Wingmakers: Fact, Fiction, or Good Story with some truth...

[ENdJOY]

the "story" is fiction based upon fact... the interviews were written in '97 and so far every bit of them has materialized.

The materials themselves are "embedded" with information that only becomes clear as you ponder them, without comparing them to other things you have read...if you mind is open, you will be able to discern that the materials are, most likely, the largest dose of truth you will ever find in one place.

Many people are overwhelmed by them, and do not discover their purpose, which is a "transformation"... out of the control of the hierarchy into a new model of existence that allows you to have a Sovereign Integral's perspective of Source Reality... here and now.

[ENdJOY]

I am anxiously waiting for the new written interview, that Kerry has announced in the Proj Camelot home page. Every time James releases "new materials" it is somewhat earth shaking, he appears to have his finger on the pulse of the world, and as we reach "critical mass" it will be very interesting to see what he has to say.

[wilsonericq7]

Hello All,

Are we to believe "James" is a single human, or could "James" be a group of collective intelligence? I, too, am looking forward to an interview and less towards any transcript. I love this message and have started working in the Event temples. So far, any agenda discovered during my journey has not been offensive or felt like it was leading me. I feel, any group leading you down any rabbit hole should be followed with caution.

Also, I have encountered an amazing source of material I would like to share and discuss with any who has finished the following book
http://www.scribd.com/doc/915092/The...gs-of-Atlantis

Love and Peace,

Wilson

[Ashatav]

1) Many of the topics of the wingmakers material are equal of the topics (let's see... the same name) of the urantia book who is discredited by heavywheights like Dr. Deagle and the archeologyst Jonathan Grey.

2) Isn't the atlantis where the "ruling bloodlines" (actually spiritual iliterated, scamed bloodlines) say they come from?

Cheerzo

[ENdJOY]

I understand that it is the natural inclination of a truth seeker to compare ... but there is nothing that compares with the Wingmaker's materials.

snips from Answer 24 :

The WingMakers' materials are designed in a different way from anything that has ever been manifested on earth. It is a collection of encoded sensory data streams destined for a consumer technology platform that is just beginning to be incubated within development labs. However, even when experienced without this technology platform, the individual is aware that there is a deep transformation occurring. Something is "reshuffling" their mental "deck". I would encourage anyone who is immersing his or her consciousness in these materials to go without comparison for a period of time as they absorb these materials. The Tributary Zones have more information encoded in them than the human mind can access and comprehend. If an individual is engaged in comparison, they may not be engaged in the deeper meaning of the Tributary Zone, at the level where the encoded information is revealed.

They were not written by man, nor were they channeled. Those who channel are not conscious of the specific source from which their information arises...and while much of the information revealed in the Urantia book, does apply to our planet, a great deal of it appears to be misaligned to Earth's evolutionary path. While it claims not to be a Religion, it promotes a heirarchal organization. First Source is connected individuals, not organizations.

Answer 47 – I have always been consistent on this issue. I am not the creator of the WingMakers materials, I am the translator. The materials existed before I incarnated on earth. I have taken the original content and transduced it (for lack of a better term) into a form (music, art, words, symbols) that would resonate to the human senses and mind.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

I understand that it is the natural inclination of a truth seeker to compare ... but there is nothing that compares with the Wingmaker's materials.

Yes there is.

We should compare the 'Wingmakers' material with the spirit of truth within our own hearts. That comparison will reveal it's origin and intent.

It's quite legitimate as well to compare the WMM to other material which we have discerned to be true by the same intuitive process, because as James also alludes, external comparisons alone can't replace spiritual discernment.

The spiritual-self holds the proverbial scepter of authority and separates the real from the unreal.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

They were not written by man, nor were they channeled. Those who channel are not conscious of the specific source from which their information arises...and while much of the information revealed in the Urantia book, does apply to our planet, a great deal of it appears to be misaligned to Earth's evolutionary path. While it claims not to be a Religion, it promotes a heirarchal organization. First Source is connected individuals, not organizations.

Channelling is attuning the mind in order to "transduce" or "translate" information from it's origin in higher planes. To suggest otherwise is just semantic. To claim that "channelled" material is inferior to "translated" material is more of the same semantics especially since, contrary to your own assertion, channellors are often conscious of a specific source which they specifically identify.

For information claimed to originate in this way, the only questions become :

1) Does it really? It is written by man on the mundane plane. Could the message too have a mundane origin? In any case... Is it true? or is it doggy doo with a honey chaser?

2) When information really is translated / channelled from a plane beyond the sensible, does it originate from a pure or a corrupt source? The lower astral planes are filled with astral garbage and garbage-makers who are capable of delivering it in the most sublime forms. These black majicians are highly adept at plaigerising the work of the true spiritual adepts and, upon a framework of universal truth, devising elaborate facsimilies and incongruous flabber to ensnare the spiritual seeker.

...From a reading of various metaphysical works it is obvious that information from both of those sources are making their way into this world through numerous channels / translators. And so is info that pretends to, yet originates in corrupt earthy minds. In all cases we must discern the differences between the pure gold of truth and the tainted alloy of half- truth because very often they closely resemble each other. The lower intellect is incapable of discerning the subtle - and sometimes gross - differences between pure gold and the glitter and glamour of fool's gold.

By suggesting that we not compare the WMM with other material, James is asking us to to recieve it beyond the external intellect at a deeper level of consciousness, in other words, the wisdom and intuition of the heart. The principle is sound and well founded. But it doesn't mean we should suspend the judgements of the heart too. If intuition rejects certain pieces of info as deceptive and badly motivated at it's source then the truths contained in the rest of it become irrelevant. Move on and find something that is not concieved to divert you into a cul-de-sac.

Perhaps what James is really suggesting is that only the external intellect could reject the Wingmakers' material... And by extension only the spiritually intelligent can accept it and it's claimed source, as he avers. I beg to differ.

It is not only the outer intellect that throws up objections to information. The inner-self does too. It knows when information is or is not in alignment with truth. Our inner source knows what springs from itself and what is generated by corrupt external facsimilies. It knows the difference between the honey which flows from it's center to inform and illumine the outer mind, and external saccharine devised as sugar coating to decieve the mass mind. The latter can sometimes be very beautiful and beguiling but rotten in crucial ways.