Prometheus Initiative

[pr0metheu5]

I suppose given my moniker I should be a part of this.

very interested in ZP, magnetics etc.

how can i help?

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by pr0metheu5

I suppose given my moniker I should be a part of this.

very interested in ZP, magnetics etc.

how can i help?

Haha, great to hear from you pr0metheu5. What I am most interested in is people sharing their ideas about some of the concepts I am presenting, either piggy backing off me or pointing me in a new direction, or generating conversation on an entirely new concept (still related though to free energy and sacred geometry obviously).

I hitchhiked up to Sedona a couple days ago, and should be back at Tangos in Phoenix in a week to make more tech vids so keep a watch out.

[GregorArturo]

[GregorArturo]

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Here are some other interesting rodin coil videos for anyone who may be interested


















now i'm really pumped to see what your quartz enhanced coil does

[GregorArturo]

Yeah, I've seen most of those vids, thanks for sharing! Especially for the ones I haven't seen. Anyways, one thing you'll also notice they're doing different with the coils is they are not taking the toroid geometry into consideration. They are using whatever they can to make the toroid, which does show that the pathway is most important, but the shape can make it much more efficient.

With my coil, the wire will always touch the surface of the toroid as there are no air gaps. The toroid also has mass which you want, also it being a diamagnetic substance. Oxygen gas is paramagnetic which you don't want as it will absorb the magnetic field and not aid with gravitic coupling. Also another reason I will be surrrounding the coil with distilled water.

[thetechguy]

Hello Gregor

It is a great job you are doing.

You said that this is colaborative task, and i agree , building some like this requires many skills, no body knows everything , so we must cooperate.

You are in the right track , i would like to support many of your concepts, as they are correct (in my oppinion at least)

I have some information, to share, but i dont like to bring much attention to me, now since you "open the can of worms" , lets continue your thread

I would like to say that your thread interested me because you talk about specific concepts, and thats the key to advance in this project.

Another thing that i noticed is that , it may be easier for you to be in contact with Nassim Harameim or Marko Rodin, and that is a key factor because they are one of the leading experts on the subject

Much of this information is already covered by
-Nassim Harameim
-Marko Rodin
-Tom Bearden, John Bedini
-Jesie Mercay, and VASTUVED institute
-Tom Valone
-John Searl
-Jeremy Stride
-David Wilcox
Just to mention a few modern researchers

You said that by the moment you are not using physics or math, i believe it is necesary to inlcude some of it on the explanation of concepts

The building of a free energy machine requires knowledge on
-Classical Physics
-Electromagnetism
-Modern Physics
-Quemistry
-Electronics
-Mecanical engineering
just to mention a few skills and knowledge

You will realieze (or maybe you have already) that producing free energy is not the difficult part
the hard time is producing a machine that is stable and that its safe for human use and that complies with all the goverment regulations for energy producing machines.

For a machine to engineerable, it must be measurable and predictable ,according to engineering tables and calculations, thats why physics is so important

it is important to describe all the fenomena from a point of reference , wich in this case will be the atom
The atom is the interface between the quantum energy flux and our material world

Nassim has done a great job describing the atom energy in a mesurable way , ant Tom Bearden has done a great research identifying the electromagnetic fenomena

Marko Rodin has done a great job identifying the mathematical cicle of the atom and the electro magnetic interactions

Now all this may sound complex for the non initiated, but if we keep showing simple concepts after concepts, then eventually every one will undestand what we are talking about

If you are interested in me to contribuite, please let me know

Best regards

(forgive any typing errors english is not my native language)

[GregorArturo]

hey the techguy. Thanks for all the info you've shared.

Oh trust me, I am using physics and math but the concepts involve using geometry and the interaction between them, which yes, can be described with math and physics, but I don't need numbers to share the concepts. I am using a program called GeoGebra which is a 2D geometry program which I use for calculations and laying out the vortex geometry. I also did use a 3D modeling program called Maya which I have 10 years of experience with, however, the newest version I just got and it's not working at the moment.

Here's a pic I just took. Just finished the first circuit on the coil, now I'm going to wrap the 2nd one which should go by much quicker, then the fun begins!



I plan to head to Sedona this coming Monday with the coil to do test runs with some researchers up there. I really need at least 10k volts to pump into it, which I might pull off myself by creating a new kind of transformer, a rodin coil transformer. I would wrap a rodin coil around a steel washer, with one circuit with say 10 windings, and the other with only one winding to step up the voltage, but in a much more efficient manner.

