The Coming Starvation In America

[beanny]

what if you could only keep alive.. .or your small child, or the only man that knows a tunnel down to sure safety for a thousand beings
who would you save?
mann the dilemmas ahead will not be straight forward

hochma
bina
da-at

hebrew for..

wisdom
understanding
knowledge

keep these tools with you at ALL times
maybe i will too

[Shellie]

Thanks beanny, a gulp of reality.

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by Peer

I agree with you if you'd say that the US government was/is as corrupt as the russian and the chinese, as all governments actually, but the world hasn't seen any real communism as it was meant to be.
No government is leading anymore but ruling.
This was already clear to see 30 years ago.
But Bob Dylan was declared crazy when he sang: "The times they are a changing" and now it's shakin' your windows and rattling your walls..and everybody looks surprised and if you say: I saw it coming why haven't you done anything?

I agree with you....somewhat. First off, in the commentary provided, there is that ridiculous comment that the US is turning into a communist state. In it's simplest terms, communism simply means that the resources of a community are held in common, which is the opposite of what is happening now as the elite are grabbing the resources currently held in common (our houses and 401K values).

Secondly, communism in its perfected form has not been seen, but in its initial stages and in some places, its benefits are obvious. Currently one can look to Venezuela and Bolivia for inspiration. Both Chavez and Morales are Marxists. Secondly, I read a few years ago that in the early 1930s, when the docks in Germany were empty and people were carrying cash in wheelbarrows, those in the newly formed Soviet Union were bustling with activity. Even now, Venezuela is experiencing growth and drastic improvement in the lives of its poor. They are bartering with their neighbors, avoiding the necessity of capital in some cases.

What is cascading now is the world wide CAPITALIST economic system. It matters not a whit to Andeans in South America whose economic system is based on communal ownership and have no dependence on the capitalist system.

The fact is that the ONLY thing lacking in the economy right now is CAPITAL which is something no one really understands but controls our lives. The fact is the true VALUE is in the people who run the machines, till the soil, engineer the bridges and put out fires, and capital is the means by which the value of our work is stolen by those in power.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by izz

and if that happens we are all in it together .. and there is no way i would eat my stored food whilst others starved ..

and it is slightly nutty stock piling food and building nuclear shelters IMO

I have to agree with Izz here. For many years, I've just bought food as I've needed it, and as I mostly buy from the local greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger etc I just buy the food as I need it. I go with the flow and buy as and when.

This means I generally go shopping almost every other day. It also means my cupboards only have a few bits and pieces in them, the odd tin of soup or beans for rainy days.

Since this whole kerfufle started, I've been buying the odd extra extra tin and now my cupboards are nearly full (btw they're small cupboards and that probably represents only a couple of weeks worth of food).

And you know what? It doesn't feel right.

I visited stonehenge yesterday (get me?!) and whereas I would normally stumble at paying TBTB £6.50 for going round something you can see from the road for free - I paid the money (well, hey.. we're in crisis - so it's how you live every day that's important ) and went round.

The path around the monument leads in an anti-clockwise direction.

And you know what? It didn't feel right.

I could feel the energy pushing me back with every step (yet they want everyone to go this way). After walking about a quarter circle, I turned and went clockwise. Whoosh ! I was gliding along. Anyone else tried this ?

I don't want to change subject, but my point here is you have to trust your instincts.

A cupboard full of food doesn't feel right to me currently (especially if other people's cupboards will be empty) and neither does a bathroom full of toilet rolls.

(the feng-shui alone is muggy and heavy )

But look, surely if we want some spiritual awakening, this ain't going to happen unless everyone pulls together. And 'everyone' surely doesn't just mean the 'well-informed' and prepared. Doesn't make sense to me.

A time may well come when a lot of people (me included) will have to make a decision whether they are going to help others in distress, or wall themselves in. (I am legend springs to mind - what kind of an existence is that , really ?)

I hope that when the time comes I will make the right decision for spirit and not just for my self.

[LiquidPluto]

I also went to Stonehenge this week 08/10/08
For some reason I felt I had to go there. There were hundreds of birds in the trees around the parking lot and the birdsong was so loud it was deafening. Yet over at the henge there were only 2 or 3 birds????

It was a beautiful day, cloudy but they were fluffly white and widely spread. Funny thing was they were lined up in an unusual way and the bottoms of the clouds were all flat.

Some helicopters flew by while I was there so I took some pictures.
I thought they might be military?

I will put the pics in my profile if you would like to have a look.

Peace
LiquidPluto

[Jacqui D]

Originally Posted by LiquidPluto

I also went to Stonehenge this week 08/10/08
For some reason I felt I had to go there. There were hundreds of birds in the trees around the parking lot and the birdsong was so loud it was deafening. Yet over at the henge there were only 2 or 3 birds????

It was a beautiful day, cloudy but they were fluffly white and widely spread. Funny thing was they were lined up in an unusual way and the bottoms of the clouds were all flat.

Some helicopters flew by while I was there so I took some pictures.
I thought they might be military?

I will put the pics in my profile if you would like to have a look.

