Gregg Braden Debunked

[mu2143]

You think, I do not know that. Of course I'm already aware of that, there still rewritting the bible today.

You need to find out what is truth and which is a lie, the main problem is with people when the have read something they read it like if it is a scribt and not trying to understand what is writen in any forms of media.


There are thing in the bible that speaks of truth for example I found this video of this person that is reading a line out of a bible about Sumeria and I knew that was true. Because where repeating history again and he gets his information from spirit with out this your lost.

He my sound crazy, but it is created to make people ignore them
http://www.youtube.com/user/photohel...25/Qt6HjW8UnQM

I know this guy is in contact with spirit and he is getting prophetic Dream of things to come

It those not matter if you follow/listen the/to Bible or Newage when you do not do you research then you do not become aware of it.

[mu2143]

But only the thing about Sumeria, but not the rest of that video that the he said it could not be changed!!! this of course depending on the people waking up

[mu2143]

Isabelle's Vision this if from a child !!just found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5g-...eature=related

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by mu2143

What people mostly do not understand is, that the newage movemend is a part of the illuminati program. They are allready aware of what is going come out in the future!!
so they put in there players to pick it up where and when it is needed and keep the people in confusion.

So most of the so called spiritual leaders are trained by the illuminati for this and there good in what they do.
There always talke half truths and fill in the part that looks like it is right, but most people stop questioning this by then and think there wonderfull!!!

There here to make sure you do not progress futher to more understanding!!!
and keep you busy with sweet talk!!!!

[Knowwheretorun]

Originally Posted by Derek

The basic premise of his real research has been supported by native societies all over the planet for thousands of years.

I think that I know the basic things that you are referring to here (Mind changing matter, and thoughts effecting external things) but this is one of the things that I was refuting in the video. You seem to agree that Braden is untruthful selectively, but I would encourage you to see the sections of my video called Fraudulent Footnotes (about this subject), also The Maharishi Effect, The Global Consciousness Project and the section called Messages from Water You will find that all four of those sections are dealing with the one aspect of Braden's teaching that you seem to want to keep.

Originally Posted by Derek

We both know the bible was rewritten and manipulated.

The interesting thing about this claim is that as often as its claimed, I have never seen anyone attempt to prove it, Which if you think about it, would be the easiest thing in the history of ancient textual criticism to do. Especially considering that there are more fragments (26,000) for the New Testament from the 1st century on up, so all that would need to be done is to show a point in history where the texts were altered, but even the skeptic scholars don't argue this other than minor spelling errors or similar things. The fact is that all of the texts agree, and considering that they are by far, the most scrutinized texts (by both sides) in the history of the world, you would expect at least someone to simply point to the place where it was changed and say "Ah ha!, before this time it said this, and now it says thus".

I think people tend to confuse this idea with the various modern English translations, but this is the same thing you deal with in french or Chinese or any other language that the bible is translated in, there are challenges and some things get lost in translation when going from the original to the modern but they ALL have recourse to the same unchanging Greek and Hebrew texts, a simple concordance is all anyone from any language would need, We can in fact be sure, (despite the earnest attempts of its critics for thousands of years) that the bible is the exact same thing that was written originally. see my video Council of Nicaea myth debunked

Originally Posted by Derek

There is a massive part of the new age movement (if you want to call it that) that respects and applies biblical teaching to their life. I keep the 23rd psalm in my pocket at all times. I even call upon Jesus for protection and guidance and feel I have a closer relationship and respect for him now then ever.

I understand why you would think that, but as I tried to show in the last section of the Braden video that the position is not something that can be held logically. It was C.S. Lewis, a professor of philosophy at Oxford and Cambridge, both when he was an atheist and afterwords, that demonstrated this so clearly C.S. Lewis - "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic"

[Derek]

I think I know the basic things you are referring to (mind changing matter and thoughts effecting external things) but this is exact thing that I was refuting, you seem to agree that he is untruthful selectively, but I would encourage you to see the sections of my video called Fraudulent Footnotes (about this subject), also The Maharishi Effect, The Global Consciousness Project and the section called Messages from Water You will find that all four of those sections are dealing with the one aspect of Braden's teaching that you seem to want to keep.

