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[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Yes, but in the case of spirituality it's the other way around. A spiritual teaching is released first then along comes the PTB to hijack and twist it to their own advantage. That way the spiritual truth is discredited by association with the PTB's nonsense. Believe it or not the differences are often subtle. Their objective is achieved when non- discerning souls either accept it in toto OR reject it in toto. Either way you lose.

I think you've got the aliens fairly well covered but you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff in your total dismissal of the catch-all you refer to as the "new age". Like so many other 'truth seekers' who've written books on the "new age" you've tossed everything into it including legit spiritual teachings released first by legit spiritual teachers. Those who can't see the differences are spinning their wheels and will likely end up in the same ignorance as people who accept the "new age" unreservedly. Neither extreme is a winning formula.

I know there's a lot of balony in the "new age". Usings labels to dismiss the truths which you've snared within that label allows you to avoid what you don't understand or haven't verified personally. So long as you keep doing what your doing you can remain authoritive by denying all metaphysical experiences, real or otherwise. All you have to do is keep using your catch-all labels, keep denying plausable alternative realities (ie, the repetitive MO of the PTB in stealing the ID and truth of legit spiritual teachers) and keep telling people they're mentally ill or decieved if they can personally verify the multi-dimensional nature of themselves and the universe.

That would be unfortunate because you appear to have reached a cul-de-sac from which you cannot emerge. You're in so deep your ego cannot allow you to acknowledge the reality of spiritual law, spiritual beings or experience in the spiritual / material multi-verse. Yet all these exist and are an essential part of awakening and gaining self-mastery. There are no lasting victories without realising spiritual potential. It is the source of potent action not a delusion to escape into.

Certainly the PTB disseminate their claptrap from the top down. It is well documented, as you say. And you're correct that being first to release info (ie, the vast majority of Jesus teachings or certain of Phylos' teachings) doesn't make it true. But, as i continue to reiterate; in their attempt to poison the stream, the most transparent MO of the PTB throughout history is to STEAL the ID and teachings of legitimate sources of spiritual truth and salt it with their own spin. They did this to Jesus and his teachings and they're doing the same to Phylos and his teachings and to others. The distorted mask worn by the PTB is woven from the strands of truth and the origin of that truth is spiritual.


"Faith", in the exoteric understanding, is something one "believes". But as i've said, one can "know" things which there is no possibility - at a given time - of scientifically proving to someone else. And the PTB are not about to confess that they rip off the true adepts and their teachings. But i know they have.


Me saying "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality" was an invitation to you to consider the possibility. Science has already proven the reality of higher dimensions and so have i by a different route. Whether or not science had recently proven it is immaterial to me in the same way it was immaterial to Jesus and Guatama. They knew it and so do many others. They ascended into the spiritual plane and so can we, one by one as we awaken NOT en masse in 2012 or any other time.

You've cautioned me to gain an esoteric understanding of the religious texts. So far as words can tell i've been explaining my esoteric understanding in this thread and others by quoting the adepts who clearly also know of higher dimensions of personal and cosmic reality. (ie, Jesus, Guatama, Phylos etc). True spirituality enables one to verify spiritual truth wherever it appears whether in the old religious texts or the modern.

The few reliable teachings found in what is termed the "new age" do take concepts from older religions because there is truth in older religions (discernable below the surface). The true spiritual teachers of humanity are trying to show the continuity of their teachings through different cultures over a long time. They planted their veiled truths in the historical stream in many places. The false "priests", ancient and modern, always seek to misrepresent that spiritual truth and to spin it to their own 'advantage'. Consequently you will also find attempts in the "new age" to distort and spin the old religions. It is up to each individual to discern the difference.

Even so, no well motivated spiritual teaching is totally error free because it is recieved and scribed by a human being. If there are errors there, we've been taught by all spiritual teachers worth their salt to discern and resolve them through our own inner-spirit which is the ultimate source of confirmation. Debate can only inform that process but can't resolve it.

Cheers Doom.

And I agree that somewhere in our history and origins there was true spirituality, that over time has been hiijacked. But so much of what you have talked about falls right into the lines of the hiijacked material in my opinon. Like I said, there is a fine line between the new age and spirituality. I have stated before I fully believe in spirit. Proving the reality of higher dimensions existing has nothing to do with us habitating higher dimensions. And Perhaps our soul does. But like Mega said, we need to defeat the new world order in this reality, this is where the road meets the tire. But while so many are shopping for the New Age in answer to their spiritual crisis they fail to realize that this is the world where spirit meets matter and what you do here in the world of matter is important, no matter how you rationalize it, we are being rendered extinct and need to do something to stop this in this world, not the spiritual world. Once we get this new world order out of the way, maybe then, we can achieve our full potential spiritually, but first we must survive.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Doom

... But like Mega said, we need to defeat the new world order in this reality, this is where the road meets the tire. But while so many are shopping for the New Age in answer to their spiritual crisis they fail to realize that this is the world where spirit meets matter and what you do here in the world of matter is important, no matter how you rationalize it, we are being rendered extinct and need to do something to stop this in this world, not the spiritual world. Once we get this new world order out of the way, maybe then, we can achieve our full potential spiritually, but first we must survive.

I agree with virtually all you've said here. What you're emphasising is exactly the relationship all spiritual people need have with this world. This world is where we must have our spiritual and material victories. Neither one without the other. Both are crucial.

I'd reply to your last comment about priorities by saying that we'd profit most by persuing spiritual and material survival simultaneously, not neglecting or postponing either. There's a lot at stake for the individual as well and what many don't fully appreciate is that both can be achieved together. In fact it's the reason we find ourselves at this crossroad "where spirit meets matter". To know and master both.

