Poor Gary Mckinnon

[TheGhost]

As for the 'offer' Gary received from the US authrities, I have answered this point before. The offer was unsigned - so not worth the paper it was written on - it was not a legally binding offer. It was most likely just made to tempt him over into their hands and once they had him they would do whatever they wanted.

At a hearing on 12 April 2006 the prosecution produced an unsigned note from the US Embassy, claimed to be a guarantee that McKinnon would not be tried under U.S. Military Order 1 (November 13, 2001 - 66 Fed. Reg. 57,833 "Military Order"), which allows suspected terrorists to be tried under military law. However, the defence argued that the note was not binding as it was unsigned. The defence called as a witness Clive Stafford-Smith, a US-based lawyer who has defended inmates of Guantanamo Bay. Stafford-Smith argued that the note would not prevent McKinnon from being treated as a terrorist.

[murnut]

Originally Posted by TheGhost

As for the 'offer' Gary received from the US authrities, I have answered this point before. The offer was unsigned - so not worth the paper it was written on - it was not a legally binding offer. It was most likely just made to tempt him over into their hands and once they had him they would do whatever they wanted.

At a hearing on 12 April 2006 the prosecution produced an unsigned note from the US Embassy, claimed to be a guarantee that McKinnon would not be tried under U.S. Military Order 1 (November 13, 2001 - 66 Fed. Reg. 57,833 "Military Order"), which allows suspected terrorists to be tried under military law. However, the defence argued that the note was not binding as it was unsigned. The defence called as a witness Clive Stafford-Smith, a US-based lawyer who has defended inmates of Guantanamo Bay. Stafford-Smith argued that the note would not prevent McKinnon from being treated as a terrorist.

I understand what you are saying, but it is not reality as far as I am concerned.

Gary has no proof of anything...so why is he a threat?

Your using an argument, that contradicts itself when approached logically.

Maybe....just maybe, it is what it is.

A hacker who got caught, who has had terrible legal advice.

Gary's supporters and you unfortunately play the fear card, when it suits your "theories"...but when I play along, you decide it is not valid.

UFO vigilantism will not help the cause, has not helped the cause.

Making excuses doesn't help either...in my opinion

[Orion Morris]

Murnut... you are crazy... why do you care if we support Gary so much? You have been arguing on this thread for weeks!

It is wrong for Gary to be treated like a terrorist!

[murnut]

Because when the ufo community supports criminal actions, it damages the credibility of the of serious work that is being done.

We need more credibility...not less.

And by the way...Gary has not been charged as a Terrorist....although the notes he left indicate malicious intent.


Again...The ufo community needs credibility, not vigilantes.

Is my point so hard to understand?

[anonypony]

Thought police, or paid to post, or both as I have questioned many many times before.

If it smells like a fish, most likely it is a fish.


Shouting loud doesn't make one right, more importantly as evident here, dose not inspire others to listen.


The word bulling comes to mind.... Anyone who bothered to read the whole of this thread, can't claim I didn't give it a very good try...

but hey many other fish to fry...

[murnut]

Sticks and Stones

But thanks for playing anyway.

This is about the soul of the ufo community....which is being manipulated.

I won't sit back and say nothing when I see it falling apart right before my eyes.

If one cares about the soul, one tries to save it.

Granted that I can't do it by myself, and I blame myself for not being as clear as i wanted to be.

But when I see posts from apony and ghost such as the above, I realize I have for the most part failed in expressing myself.

Did I reach anyone?

Anyway...I will be gone when Avalon goes pay to post...no one is going to gift me...hehe....but I will be at OMF as always.

Gentle people, I wish you all well

Andy

[TheGhost]

Originally Posted by murnut

I understand what you are saying, but it is not reality as far as I am concerned.

Gary has no proof of anything...so why is he a threat?

Your using an argument, that contradicts itself when approached logically.

Maybe....just maybe, it is what it is.

A hacker who got caught, who has had terrible legal advice.

Gary's supporters and you unfortunately play the fear card, when it suits your "theories"...but when I play along, you decide it is not valid.

UFO vigilantism will not help the cause, has not helped the cause.

Making excuses doesn't help either...in my opinion

Huh???



"Your using an argument, that contradicts itself when approached logically."

Please explain how my argument contradicts itself when approached logically. - This is what I meant in a previous post about you giving vague answers that don't actually counter the point being made.

[murnut]

Ghost,

I have done all I can do here....at the moment.

You don't get what I am saying.

I will be back, if I feel it is necessary.

I wish you the best

[leeboy]

Originally Posted by TheGhost

Huh???



"Your using an argument, that contradicts itself when approached logically."

Please explain how my argument contradicts itself when approached logically. - This is what I meant in a previous post about you giving vague answers that don't actually counter the point being made.

Ghost, i think your wasting your time and being led up the garden path by this one. Every question asked of him/her (but i feel its a him) is NEVER answered in a straight forward way. Like i tried to point out to him he hasnt actually answered anything thing yet just keeps spouting rehtoric. I bet he/she is a politician or president of the school debate team!!!