Yes that was part of what I was refering to. I do beleive that at least one group in the illuminati is promoting the law of attraction as being a totally self serving materialistic thing. I don't think that means that its all made up either.

The interesting thing about this claim is that as often as its claimed I have never seen anyone attempt to prove it, Which if you think about it would be the easiest thing in the history of ancient textual criticism to do considering that there are more fragments (26,000) for the NT from the 1st century on up, so all that would need to be done is show a point in history where the texts were altered, but even the skeptic scholars don't argue this, other than minor spelling errors or similar things, the fact is that all of them agree, considering that it is the most scrutinized text (by both sides) in the history of the world, you would expect at least someone to simply point to the place where it was changed and say ah ha before this time it said this and now it says thus.

I think people tend to confuse this idea with the various modern English translations, but this is the same thing you deal with in french or Chinese or any other language that the bible is translated in, there are challenges and some things get lost in translation when going from the original to the modern but they ALL have recourse to the same unchanging Greek and Hebrew texts, a simple concordance is all anyone from any language would need, We can in fact be sure, (despite the earnest attempts of its critics for thousands of years) that the bible is the exact same thing that was written originally. see my video Council of Nicaea myth debunked

Thats interesting, I was unaware of that.
The bible was in fact written by rome though, and we both know how corrupt and power hungry the roman catholic church and that whole bloodline was. There is evidence to support books being left out as well.

and like I said above

Do you really think the illuminati didn't get to the bible or protestant christian doctrine, but the new age movement is fully under their control?

It wouldn't make much sense that they left it all perfectly in tact.

I understand why you would think that, but as I tried to show in the last section of the Braden video that the position is not something that can be held logically. It was C.S. Lewis a professor of philosophy and Oxford and Cambridge both when he was an atheist and after that demonstrated this so clearly C.S. Lewis - "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic"

Well I can assure you it's a very real day to day experience of gratitude for the man. I can also assure you the people that think along these lines (including myself) are much more christlike in thier behavior than most christians Ive met and am aware of. Thats not to say christians are bad or ignorant either and thats not to say that all new age people are christlike.

[Derek]

I just watched "the maharishi effect"

Ive read all those anti TM sites and for that reason stayed far away from TM. I was really skeptical of those studies to begin with so this was no surprise to me. The fact that they were being promoted by the RAND corporation was even more suspicious.

I do however believe that meditation has an effect on other people. I believe this from experience not studies. TM is from what I understand almost like the opposite of meditation. When you meditate you feel at peace and more aware. TM makes you feel confused chaotic and unaware.
I believe this is why it was developed and promoted by the beatles and such and why it causes crime rather than decreasing it.

[Knowwheretorun]

Originally Posted by Derek

The bible was in fact written by rome though, and we both know how corrupt and power hungry the roman catholic church

No argument from me on the latter part, but to say that the bible was written by Rome is simply impossible, the catholic church didn't come in to existence until almost 400 years later, and before that time the Roman empire was enthusiastically trying to wipe Christianity and their bible off the face of the earth. They fed them to the lions for sport, lit them on fire for garden parties and such.

And the killings didn't stop after Rome became the catholic church either, they eventually killed more Christians than ever before, except their new reason was because the Christians wouldn't believe the wacky stuff that the Catholic Church was teaching, stuff that is 100% NOT in the bible (Mary worship, priests, saints, popes, pagan rituals and holidays.... I could go on and on)

They called people that wouldn't go along with the new version "heretics", and the rest is history.
They scared people for centuries into going along with a system that was 180 degrees opposite to what was in the bible.