[thetechguy]

Understood Gregor

Good luck on that trip

I would like to comment 2 things

1 about the voltage you need
have you tried a tv flyback transformer?
they produce a range from 15kv to 75kv, but with little current (a few miliamps)

If you need more power you could get yourself and old microwave oven transformer , those are heavy, and the convert from 110 volts to 3kv , but with 10 amps (very dangerous)

finally you could wind yourself one, but its alot of winding ( if you do the manual winding, could you post the calculation for the winding so that everybody can make use of it?)


2 About the research
We 2 types of research
a) to prove the overunity efect,
b) to convert that to some comercial usable power

About usable power.
We need power that is usable by every people with comercial devices ,like TVs, LapTops, Airconditionated etc

So need to have some reference parameters to convert the free energy to:

Alternating voltaje/current of 110-220 VAC , at 60-50hz
The power consumtion is measured for every device is in watts , so we need to know how to convert de quantum energy to that

In other words, every gain in the generator must be translated in Joules (work) so that we can have something usefull to produce

if calculate de micro or nano Joules for every atom interaction , then we have something to work with

there IS A LOT of information on free energy out there, but the important thing is to show concepts that lead to something usefull
(like the website on free energy devices of Patrick J. Kelly http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/)

I would like to add some concepts, and keep them as simple as possible, but i dont want to distract the attention of your main research

iif you agree,i I´ll be adding info that would expand what you are doing

[GregorArturo]

thetechguy, thanks again. By all means, post away. You are the exact type of individual I was looking for.

Are there any other type of devices that I could pick up at a store that has a decent transformer, maybe not as powerful, cause ya the 10 amps at that voltage scare me. I'd probably be just find with a half amp at that wattage, maybe even less. I could just go buy a microwave if need be, and thanks for the notion.

So about transformers, I really like the concept of using a rodin coil to make the transformer. I just need something iron or steel like that I can either bend such as ribar, or a metal washer. Now let's say the first circuit I ran it through ten windings, and the second circuit I only did once. The first circuit is carrying 100 volts at 1 amp, then the second circuit would be around 1k volts but most surely less than an amp due to leakage. The rodin coil transformer could really prevent leakage, I love the concept.

UPDATE NOTE: So I researched it myself, and realized I got it backwards. I have a DC frequency generator here at Tangos. If I set the duty cycle to 50%, would I be able to use a transformer on it do you know as you need a fluctuating current to transform the voltage?

What I want to initially prove is if I charge up the coil like a capacitor, will it rotate it keep rotating in the water? If so, then I have a concept in how I can utilize a spiraling wire geometry (cones) that goes in and out of the coil to power it. The negatively charged cone can have a magnet on the inside of it that can keep the capacitor charged. The question is how to keep the voltage up within the coil.

Also, if you can elaborate on the fly transformer you just mentioned that would be great. Otherwise I'm going to go research it right now.

Note: I forgot to post the pic of the finished coil which is now in my post above.

[GregorArturo]

It's finished! Oh what a beauty. Now I just need 10k plus volts...

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

It's finished! Oh what a beauty. Now I just need 10k plus volts...

Oh Gregor!!!! Now I can see where the Candy Stripes come from!!!!!

Must be some kind of treat you are creating.

Has it been 'in our face' all this time?















Nice try!

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by mudra

You certainly have been busy ..
Now I must catch up with all this .
VERY WELL DONE Greg

Love from me
mudra

I hope you enjoy the vids and understand what the hell I'm talking about!

Originally Posted by Richie

Just another idea.Try placing a plant or small tree,like a pine tree in the torrid.
as you would know trees produce "juice" too.I just see a link due to your bodys effect on the coil.

I've thought of this idea myself, only problem is getting the toroid over a plant. It would be much easier to put it over a plant that's just growing, and actually powering the coil should make the plant grow faster/efficiently.

Originally Posted by Christo888

Oh Gregor!!!! Now I can see where the Candy Stripes come from!!!!!

Must be some kind of treat you are creating.

Has it been 'in our face' all this time?

Haha, never thought about that, but ya it's right there in front of us. Great connection!

