CHRISTIANITY and avalon : a question from clark

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Heretic

OK I am still confused,

again I am not attacking, I am just trying to resolve my confusion here. I have done extensive studies on religion in my past and I have never heard of this before.

I always thought a Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.

The word "Christ" comes from Greek Χριστιανός (khristianos), from Χριστός (khristos) meaning "the anointed." In the (Greek) Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible, khristos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

Terms like Christology, Christendom, and Christian were benevolent terms tossed around often before the Church of Alexandria convened the first ecumenical council in Nicaea (scholars argue on Nicaea) in which they wrote their creed.

Do you have any links to show the early use of the word "Christian" as derogatory term as I am very interested, having done alot of study on it as I was once a fanatic and checked out many denominations including alot of protestant platforms as well as some hermital gnostic orders and Eastern Russian Orthodoxy (the purest of the orthodox churches concerning liturgy IMHO) as my favorites.

I am intrigued to know if you belong to an established religion that teaches this, or are you operating under your own interpretations? If your part of an established church I would really like to read up on it, if you could point me to some literature.

and finally what parts of Christianity do you consider incorrect?

peace


PS I hope I am not hijacking this thread as it is a little off topic so PM me plz if you want me to take it private.

Hi Heretic,

You are correct with the information provided. Here are a few links about the term, "Christian."

http://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...christian.html

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/christian.html

http://www.jesusfamilies.org/hot_topics/christian.htm

Notice that Yahushua never called his followers "Christian" in the scriptures. He called them "Disciples," "Brethen," and even "Friend." The term "Christian" was always used by unbelievers or as I call them, "Pagans."

Arcora was correct. I do not want to be labeled similar to the "Christian church" that follow pagan beliefs. Remember to separate yourself from all pagan worship and beliefs. Because if you claim to be a true believer, you MUST separate yourself and stay with the family of spiritual Israel (again, not the current corrupted, physical Israel). Here are some (there are many, many problems with the Christian church) terrible issues with the "Christians."

1. They observe pagan holidays and then call them "Christian" as though they are "holy" or something. Examples: Christmas, Easter, Valentine's Day, Thanksgiving Day, Halloween (yes, Christians follow this Pagan mess as well), ALL holidays are pagan. If you want to follow Yahweh properly, observe His Holy Days 7 times a year plus His weekly Sabbaths.

2. Holy Trinity - There is nothing "holy" about this doctrine. All trinities are of pagan origin. Do your research. The Holy Spirit is NOT a separate god or something. It's the Spirit of Yahweh. Father Yahweh is the ONLY ONE who begat a Son...his name is Yahushua who enforces the laws and commandments of our Father. Yes, Yahushua is our elder brother, master, high priest, and the sacrificial lamb. The Catholic Church worships a "Holy Trinity." Enough said.

3. Sunday Sabbath and Worship - Sunday is the first day of the week. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. Check your Gregorian Calendar. Notice that it is called SUN-Day. Pagans dating back all the way to Egypt and Rome worship the Sun god Baal. This was introduced by the Catholic Church. Notice the trend?

4. "Christians" worship and praise the cross. It's an image...read your ten commandments again. Again, the Catholic Church worships images all over the place. And yes, they also introduced wearing and sanctifying the cross.

5. Greek names - Ok, this is the big one. Why do "Christians" use greek names of the son, and just call our Father, "God" and "Lord" ALL the time? Do you realize how important His name is? Do you want to be called "The Busboy" all your life, instead of by your name? Did you know that "Lord" means "Baal?"

Well, there are MANY more doctrines that are just pagan in nature. I can go on for months.

I belong to NO religious group. I am an Israelite who was grafted unto the Olive Tree of Israel by Father Yahweh, for He chose me and I chose Him afterwards. I was then sent to Yahushua to be trained and mentored by the ONLY and GREATEST Master of Heaven and Earth. Through Yahushua's sacrifice, I am now the Son of Yahweh AND part of the Royal Priesthood from the Kingdom of Yahweh. I am from one of the twelve tribes of Israel and sealed with my Father's name on my forehead forever and forever. My hands do the works of Yahweh, my heart yields ALL love to Him, and my mind bears the set-apart Name of Yahweh to fulfill His will on Earth.

Finally, all interpretations of scripture during my studies are done by my Father's Spirit. The Bible is NOT for private interpretation.

-Phillip

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by ctophil

Hi Heretic,

You are correct with the information provided. Here are a few links about the term, "Christian."

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Finally, all interpretations of scripture during my studies are done by my Father's Spirit. The Bible is NOT for private interpretation.

-Phillip

aahhhh, ok noow I understand

My problem was that I have barely even glanced at the NIV Bible. When it came out I kinda rolled my eyes and said to myself "another one?" I compared the passages from the NIV to the KJV and i feel I have missed the boat on this, but it matters not. You have answered my question friend with links and something for me to take a deeper look into when the urge arises. That is exactly what I asked for.

I also agree with your fine points comparing modern Christianity with paganism and I am in total agreement. I am curious if you follow a combination of the Mosaic law with the laws of Abraham then? Kinda reminds me of the "World Wide Church of God" beliefs but there are a few others out there that do this as well.

Don't get me wrong, I am not Christian either, but I believe I am far removed from your version of not being Christian. Its all good as there are infinite paths to that which is infinite. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions so thoroughly.

good times

peace

PS - I got a really big kick out of the Ebonic Bible, I so wish I had bought when it came out because now I cant find it anywhere. Have been looking for a PDF of it for a long time.

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Heretic

I also agree with your fine points comparing modern Christianity with paganism and I am in total agreement. I am curious if you follow a combination of the Mosaic law with the laws of Abraham then? Kinda reminds me of the "World Wide Church of God" beliefs but there are a few others out there that do this as well.

I follow all of the old and new testament. The Torah (first five books of Moses), which is the Mosiac laws you referred to, I follow it completely. Yahushua followed all of Yahweh's laws and commandments perfectly, including the Torah.

The Church of God and the Messianic Jews are close to following true doctrine. But they lack or add onto Yahweh's laws at certain points. You are not to add nor remove anything from the Word of Yahweh. So I consider them false as well, since they follow some of man's commandments. That reminds me, modern Judaism is also a false religion in case you guys are wondering.

-Phillip

[clarkkent]

a reminder; i started this thread to see peoples backrounds and discussion about why that might lead them to Ufology and this forum.

lets not have this tilt towards telling people the "true" way of anything. your beliefs are true for you and no one else, if i wanted to preach my beliefs i would have started a thread about "my" truth, but i didnt because i dont need to. as long as someone a good person i could care less what they believed.