The thing that will really make you do a double take is when you realize that what the Illuminati (or whatever you want to call them) was really doing with the Catholic Church is actually taking away the bible from the common man, (they said the masses in Latin, a language that almost no one understood, they told people to only let the priests tell them what it said, they actually put it on the banned books list in the 1200's! .....many many people were burned alive during the inquisitions because they chose to believe these fragments of the bible that were still circulating and not the catholic church.
Almost without exception these people were given a chance to recant and avoid any number of excruciating deaths, if they would only renounce what they read in the bible..

THAT is the mindset of the real Illuminati, they have just got better at selling their own viewpoint to people, in subtle ways that make the people think they were the ones who came up with the idea to hate Christians, never stopping to consider it was sold to them from cradle to grave, from the schools to the tv.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Knowwheretorun

No argument from me on the latter part, but to say that the bible was written by Rome is simply impossible, the catholic church didnt come in to existence until almost 400 years later, and before that time the Roman empire was enthusiastically trying to wipe Christianity and their bible off the face of the earth, they fed them to the lions for sport, lit them on fire for garden parties and such.

And the killings didnt stop after Rome became the catholic church either, they eventually killed more Christians than ever before, except their new reason was because the Christians wouldn't believe the whaky stuff that the Catholic Church believes, all this new stuff by the way is not in the bible (mary worship, priests, saints, popes, I could go on and on)

The thing that will really make you do a double take is when you realize that what the Illuminati was really doing with the Catholic Church is actually taking away the bible from the common man, (they said the masses in latin, they told people to only let the priests tell them what it said) they actually put it on the banned books list in the 1200's! many many people were burned alive during the inquisitions because they chose to believe these fragments of the bible that were still circulating and not the catholic church

No Im afraid you wont find any support for this idea in the real world, neither from atheists or theists.

Yes, I agree the christians had a strong philosophy of purity, devotion, love, forgivness, and understanding which threatened the whole power structure of rome. It's no surprise they kept it well hidden from the people for hundreds of years.

If the bible is really completely in tact (and id like to see your sources on this) does that mean it's all literally true? Perhaps there was secret knowledge they were hiding in metaphor so that these secrets couldn't be used by people with bad intent (and there is research to support this).

The disciples came to Him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" (Matthew 13:10). Jesus answered, “. . .The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them'” (Matthew 13:11, 15)

[Seashore]

Ever since I saw this post on the "Bye Bye Whistleblowers." thread, I've been curious to know more about the motivation and backers of Gregg Braden (and Drunvalo Melchizedek):

Originally Posted by Karen

I used to think I should try to save people from certain "negative" experiences.

Then I realized some of my most valuable lessons were in spending years studying something only to find out I'd been scammed. Nobody can tell you the lessons that you came here to experience. Who am I to deprive someone of following the path they came here to follow and learn from?

I spent many years reading and believing sweet lies prepared for us by TPTB. I'm tending to believe now what Don Croft and Don Bradley have revealed about the "New Age Stable" people listed below (plus many more not listed there). There is also the Tavistock Institute of social engineering that John Coleman has written about.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHI...howtopic=14331

"Six or seven years before we met he had come to understand that the Great White Brotherhood is a satanic organization and that, essentially, everything and everyone he believed passionately in was false. An Illuminati oracle has to be kept from this truth so that his master can send him out into the ethers like a kite to retrieve information that the spiritually degraded master can't access. The Great White Brotherhood uses this retrieved information and it's subsidiaries, including the CIA and British MI6, to create disinformation and thus infiltrate and then corrupt the legitimately progressive movements and otherwise-discerning, inquisitive individuals in the world.

"He began opposing them instead of supporting them and for years his former masters gave him a lot of slack, even allowing him to go on the lecture circuits with conspiracy authors and militia leaders and tell the public what he knew.

"Torkum Sassarian had died right before DB woke up, by the way. He showed me a photo of a gathering of New Age gurus, with Sassarian in their midst, taken in 1987 on the grounds of the Masonic Temple in Sedona, Arizona. During that conference they were designing the mind control agenda that would be called, 'the Harmonic Convergence.' Present were DB, Sassarian, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Jean Houston, Shirley MacLaine, James Twyman and a dozen other people whose names I didn't recognize, including Goru Adachi, from Japan, whom DB mistakenly assumed was Ken Adachi, who is an Italian guy from Brooklyn."