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I'm working on a new concept today to deliver power to the coil, and possibly even step up the voltage from a clue I got from someone about pyramids.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I see a lot of people on youtube trying to use the rodin coil to increase the electrical power and move a rod & axel, or spin a magnet or something, which from what it seems gives you a lot more power for a lot less, which is awesome as it is

but do you think anyone has tried getting it to spin itself?

i don't know what you would have to do with magnets or a way to do that in the water, but do you think it would have any effect? i think because the toroid would maintain its same shape, but increase its speed / vibration it may do something cool?

but i'm no scientist

[Curative]

Great going Gregor.

Maybe an idea to add a second (or more) coil(s), to help expand your experimental potential. Would also act as a backup in case you melt through the first one.

Looking forward to the test results, may the spirits of sacred science aid you in your quest

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Curative

Great going Gregor.

Maybe an idea to add a second (or more) coil(s), to help expand your experimental potential. Would also act as a backup in case you melt through the first one.

Looking forward to the test results, may the spirits of sacred science aid you in your quest

Making the one coil to my theoretical specifications took me easily 12 hours of labor. I was pretty meticulous with it, so making another would be quite the endeavor again. However, I have definitely theorized since the beginning how two or more coils would interact with each other. I was particularly interested in using three coils to create a true and real triad, as I feel that's where some really mystical magic could take place.

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Making the one coil to my theoretical specifications took me easily 12 hours of labor. I was pretty meticulous with it, so making another would be quite the endeavor again. However, I have definitely theorized since the beginning how two or more coils would interact with each other. I was particularly interested in using three coils to create a true and real triad, as I feel that's where some really mystical magic could take place.

Interesting you should say that... reading some of the Billy Meier material years ago they (whoever wrote it) gave details about the craft landing with three landing gear pods or three marks left on the ground. And the grass grew in a counterclockwise direction at each landing pod or circular 'print' for months afterwards. Possibly due to disturbing the plants natural ability to determine where North and South is.

So a triad will make your grass grow funny or use it to fly with... Tango will like that!!

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Christo888

Interesting you should say that... reading some of the Billy Meier material years ago they (whoever wrote it) gave details about the craft landing with three landing gear pods or three marks left on the ground. And the grass grew in a counterclockwise direction at each landing pod or circular 'print' for months afterwards. Possibly due to disturbing the plants natural ability to determine where North and South is.

So a triad will make your grass grow funny or use it to fly with... Tango will like that!!

I have a pendant that I usually always wear (I haven't lately as it's on hemp, and I need to make a new necklace). My best friend back in Maine made it for me out of silver through lost cast wax method (I believe that's what it's called) and gave it to me as a Xmas present when I was 18. The design naturally came to her, and she felt like I'd like it, but had no concept of what a triad was. Here is a digital illustration a recreated of it awhile back. I used it as my logo for things, and even made this really cool stamp I'd stamp things with.



Eventually I realized that this symbol meant something, and I now consider it a very powerful sign from the universe. I also usually where my ammonite shell necklace too which is a spiral which was a gift from Claudia. I consider both to powerful symbols about our universe, the spiral and the triad, and are apart of my journey to understand the nature of the universe.

Note: Just realized this was my 555th post!!! Go synchronicity!!!

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by dddanieljjjamesss

I see a lot of people on youtube trying to use the rodin coil to increase the electrical power and move a rod & axel, or spin a magnet or something, which from what it seems gives you a lot more power for a lot less, which is awesome as it is

but do you think anyone has tried getting it to spin itself?

i don't know what you would have to do with magnets or a way to do that in the water, but do you think it would have any effect? i think because the toroid would maintain its same shape, but increase its speed / vibration it may do something cool?

but i'm no scientist

Excellent question. Yes that is my ultimate goal, and it doesn't seem like anyone has been working on it. Because if the coil starts spinning, there will be an immediately direct energy amplification. And in terms of free energy, it can be exponential, especially when applied to a feedback loop, where it would reach some theoretical maximum speed that would only be limited by the friction within the environment/system.

I began working on a new concept today about how to make the rodin coil capacitor maybe work more effectively. I was thinking about the atom, and how the rodin coil represents the electron cloud, while the center should represent the nucleus which is positively charged.

I began thinking about an octahedron after someone mentioned to me that its possible to use a pyramid to step up voltage. I also remember a year back hearing that the Roswell craft had an octahedron in the center of it. I figured out how to wire an electromagnet octahedron that could represent the nucleus. I am working on it right now, about to wire this moment while watching The Prestige go figure haha. More later.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Excellent question. Yes that is my ultimate goal, and it doesn't seem like anyone has been working on it. Because if the coil starts spinning, there will be an immediately direct energy amplification. And in terms of free energy, it can be exponential, especially when applied to a feedback loop, where it would reach some theoretical maximum speed that would only be limited by the friction within the environment/system.