Peace
LiquidPluto

That's really interesting!
Where i live (in the country) we haven't heard a bird for months now!
The only birds around at the moment are pigeons and ring tailed doves, i'm missing the small birds they would come into my garden each day, wake me up with the dawn chorus and still be singing late into the evening.
Perhaps they have all gone to Stonehenge then lol!!

There is definately an energy there i have felt this before.

[777 The Great Work]

Once man has quinched his internal thirst and hunger for knowledge. All that are in hunger and thirst will be fed.
Famine of physical food is the outward expression of famine of knowledge.

[Rebel4Life]

The US Is a corporation and yes there is a solution to this...read up on my topic

Rebe4Life

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

I have to agree with Izz here. For many years, I've just bought food as I've needed it, and as I mostly buy from the local greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger etc I just buy the food as I need it. I go with the flow and buy as and when.

This means I generally go shopping almost every other day. It also means my cupboards only have a few bits and pieces in them, the odd tin of soup or beans for rainy days.

Since this whole kerfufle started, I've been buying the odd extra extra tin and now my cupboards are nearly full (btw they're small cupboards and that probably represents only a couple of weeks worth of food).

And you know what? It doesn't feel right.

...

I don't want to change subject, but my point here is you have to trust your instincts.

A cupboard full of food doesn't feel right to me currently (especially if other people's cupboards will be empty) and neither does a bathroom full of toilet rolls.

(the feng-shui alone is muggy and heavy )

But look, surely if we want some spiritual awakening, this ain't going to happen unless everyone pulls together. And 'everyone' surely doesn't just mean the 'well-informed' and prepared. Doesn't make sense to me.

A time may well come when a lot of people (me included) will have to make a decision whether they are going to help others in distress, or wall themselves in. (I am legend springs to mind - what kind of an existence is that , really ?)

I hope that when the time comes I will make the right decision for spirit and not just for my self.

This is how I've been feeling. We don't just want to continue the same self-preserving paradigm that we've had for so long. I certainly would not want to be the last one surviving in a permanent martial law/nuclear war/one pandemic after another/etc. world. I have to agree that if I am the only one in my neighbourhood with food stores for a year, how good will I feel watching my neighbours suffer and possibly die?

Nevermind that if it got REALLY bad (which everyone is saying/thinking), how long do you think you will actually be in possession of food stores - be it the gov't confiscating, or crazy mobs looting, or your neighbour notices you're quite plump while everyone else is rail thin and decides he/she is not going to starve while you stuff your face.

Hmmm.

Aside from that stuff though, it just doesn't feel right to know in my godlike wisdom I have been hoarding/storing food for months/years to prepare for a coming emergency that I'm so determined is going to occur. And everybody else who is naive and/or stupid to not have been living in such awareness can all starve around me because they did not prepare.

Yeah, that sounds like a great attitude. Sounds like a world I want to live in :\

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Aside from that stuff though, it just doesn't feel right to know in my godlike wisdom I have been hoarding/storing food for months/years to prepare for a coming emergency that I'm so determined is going to occur. And everybody else who is naive and/or stupid to not have been living in such awareness can all starve around me because they did not prepare.

Yeah, that sounds like a great attitude. Sounds like a world I want to live in :\

Yep... that's really how I feel too. It doesn't sound like the right brand of 'enlightenment' to me or spiritual awakening that so many are feeling.

I can't believe that in the end , spiritual awakening will boil down to 'You either bought the heinz beans, or you didn't'.

Actually, since I've reawakened my dedication to thinking about how am I going to be among people if there is a crisis and not to thinking how will I isolate myself from the crisis, I feel my fear of possible happenings has subsided.

Yep, agree with Myra that I can console myself that being prepared and having some food in the larder is a great way of helping others if/when the time comes. That's the only way it makes sense. 'Preparing' in secret for a time of haves and have nots feels a bit like we're just not doing our spiritual duty. To me.

And talk of anarchy and people robbing and looting... yeah, that could happen, but what about the laws of attraction? Do we really want to imagine that scenario as we prepare? (I'd better buy a couple of 'stingers' for the end of my road then... )

We could imagine instead, as Lythocrist says, that there is plenty of food around to eat and people help each other to find and forage. We have to make the jump to lightspeed mentally that people won't turn on each other... or we're contributing to that paradigm happening. Well, it's a thought....

P.S. As for stonehenge, there were a whole bunch of rooks or jackdaws on it (at least three or four pairs) and it was quite misty. They seemed pretty happy with the fact that people couldn't get near the stones....Smug I call it

[davefla73]

well i was just posting something I thought you might injoy , personaly I dont want to stare at the sun eat roaches or be starving or watching people i love starve try going a few days with out eating see if you like it , and go through your normal work day! dont just sit around soon youll want some REAL food and do anything to get it
. lol

[Myra]

Originally Posted by izz

ummm this jumped out at me .. the US has been heading in a communist direction .. that is a load of rubbish ..

about this food hoarding - i just cant do I am afraid .. it is almost like saying .. ''ill make sure i am alright .. me me me ''.. i cant think like that ..

if a global disaster happens .. it would have to be enourmous to affect food supplies to such an extent that people are starving ..like a nuclear winter .. and if that happens we are all in it together .. and there is no way i would eat my stored food whilst others starved ..

and it is slightly nutty stock piling food and building nuclear shelters IMO

Don't worry about that, think about this, you can still collect a storage of food and when the time comes you can still help others by giving needy people some of your food if you want.