Take care Doom,
M + H

[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

I agree with virtually all you've said here. What you're emphasising is exactly the relationship all spiritual people need have with this world. This world is where we must have our spiritual and material victories. Neither one without the other. Both are crucial.

I'd reply to your last comment about priorities by saying that we'd profit most by persuing spiritual and material survival simultaneously, not neglecting or postponing either. There's a lot at stake for the individual as well and what many don't fully appreciate is that both can be achieved together. In fact it's the reason we find ourselves at this crossroad "where spirit meets matter". To know and master both.

Take care Doom,
M + H

Well said,
btw I don't mean to say to postpone anything, I'm not trying to supress spirit, I just think our spirit connection will grow a lot more if we focus on surviving our species here in this world, in this reality of flesh and blood. I think there are so many cons out there and that they love for everyone to be busy going through book after book in the new age section of the book store searching for something that will help them accept and be at peace with the horrors we face. It all works as religion even if they think they are breaking free from religion. To be honest, I fear that the effect that this new world order could have if they fully succeed, could destroy the spirit. Some are at peace with death because they "know life goes on" in other realms in some way shape and form, but I would caution that there is more to it, that the most important time we've ever faced so far in our known history and it is at hand, where spirit meets matter, and if we want to survive, even in spirit, we need to fix what is happening here. We are fighting for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who has a rite to live in the future. We need to stop this new world order no matter where you stand spiritualy at the moment.

[Magamud]

The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.

[Doom]

I think these are relevant here, no need to double post, i'll just link to it, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...5&postcount=56

[GoingToFast]

This is a presentation of Michael Tsarion called "The Destruction Of Atlantis - Was Atlantis A Center Of Advanced Civilization".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arion+atlantis

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Magamud

The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.

I agree with you but I feel that the key is not to get chipped. Then they have ultimate control over you.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by micjer

I agree with you but I feel that the key is not to get chipped. Then they have ultimate control over you.

Both of these options are equally are desired by the PTBs.

Their goal is that we hand over our 'Power' to them, no matter how.

[feeler]

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It's a given by product of real insight, this....."No one can awaken another... tho one may be compelled to share what one is certain that he knows... The source & content of knowledge is contained within... at some point to Know to Trust the Process of Life... else be found captivated by another beings' good intentions, that, still, capitalize on one's vulnerabilty".... (credit is acknowledged but not remembered)...

The deception is pervasive, ever so deep, predominantly everywhere...
it is the nature of our world. How much more dis/mis/information do you need in order to know this???

I have to tip my hat to Doom, his passion, his extended research... what he is sharing is closer to close.... for the sake of sifting thru the matrix/madness... he is a good "filter"... as I give example of setting ones' self up for (uninvited) feedback... you see?

All things transpiring lead to the eventual focusing within... we all have a "within".. the same within..... no one is exclusive, chosen, more capable... it's a matter of the elusive 'timing' or readiness of the prompt.

I've taken the lead into Alan Watt and I do resonate. When you consider, as I do, that when the majority of people hold something to be true, more than likely it is not... well, there you have it w/new age propoganda... believe me, I admit (let in) as has Doom, that I've fallen for them "all"...

now it's pure entertainment this... my ego gets engaged just as yours... the wake up is about your inner realm, not awakening another's.

Why is it that "you" on this forum THINK that "you" are "awakened",... when the vast majority of what "you" profess to know is merely a "poll parroting" of what you''ve heard from someone else?.. .while giving your SELF credit for being able to discern truth, having lived your entire life in delusion?

I tend to surrender (and that is not giving up) to the take that we are ALL deluded and deceived and that we'd better get started looking within, owning our vulnerables & responsibilities, accepting that our daily needs are the same as every one elses..... me? I'm back to basics.

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Magamud

The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.

Amen to that hahahaha

The new age gurus says that we must accept the things how it are because we must to Flow with the Univeeerse or something like that allways.


Deepak Chopra, the Great new age guru says

"everything is who must be"

"DOOON'T CRITICIZE NOTHIIIING"


Well, for your information, mr. Chopra is a member of the infameous Club of Rome.


Cheers.

[orthodoxymoron]

This is strange. I like Jordan Maxwell...but I liked the debunking video(the hour long video linked at the beginning of this thread)! Seashore, I watched the one you referred to...and I don't know. Nothing surprises me. I use various sources as clues for arriving at my tentative conclusions. This includes Jordan Maxwell. I think it's very hard to seriously research the occult and secret societies without getting pulled toward it. This can be a dangerous area of research. I think a lot of what we discuss in this website can be dangerous...some of it can be extremely dangerous. To some extent...we are playing with fire. However...to be ignorant of what is really going on in our world and universe can be even more dangerous. We are in the middle of a war-zone! If someone is 'exposed' as being Masonic, Illuminati, Secret Society, Jesuit, CIA, NSA, Disinfo-Agent, etc, etc, etc...this does not mean that they should not be listened to. These people probably know more about what is really going on than anyone! I probably wouldn't want to get very close to them...or buy a used car from them...and they may be very hardened and calloused people. They have probably seen more...and been involved...in more dark activities than we can imagine. I tend to think that some of the best friends of humanity may turn out to be good bad-guys. People on the dark side...who do the right thing...when it really counts. I think I'm a good guy...but I am admittedly very naive and squeamish. I would not survive for long in these groups. I therefore will never have inside knowledge. I will always be on the outside...looking in. This is fine with me!