I began working on a new concept today about how to make the rodin coil capacitor maybe work more effectively. I was thinking about the atom, and how the rodin coil represents the electron cloud, while the center should represent the nucleus which is positively charged.

I began thinking about an octahedron after someone mentioned to me that its possible to use a pyramid to step up voltage. I also remember a year back hearing that the Roswell craft had an octahedron in the center of it. I figured out how to wire an electromagnet octahedron that could represent the nucleus. I am working on it right now, about to wire this moment while watching The Prestige go figure haha. More later.

Awesome! I just watched Rodin's 2008 lecture on youtube, and was reading all of the negative, naysaying comments - as well as watching genuine attempts by people to figure out how to use the coil. And if you've seen rodin talk you know he gets "terse" as he says because he knows that people aren't totally getting it - even after 20 years of his effort. I was trying to figure out what everybody isn't getting.

So in short I almost didn't think that spinning the coil itself would do anything (just because I have no idea what I'm getting into here ) but I started asking myself "If everyone has it all backwards..." and then spinning the actual COIL made a lot more sense.

I really hope that's the thing everyone is missing! Man I'm PUMPED to see what happens.

[thetechguy]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Excellent question. Yes that is my ultimate goal, and it doesn't seem like anyone has been working on it. Because if the coil starts spinning, there will be an immediately direct energy amplification. And in terms of free energy, it can be exponential, especially when applied to a feedback loop, where it would reach some theoretical maximum speed that would only be limited by the friction within the environment/system.

I began working on a new concept today about how to make the rodin coil capacitor maybe work more effectively. I was thinking about the atom, and how the rodin coil represents the electron cloud, while the center should represent the nucleus which is positively charged.

I began thinking about an octahedron after someone mentioned to me that its possible to use a pyramid to step up voltage. I also remember a year back hearing that the Roswell craft had an octahedron in the center of it. I figured out how to wire an electromagnet octahedron that could represent the nucleus. I am working on it right now, about to wire this moment while watching The Prestige go figure haha. More later.

Hello Gregor
If i may, i would like to make a comment for clarity, for the analisis of the energy
I agree with you about the atom model, the Rodin coil represents the electron cloud wich is a mathematical flux of ether energy

About the proton, for clarity, i suggest to see it as Nassim and Rodin has suggested
As Nassim said, the proton is in reality, not a positive mass, but a miniblack hole. He describes this on his award winning paper "the schwarzchild proton"
In this paper ,Nassim establishes using known physics, that the proton satisfies the schwarzchild condition for a black hole
The black holes are the greatest sources of gravity, and the also bend or capture electromangetic signals
So the miniblack hole AKA "proton" , is the source of the contraction of the atom, and the source of its mass gravitiy force
Rodin calls this the blackhole/whitehole relation
Rodin also claims that his coil is in reality a black hole generator, which produces also a supervortex , mathematically ordered
the PHI relation between expansion force and contraction force is what generates spiraling vortexes, or logaritmic spirals


This is VERY IMPORTANT becasuse this "mini black hole" will be one of the sources of our free energy generator
Nassim says that "if the universe is expanding , then something must be contracting, there must be a feedback loop between the radiated side and the contracting side"
(http://www.theresonanceproject.org/)

The same applies to the atom, because ,according to Nassim, the galaxy and the atom , work the same way


So we must include in our calculations, this "contracting energy" on the Rodin coil , and not just the "positive" energy of the magnetic flux due to the flow of the electrons .
Tom Bearden , call´s this , "the negative energy" , http://www.cheniere.org


I will be including some more of my ideas as they are relevant to your research

[GregorArturo]

Thanks thetechguy for all your info. I read it awhile ago, but haven't had a chance to respond. I've been real busy since I've arrived in Sedona. A lot of what you said I knew already or I just recently researched myself (as in transformers) but most of it is an excellent reminder for me as we all get caught up in tangents, especially your second post. I would really like you to stay involved. Posting on YouTube would be of real help as I feel that's where the discussion/collaboration is really going to take off.

However, since Avalon #1 is coming down, and I have no interest in participating in PA2, discussion can continue on the Mists of Avalon in the Free Energy section (http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=191) and also on YouTube.

