2 misconceptions

arcora · 11-01-2008, 10:32 AM

xxx

11-01-2008, 05:48 PM

ghglenn · 11-01-2008, 06:12 PM

Arcora this is the best post I have read on this forum...Thanks for that.
I too feel the same about my path.
Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.

Trishsgate · 11-01-2008, 07:09 PM

Arcora, I am not wishing to argue with you. I do see a few things different or maybe misconceptions on my part, they are still my views until shown differentially.

Spirituality yes religion no and I will tell my beliefs on that one. Too many wars\deaths have been attributed to religious beliefs, the old "my god is better than your god" aspect has ruined it for many as far as religion goes. Another is money how much is given to religious organizations in the name of god when that money should be in teaching about the word and redistributing to the needy instead how much of this lines the pockets of these religious leaders\organizations instead of it's true purpose? Lastly the control\boundaries that religion's place on society if it were to teach morality and integrity it has failed poorly in many circumstances.

Love most do not understand the true word "love" or agape. There again how many have been killed in the name of 'love" by someone without any understanding of the word. Love is a selfless expression not about you but another. I agree with you about how love should be shown it is in deed not anything to do with self at all, you should love yourself but not be in love with self.

This second misconception you speak of I have difficulties with when you say one does not create their own path which is the reality they live in now. Being a "god" has nothing to do with creating your own path. If you make certain choices in life that lead to cra* or contentment whichever be the case are you not creating that reality in and of itself which can be changed by additional choices should you wish to change them. Are not people's choices they make sometimes a necessary evil to teach or guide them on their path? Could these choices that were seen as hardships now be used later in life as a necessary tool, again one's perceptions of what is needed in life. If enough people choose poorly is that in and of itself feasible proof that we have chosen poor decisions and poor leadership\guidance.

One example here. Say a young wealthy teen chooses to go against her families wishes and marry outside the "class" instead she chooses to abandon the structure she had been reared in. She finds many struggles in life but also finds contentment within her own life. Now she not only changed or created a new path but also altered her parents\workers path's as well see how it works. One person's choices sometimes affect many other's. Could go into great detail on this but I will not you get the jest of it.

When our government makes choices are they not steering a course that is either beneficial or non-beneficial for it's people and the people have to adjust to or reject and alter what has just happened. Cause and effect usually are long range effects that appear down the road and many times are not immediately seen nor felt.

As far as war, strife, famine, and misery may be because of the choices of some the people or government. War IMO is started over religion\culture differences in many cases and the rest are to help economies and the wealthy corporations {sic}. Strife there again differences of cultures\views and in many cases someone's making is it not? Famine could be eliminated by people's choices, educating people on personal responsibility and with the religious organizations\government aid to help wipe it out. One question to you and others if I chose to have 15 children is it fair for me to ask you to assist me in rearing them? BTW I do help all I can and will continue to do so until I cannot, which is another question as the belt tightens how many can help other's with their choices in life? Until such time that people take personal responsibility for one's own action's they will never have control over their own lives someone else will decide for them, I prefer to make and guide my own. This prison I agree is temporary. A narrow gate perhaps but there are many ways\lessons to learn to get there.

Peace & Love to you
Trish

11-01-2008, 09:20 PM

arcora · 11-02-2008, 09:58 AM

xxx

Connecting with Sauce · 11-02-2008, 12:53 PM

An excellent thread... I have one correction/observation to your comments

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcora

I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know".

I would say that you don't know what you don't know... but that is nit picking. Or a 3rd option obviously because we could know about something but not yet know it ie not studied it yet but be aware of it.

I think it is a time of doing rather than talking about it... Which I'm starting to realise... My issue is what do you do... I have a multi-fork in my path and I just know the road I'm on now is not the right direction.

I feel the healing road is calling... I'm choosing to delay for some reason. Maybe the next few weeks will add clarity for us all.

Peer · 11-02-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by taomation

Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

Arcora answered:

For the record, I have never claimed to have all the answers - quite the opposite. I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know".

I knew that creating this thread would generate a negative response from certain members and I resisted creating it because I would prefer to avoid comments like yours and others that are sure to follow.

I was asked to do it and I complied. Accept it or reject it - it's up to you.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I don't see where you are attacked here so why answer in such a defensive tone?
I think you made a great post and think taomation made a complementary remark.
That's how I see it.