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Ever since I saw this post on the "Bye Bye Whistleblowers." thread, I've been curious to know more about the motivation and backers of Gregg Braden (and Drunvalo Melchizedek):

I want to thank you for sharing Karens message. Its as it should be, with no one telling us which lessons we need to learn.

A brilliant important message one that all need to heed by

I listened to the videos and I happen to appreciate all that Gregg Braden has brought to me. He is very inspirational and that feeling didnt change today.

I believe the bible has many misquotes indeed ! Like Gregg says certain sentences altered with much left out. Of course its been rewrittened hundreds of times with a sole purpose

Sometimes I wonder what the motive behind "debunkers" as Im sure some are very worried about what we know

As far as it goes, I have to go along with the fact that anyone can say its a lie but if it feels right to you, then move one and no one should try to persuade you to not. Forcefull pushing of others is not acceptable anywhere. I think we all had enought with that all of our lives.

[shiva777]

people get pretty upset when their sugar-coated new-agey preachers get challenged and especially when those challenges are exposing blatant deception.....so expect a LOT of people to get really upset about religion and new age ,especially after 2012,and see it from an observer stance as a NECESSARY part of awakening...good for you for speaking your truth about GB and the rest

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Knowwheretorun

THAT is the mindset of the real Illuminati, they have just got better at selling their own viewpoint to people, in subtle ways that make the people think they were the ones who came up with the idea to hate Christians, never stopping to consider it was sold to them from cradle to grave, from the schools to the tv.

Yes, but this is only happening in america and a few european countries

In south america for example (where a really good friend of mine was born raised and now lives and some family members of mine lived until a couple months ago) there are very strong christians and no tv specials about Darwinian evolution and no zietgiest. From what I understand this is also the case in Russia and of course the middle east (lets not forget what religion their trashing the most).

I don't think its one big conspiracy run from the vatican. I think there are many groups all with there own interests. This is why you hear things about the jesuits, illuminati, freemasons, NWO, thule society, neocons, etc and it all gets very confusing. All of this information is out there.

I agree with you that they are trying to make people hate christians. I also think they are trying to make christians hate athiests, muslims, abortion patients etc just listen to rush limbaugh, glenn beck, or alex jones.

[truth and integrity]

Chris White,
What a pleasure to meet you here. Several days ago, I made a decision to never come back but my soul did not want me to do it. Yesterday and today I have received the answer why I could not do it. Any way, one year ago, I have listened to your videos. However, I did not agree with you. It took me another year of hard research where I literally put my life on hold to seek the truth. One month ago, I saw you videos again, I have realized that I am on the same page with you. I was also guided to other people who shared the same view. I was so excited to notice that if we dig deep enough and ask hard questions we arrive at the same place. Chris thank you for your work, commitment, and passion for truth. What a life. My whole day I felt a deep pain and now I am singing with joy.

Love to you all,
t&i

[Derek]

Theres one more thing I wanted to say on this subject.

I don't lie
I don't steal
I don't kill
I don't covet
I don't cheat
I don't in any way hurt or manipulate someone
I love others as myself
I forgive others unconditionally
I accept others as gifts
I don't drink or take intoxicants
I try to live as pure as possible
I am completely devoted to god
I spend most of my day in gratitude for the creator and all of creation
I nurture all of creation
I offer my service to help others very often
I respect, appreciate and use the teachings of christ
I pray every day and sometimes several times a day
I bless all of my food "in the name of jesus the christ of unconditional love"

The only difference is that I do these things out of love and a genuine desire as opposed to the majority of Christians (and I live in a very religious place, most of my family is fundamentalist) doing it because they think they have to or out of fear or guilt.

