, we can donate and when we can't, we still can be a part of this.