11-01-2008, 10:32 AM	#1
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: 2 misconceptions xxx Last edited by arcora; 11-12-2008 at 01:10 AM.

11-01-2008, 05:48 PM	#2
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 2 misconceptions Last edited by Alexandra; 11-10-2008 at 02:09 AM.

11-01-2008, 06:12 PM	#3
ghglenn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 107	Re: 2 misconceptions Arcora this is the best post I have read on this forum...Thanks for that. I too feel the same about my path. Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.

11-01-2008, 07:09 PM	#4
Trishsgate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 140	Re: 2 misconceptions Arcora, I am not wishing to argue with you. I do see a few things different or maybe misconceptions on my part, they are still my views until shown differentially. Spirituality yes religion no and I will tell my beliefs on that one. Too many wars\deaths have been attributed to religious beliefs, the old "my god is better than your god" aspect has ruined it for many as far as religion goes. Another is money how much is given to religious organizations in the name of god when that money should be in teaching about the word and redistributing to the needy instead how much of this lines the pockets of these religious leaders\organizations instead of it's true purpose? Lastly the control\boundaries that religion's place on society if it were to teach morality and integrity it has failed poorly in many circumstances. Love most do not understand the true word "love" or agape. There again how many have been killed in the name of 'love" by someone without any understanding of the word. Love is a selfless expression not about you but another. I agree with you about how love should be shown it is in deed not anything to do with self at all, you should love yourself but not be in love with self. This second misconception you speak of I have difficulties with when you say one does not create their own path which is the reality they live in now. Being a "god" has nothing to do with creating your own path. If you make certain choices in life that lead to cra* or contentment whichever be the case are you not creating that reality in and of itself which can be changed by additional choices should you wish to change them. Are not people's choices they make sometimes a necessary evil to teach or guide them on their path? Could these choices that were seen as hardships now be used later in life as a necessary tool, again one's perceptions of what is needed in life. If enough people choose poorly is that in and of itself feasible proof that we have chosen poor decisions and poor leadership\guidance. One example here. Say a young wealthy teen chooses to go against her families wishes and marry outside the "class" instead she chooses to abandon the structure she had been reared in. She finds many struggles in life but also finds contentment within her own life. Now she not only changed or created a new path but also altered her parents\workers path's as well see how it works. One person's choices sometimes affect many other's. Could go into great detail on this but I will not you get the jest of it. When our government makes choices are they not steering a course that is either beneficial or non-beneficial for it's people and the people have to adjust to or reject and alter what has just happened. Cause and effect usually are long range effects that appear down the road and many times are not immediately seen nor felt. As far as war, strife, famine, and misery may be because of the choices of some the people or government. War IMO is started over religion\culture differences in many cases and the rest are to help economies and the wealthy corporations {sic}. Strife there again differences of cultures\views and in many cases someone's making is it not? Famine could be eliminated by people's choices, educating people on personal responsibility and with the religious organizations\government aid to help wipe it out. One question to you and others if I chose to have 15 children is it fair for me to ask you to assist me in rearing them? BTW I do help all I can and will continue to do so until I cannot, which is another question as the belt tightens how many can help other's with their choices in life? Until such time that people take personal responsibility for one's own action's they will never have control over their own lives someone else will decide for them, I prefer to make and guide my own. This prison I agree is temporary. A narrow gate perhaps but there are many ways\lessons to learn to get there. Peace & Love to you Trish

11-01-2008, 09:20 PM	#5
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 2 misconceptions Last edited by Alexandra; 11-10-2008 at 02:10 AM.

11-02-2008, 09:58 AM	#6
arcora Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 696	Re: 2 misconceptions xxx Last edited by arcora; 11-12-2008 at 01:10 AM.

11-02-2008, 01:56 PM	#8
Peer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 261	Re: 2 misconceptions Quote: Originally Posted by taomation Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong. Arcora answered: For the record, I have never claimed to have all the answers - quite the opposite. I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know". I knew that creating this thread would generate a negative response from certain members and I resisted creating it because I would prefer to avoid comments like yours and others that are sure to follow. I was asked to do it and I complied. Accept it or reject it - it's up to you. Don't shoot the messenger. I don't see where you are attacked here so why answer in such a defensive tone? I think you made a great post and think taomation made a complementary remark. That's how I see it. Last edited by Peer; 11-02-2008 at 02:01 PM.

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