I have still been keeping up on my research, and plan on making an octedheral type II coil, as I made a type I previously. The first runs on DC, the second on AC, and I have decided to go the alternating current route. I have also designed a theoretical new antenna based purely on the phi ratio as displayed below.



As many can see, this is directly related to the Christian Cross. Each segment is divided at the phi ratio (1.618). It's a 2D fractal form of the divine section essentially. In 3D, the cross would be pointing in all six directions, now just four. That means there would only be one central access as pictured but the side segments would be replicated into all four directions which would by lined up to the cardinal points and then planted, just like a tree (each branch in a tree branches out at the phi ratio). The lower section of the cross represents the root system and would ground the antenna. The idea is to tune into the Schumann resonance of the earth, most likely a harmonic/overtone as 7.83hz is a very low frequency, and use it to power a rodin coil. However the rodin coil as it's a toroid is a perfect dipole transmitter which can than rebroadcast the signal for the antenna to recollect (It creates a localized vortex). The system will basically keep charging itself from whence charge can be eventually drained out. I plan to use the octahedral coil in the system hopefully to keep amping up the voltage to increase the efficiency.

[GregorArturo]

Thanks thetechguy for all your info. I read it awhile ago, but haven't had a chance to respond. I've been real busy since I've arrived in Sedona. A lot of what you said I knew already or I just recently researched myself (as in transformers) but most of it is an excellent reminder for me as we all get caught up in tangents, especially your second post. I would really like you to stay involved. Posting on YouTube would be of real help as I feel that's where the discussion/collaboration is really going to take off.

However, since Avalon #1 is coming down, and I have no interest in participating in PA2, discussion can continue on the Mists of Avalon in the Free Energy section (http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=191) and also on YouTube.

I have still been keeping up on my research, and plan on making an octedheral type II coil, as I made a type I previously. The first runs on DC, the second on AC, and I have decided to go the alternating current route. I have also designed a theoretical new antenna based purely on the phi ratio as displayed below.



As many can see, this is directly related to the Christian Cross. Each segment is divided at the phi ratio (1.618). It's a 2D fractal form of the divine section essentially. In 3D, the cross would be pointing in all six directions, now just four. That means there would only be one central access as pictured but the side segments would be replicated into all four directions which would by lined up to the cardinal points and then planted, just like a tree. The lower section of the cross represents the root system and would ground the antenna. The idea is to tune into the Schumann resonance of the earth, most likely a harmonic/overtone as 7.83hz is a very low frequency, and use it to power a rodin coil. However the rodin coil as it's a toroid is a perfect dipole transmitter which can than rebroadcast the signal for the antenna to recollect (It creates a localized vortex). The system will basically keep charging itself from whence charge can be eventually drained out. I plan to use the octahedral coil in the system hopefully to keep amping up the voltage to increase the efficiency.

[Clarityofawareness]

Ok i think I might understand what your saying here. Because I have a large pyramid in my home that I put shtuff under in order to charge it with energy or balance the energy of that shtuff. I put 3 gallon containers of water, my razor blades ( for shaving ), fruit and things that need to have their energy be more balance energy.

BY the way everyone, please don't bother telling or preaching to me that such does not work for me. I and a few others experience what our pyramid does at least, not you. Mainly because you don't live in my home, lol. Especially don't bother telling me that I'm some how attempting to prove that pyramids can do anything for anyone. If anything, all my posts & threads on this forum concern your being more aware. After that do with what you please.

I look at such experiences like I do my various psychic abilities... they are mostly here for my own self proving and experience. Although I am looking into my own business for utilizing such abilities to help others.

At any rate, so is something like the pyramid power I use what we're talking about? That different shapes promote frequency or energy?

Kevin

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Clarityofawareness

At any rate, so is something like the pyramid power I use what we're talking about? That different shapes promote frequency or energy?

Kevin

Hey Kevin, essentially the answer to your question is yes. All matter is energy. There is no true differentiation, and in all honesty it's just energy not matter. Organizing that energy in specific geometric patterns makes the energy fluctuate in different ways, but in the most simple notion, when energy is organized in a more efficient manner the total output of the energy within the system is increased.

A pyramid, especially when constructed in the context of phi such as the Pyramid of Giza, organizes the energy in the system in a very efficient manner which also generates a strong central vortex (five in total, one major in the center, four minor in the corners).