CHRISTIANITY and avalon : a question from clark

[norman]

Originally Posted by Luigis Mushroom

Truth comes from within,

Who Says ? !

n.

[clarkkent]

so i guess the answer is : there are a LOT of christians/former christians here.
havent heard from jews, hindu's,buddhists or muslims (nor are the lots of threads with references to their beliefs-only christians it seems, interesting)

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

so i guess the answer is : there are a LOT of christians/former christians here.
havent heard from jews, hindu's,buddhists or muslims (nor are the lots of threads with references to their beliefs-only christians it seems, interesting)

I would have to agree with you there Clark

most eastern religions are very compatible with the new ideologies coming to light in the last 30 years, even the alien viewpoint meshes well from the studies I have done, it is merely a translation of labels

in my eyes, this can also be done with Christianity too if you remove the concepts of original sin, Christ being the "only" way, and obedience out of fear

even when you take into account the composite character of Jesus concept, it is still an enlightening journey and I believe this is why that archetype has been used so much, even if there is some negative twists to it

I haven't seen alot of Jewish representation here either, but I figure a fundamentalist Jew would not be here in the first place, and I suspect the same about Islamism

I am still kinda shocked to see fundamentalist Christianity here and I would really like to read some positive ideas on how they mesh their beliefs with these conspiracy theories

great thread Clark, thanks for starting it

peace

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by norman

[In response to Luigis Mushroom's comment that "the truth is within"... norman replied... "Who says? !"

Who says? Jesus says.

What modern christians don't highlight much is that Jesus made a lot of statements denouncing the false priesthood who had positioned themselves between the people and their 'God'. He called the pharisees and saducees "hypocrites", "blind leaders", "false prophets", "wolves in sheep's clothing" and "sons of the devil". He compared them to "whited sepulchers full of dead men's bones".

Jesus' true message was that the key to salvation (vibrational self- elevation) is NOT the outer religion. The true key to self knowledge is that we enter the 'kingdom of God' which is the christ-consciousness or spiritual- Self. That is why Jesus said:

"The 'kingdom of heaven' is within you"

And...

"Woe unto ye lawyers!
For you have taken away the key of (self) knowledge;
Ye entered not in yourselves, (into the inner kingdom)
and those who were entering in, ye hindered".

Also...

"He that is in you (the spiritual- Self)
Is greater than he that is in the world" (the lower-ego and those who embody it)

The "kingdom" is within you because it is a state of consciousness. Jesus had realised his inner oneness with all life so he was well qualified to teach his disciples about this 'state of consciousness' and to teach the multitude by using the "kingdom of heaven" parable:

"To the multitudes he spake not without a parable
but to his disciples, he expounded all things"

The inner-consciousness is the key that the 'lawyers' had taken away. Jesus fearlessly pointed that out to them and that is what got him killed. The false priesthood were terrified of losing their power over the people, who, if they could realise the inner-spirit as the source of truth, would not need the priesthood or any other external mediators.

Nothing has really changed in that regard as the fundamentalist christian churches have degenerated into an exact replica of that phony old system that the pharisees and saducees used to rule and enslave the people. And other suspicious facsimilies are springing up around it, ie the 'crystal skulls', alien saviors in UFOs etc etc...

If Jesus was in the grave he'd be rolling in it. But he's not. He is a spiritual adept (having self-realised the inner 'kingdom") and like others who've attained spiritual self-mastery he has transcended the cycle of karma and re-incarnation and ascended to his origin in spirit. The "shift" that everyone's talking about happens to individuals at different times as each overcomes the lower-ego and transcends the re-incarnational cyle.

Jesus said:

"Be of good cheer
I have overcome the world" (the worldly consciousness of the lower-ego in myself)

He is really saying:

If I can overcome the world (by self-realisation of the Christ)
then so can you (because the same Christ spirit is in you)

[milk and honey]

Sorry Clark i just saw your post above mine. I just thought it was important to properly represent Jesus' true message because so many people dismiss a distortion which is 180 degrees from the truth. Jesus is saying basically what you're saying in many of your posts.
Christians have misunderstood him -- and misunderstand you no doubt -- and that is no accident.