But in times like these it is wise to stock some food. What's really nutty is the way that our Gov's are acting. Our reaction of stocking up on food is just a normal response to an abnormal situation.

[Peer]

@ gwynned:
I couldn't agree with you more.
Here in Europe we aren't that afraid of communism as some folks in the US.
We've seen it from very near by.
But the way it was practiced was again to keep the man in the street quiet while the ones on top like Chouchescou (of Romania) became billionaires living in golden palaces.
I am very impressed by ao Hugo Chavez who has the guts to stand up against the US and say: We'll spend our money our way and started schooling programs and healthinsurance for young and old.
Great hand for this man.

[Jenny]

Nicolae Ceauşescu of Romania, Is that the one you are speaking about? Peer?

[Peer]

yes.

[Realview]

I think eating is a bit like AIDS. According to that depach chopra most people that die of AID die of shame. In other words expectation, belief is a factor. I think most people can live on 1 modest meal a day, every other day, or every third day and do just fine. Some people claim, and I believe they are telling the truth, that they eat very infrequently like once a week, even once a month. To much food is really very unhealthy. Sun worship and energy Chi-kung can help a lot with physical energy needs and some claim nutrition needs. Google for such things as Sun Worshipers, Breatharians, Non-Eaters. It is also claimed that many diseases are prevented by fasting 1 day a month even.

[STicKY_EyEs]

Originally Posted by Realview

I think eating is a bit like AIDS. According to that depach chopra most people that die of AID die of shame. In other words expectation, belief is a factor. I think most people can live on 1 modest meal a day, every other day, or every third day and do just fine. Some people claim, and I believe they are telling the truth, that they eat very infrequently like once a week, even once a month. To much food is really very unhealthy. Sun worship and energy Chi-kung can help a lot with physical energy needs and some claim nutrition needs. Google for such things as Sun Worshipers, Breatharians, Non-Eaters. It is also claimed that many diseases are prevented by fasting 1 day a month even.

Yeah I have heard about this. It was called SUN GAZING. I've heard it to be true and i'm looking into it also!!!

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/sun_gazing.html

http://www.solarhealing.com/

[feynman]

Originally Posted by davefla73

............. has always subjected and controlled the masses using FOOD. Remember, FOOD CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL. New Orleans was your cue: Now prepare! You have been warned.

Right on. At the end of the day it boils down to food (and water). If you don't have any that's ALL you're going to be thinking about.

We're here because we at least believe part of what the interviewees have to say on Camelot.

All you have to ask yourself is: "if my money was worthless tomorrow, what would I do?"
If the answer is starve, beg, borrow or steal, then you need to prepare.

Its called disaster preparedness. We should all be doing it anyway, even the most disbelieving of us as a matter of common sense.

I predict food riots in the US by the end of year.

This food thing is a bit bothersome to me. Maybe I witnessed mass starvation in another life. Who knows? Now I have a food supply that's been building for many months. Here's the deal. This is not out of fear. It is out of love for others. So many will be waking up very soon to the reality of what's going on. That may be too late for them to prepare. There are innocent children to consider and as long as I have food it will be shared with others. It will take the collective effort of everyone to move beyond this bump in the road. Service to others will be key in this process.

peace,
cosmic

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

food shortages will hit britian also.. we will get the same treatment. i want food of my own
1: to ensure quality and nutritional value
2: so i dont have to leave the house to join food ques, this also helps avoid crowds where boi weapons will be working at their most efficient.
3: ill buy extra to help a few non beleivers who artn prepared and who a very close friends. alas its personal responsibilty, im taking mine by stocking my own food, im not responsible for others. im possibly gonna have to defend my food supplies from hungry maurading starving people.. im moving out nea the country anyway so shouldtn have much interaction outsoide of close friends anyway and ground crew. my friend is a farmer so we can get milk poss.. its gonna be tuff imo

im pretty poor so unfortuantly i cant feed everyone

[QueenOfLeon]

Originally Posted by CosmicFever

This food thing is a bit bothersome to me. Maybe I witnessed mass starvation in another life. Who knows? Now I have a food supply that's been building for many months. Here's the deal. This is not out of fear. It is out of love for others. So many will be waking up very soon to the reality of what's going on. That may be too late for them to prepare. There are innocent children to consider and as long as I have food it will be shared with others. It will take the collective effort of everyone to move beyond this bump in the road. Service to others will be key in this process.

peace,
cosmic

Here here!! And Bravo. Given the knowledge we have I think it is safe to be prepared and I am doing so to help others as well as my self/loved ones. I dont want to die yet, vene though I know I am eternal. I think Humanity have come to this cross roads to see how we react. DO we turn on each other or do we help one another? I for one will always share and then I will be able to sleep at night.