[john-d]

Some more syncronisity ...... i was watching a gregg braden movie last night on here :
http://www.maya12-21-2012.com/zero-point.html
I like him , i think he has a good message ( even if not all the data is totally accurate) . As with all researchers , you just have to take what resonates with you and leave the rest .

John

[Knowwheretorun]

Originally Posted by truth and integrity

Chris White,
What a pleasure to meet you here. Several days ago, I made a decision to never come back but my soul did not want me to do it. Yesterday and today I have received the answer why I could not do it. Any way, one year ago, I have listened to your videos. However, I did not agree with you. It took me another year of hard research where I literally put my life on hold to seek the truth. One month ago, I saw you videos again, I have realized that I am on the same page with you. I was also guided to other people who shared the same view. I was so excited to notice that if we dig deep enough and ask hard questions we arrive at the same place. Chris thank you for your work, commitment, and passion for truth. What a life. My whole day I felt a deep pain and now I am singing with joy.

Love to you all,
t&i

Wow thats so great, if you have any questions about anything email me any time. nowheretorun1984@gmail.com

[Shadowstalker]

Given enough time and proper wording , anything and anyone can be debunked, The fact that an Alien from alpha signias 20 can tell his fellow scientists that the earth does not exist simply by the fact that he can not find it on his iddie biddie telescope..

[Barron]

GregBraden is one of the most aware and highly intelligent authors/educators and scientists out there. Anyone who has listed to him or read his books will know this. I wonder why one new poster decides to pick on him, means that my friend Greg must be really onto something eh?!

[gibonos]

I wonder why one new poster decides to pick on him, means that my friend Greg must be really onto something eh?!

He is not picking on anyone, just showing different side of the story.
i really like GB's message, he speaks about change and all, but he lacks sufficient
explanation how to prepare for an awarge guy. The impresion he leaves is: great we gonna change, lets just meditate and will be fine, I'm afraid we need more than that.
Just speculating on my part that this might be the deception to make people beleive
in false way to get ready. Should a calamity happen, the more people survive the harder for tptw to establish new world order.

gibonos

[Roman195]

Knowwheretorun,
Nice propaganda pieces, Joseph Goebbels would hire you in an instant. I have to admit I only viewed one of your videos (The Council of Nicaea), and I was at awe with myself. I couldn’t believe I watched the whole thing! I like your use of bible quotes in this video. I wish you would leave them up longer so normal humans could read and discern. Goebbels was good at mixing Truth with his hearsay or down-right lies. Have you even read any of Gregg’s books or even contacted him with your concerns? It would have been nice for you to include references with your statement so they could be verified and discerned further. There are Humans out here that listen, and all I heard was ego and hatred. Lighten up and take time to smell the Roses. You might be glad you did.
In Peace and Unity
Roman

[truthseekerdan]

Newest video interview on CMN with Gregg Braden

Fractal Time

In a much awaited follow up interview with Gregg Braden, Regina discusses his vision of 2012 and the next great cycle from the persepctive of Fractal Time, the title of Gregg's latest book.

As Deepak Chopra says, Gregg Braden is a rare blend of scientist, visionary and scholar with the ability to speak to our minds, while touching the wisdom of our hearts. His ability to look at the grand picture, observe the important scientific facts and synthesis them into an understanding that touches deep within, is one of Gregg's greatest contributions.

Gregg is internationally renowned as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality. Following a successful career as a Computer Geologist for Phillips Petroleum during the 1970s energy crisis, he became a Senior Computer Systems Designer for Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the last year of the Cold War. In 1991 he was appointed the first Technical Operations Manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that assures the reliability of today’s Internet. For more than 22 years, Gregg has searched high mountain villages, remote monasteries, and forgotten texts to uncover their timeless secrets. To date, his work has led to such paradigm-shattering books as The Isaiah Effect, The God Code, The Divine Matrix and his 2008 release, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief: Shattering the Paradigm of False Limits. Gregg’s work is now published in 17 languages and 27 countries and shows us beyond any reasonable doubt that the key to our future lies in the wisdom of our past.

For more on Gregg Braden, please go to www.greggbraden.com

To go directly to the Fractal Time code calculator, go to www.greggbraden.com/home/fractal-time-calculator

[yiolas]

Hey knowwheretorun, I know exactly what your agenda is. You are an interloper and an intruder. You are not here to share knowledge but to spread disinformation. I've heard your radio programs and I've got your number. Spread your garbage elsewhere.

[micjer]

I would just like to make a couple of points if I may.

First I would like to say that I do like Gregg Bradens' work. I also see nothing wrong in Chris challenging him on some of his conclusions. We are after all looking for the truth. Chris has pointed out some things that are wrong in Gregg's conclusions and I applaud him for this.

A few of his points are a bit of a stretch however. A couple of the references that Gregg used were later proven to be misquoted or not accurate, but you can hardly blame Gregg for this as it was after his presentation, (or book was written).

Chris you infer that the bible is 100% accurate and all gospels that were not included were proven to be fraudulent. (for example The Gospel of Thomas) Well this is hard to prove either way also. What about all of the other text that was not included in the bible? The writings of Mary Magdelene for example. Is this fraudulent also?

I am not a biblical scholar, but I have trouble with your assumption on this one.

Anyways debate is good and we must research everything and not take any one person's conclusions as the only truth.

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by micjer

I would just like to make a couple of points if I may.

First I would like to say that I do like Gregg Bradens' work. I also see nothing wrong in Chris challenging him on some of his conclusions. We are after all looking for the truth. Chris has pointed out some things that are wrong in Gregg's conclusions and I applaud him for this.

A few of his points are a bit of a stretch however. A couple of the references that Gregg used were later proven to be misquoted or not accurate, but you can hardly blame Gregg for this as it was after his presentation, (or book was written).

Chris you infer that the bible is 100% accurate and all gospels that were not included were proven to be fraudulent. (for example The Gospel of Thomas) Well this is hard to prove either way also. What about all of the other text that was not included in the bible? The writings of Mary Magdelene for example. Is this fraudulent also?

I am not a biblical scholar, but I have trouble with your assumption on this one.

Anyways debate is good and we must research everything and not take any one person's conclusions as the only truth.

I was listening the other day, I think it was Ken Klein that said in his videos, not the C2C, that there are no original manuscripst for the Bible, not known anyway. It is possible that there may be in the Vatican but it is likely that they will not compare with the current editions of the Bible

There are also the Nag Hammadi and the apocrypha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha testaments that do contradict the official version

Basically, the Bible it is a minefield itself which is difficult to disentangle because one would need to speak Arameic oneself which very few do

Like with the Pyramids being dated to certain time, not to contradic the history of creation in the Bible, there have been many manipulations

The bottom line, Christianity is not a religion is Kristiac living, it comes from the first word of creation Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La KRYSTH LA which implies that one is aligned with Source and the natural laws of creation, like the law of cause, effect and consequence

All humans are Krysthla beings until the lose their inner light to less than 30 pct and embrace the fallen ones that are in government

Now do we really know what has been hidden from us?
We know sciences are lieing, and so most of officialdom

Where the new age information is comming from? Ancient texts? who's ancient texts?

It is a minefield and I wish I could say all is hunky dory but it isn't. Religions are not exception, they hold part truth but it is necessary to dig what is what for much has been given that is in accordance to the "great work" of the Masons too

All that can I say is we are being compell to use our discernment and to seek our own cellular memory for the way home before we get those chips

I respect all ways of thinking as there are many that hold a piece of the puzzle. Most people do what they do with good intention not knowing they are being manipulated

Seek the real sciences of creation, how things were really made, who made them, make the difficult question: I want the truth now! and the thruth will come, all you need to do is ask

Knowwheretorun, welcome, thank you for your effort and imput, I know that you have some valid points. I am not a church goer, I am not into organized religion anymore nor againt it. We are all sovereing beings if we chose to be and we do not need to give our power away to other beings. We were created by Source as Source not less from my perspective.

Love to all