Airport admits 'strip search' body scanners WILL show people naked

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by paul1980

If you can not stand that someone else sees your wife naked, that is something, with all the respect, that is a concern of your wife and not of yours. it is her choise and not yours, if she chooses yes what do you wish to do about that? you are all individual humans, none of you should be even trying to control another, there is no need.

This is not only an invasion of privacy but also control. Excuse me, why is this not my concern? I am her husband, and we must both be concerned about it. If you have any obedience for the Bible and the 10 commandments, than you ARE NOT allowed to see any other man's wife naked. It is an abomination and a form of adultery! And I agree! This is not a feminist agenda (although this agenda is another means of controlling and manipulating anger & hatred against each other, like the white/black thing) where she is the only one making a decision. Are you even married? If so, then you should know what I'm talking about.

-Phillip

[paul1980]

Originally Posted by ctophil

This is not only an invasion of privacy but also control. Excuse me, why is this not my concern? I am her husband, and we must both be concerned about it. If you have any obedience for the Bible and the 10 commandments, than you ARE NOT allowed to see any other man's wife naked. It is an abomination and a form of adultery! And I agree! This is not a feminist agenda (although this agenda is another means of controlling and manipulating anger & hatred against each other, like the white/black thing) where she is the only one making a decision. Are you even married? If so, then you should know what I'm talking about.

-Phillip

Phillip, the way we see is mostly decided by the way we are raised and all the input that we got, it is not the way that we can truely see.
How i look at things is hard to explain since everything has a meaning in such a way that you wil perceive it only in that way that you have been "programmed" to.

I am going to be unified/bonded/married soon, we are together a long time already, and yes i know how you feel, but i also know, for me that is not a real feeling, it is a human made programmed feeling.

Even if we would see someone naked, in fact we on this point never see that someone really naked. We must learn to see beyond flesh and materials.
Also in a bond of agreement like a mariage you will still be individuals off equal hights, every man and woman must make their own choises in life how foolish they might seem to one another, otherwise one can never learn.
All Humans have the capabillity to eventually develope a sence of their own, they will learn by themselves and be greater beings at some point.

The 10 rules might not be how you "see" them, it is all in ones perception really.
A word is also an image, but yet you write read and speak a name.
And sometimes we MUST make mistakes, and then know how Foolish we were to do such a thing.

Anyway, i would love a talk about our views, but we should continue this in PM or on the spiritual posts, since we would be going off topic.
Do not be angry, and please do not feel attacked, it is not my intention.

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by paul1980

Phillip, the way we see is mostly decided by the way we are raised and all the input that we got, it is not the way that we can truely see.
How i look at things is hard to explain since everything has a meaning in such a way that you wil perceive it only in that way that you have been "programmed" to.

I am going to be unified/bonded/married soon, we are together a long time already, and yes i know how you feel, but i also know, for me that is not a real feeling, it is a human made programmed feeling.

Even if we would see someone naked, in fact we on this point never see that someone really naked. We must learn to see beyond flesh and materials.
Also in a bond of agreement like a mariage you will still be individuals off equal hights, every man and woman must make their own choises in life how foolish they might seem to one another, otherwise one can never learn.
All Humans have the capabillity to eventually develope a sence of their own, they will learn by themselves and be greater beings at some point.

The 10 rules might not be how you "see" them, it is all in ones perception really.
A word is also an image, but yet you write read and speak a name.
And sometimes we MUST make mistakes, and then know how Foolish we were to do such a thing.

Anyway, i would love a talk about our views, but we should continue this in PM or on the spiritual posts, since we would be going off topic.
Do not be angry, and please do not feel attacked, it is not my intention.

Hi Paul,

I just know that my wife wouldn't like other people to see me naked either. So we are mutual in that respect. Because within a couple's relationship, we are to keep each other's body sacred within the sanctity of marriage. I am only angry at the people who orchestrated this "security" propaganda machine. And one day, when Yahushua (the Son of God, also known as Jesus) comes, the nightmare that we are experiencing will end once and for all.

-Phillip

[THE eXchanger]

well; i do NOT have anything i should hide

however, i think this is a little "over the top"
and, it is happening "down under"

geez; makes a person want to find a place to call home
and, stop travelling

i hate the airport
& living out of a suitcase lifestyle

i detest heading south for 1 week
and, then returning to canada to freeze to death
for the rest of a winter ...
although, if i stay in the winter,
i kind of enjoy it, and, do love to ski

wish i knew where to find somewhere
that has great weather year round
maybe, i will become an english teacher
and, go to south america

NOT sure, why i am NOT being guided to leave here yet ?

maybe, it's because all my american friends
will stampede here ???

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[Average Joe]

Places with great all year round weather = Southern California (but you're sitting on a timebomb called the San Andreas fault), Florida (hurricane threats and alligators), Canary Islands (Volcanos ready to go pop), erm Bermuda (I suppose I should mention the triangle)

Hmmm.

Stay in Canada it can't be that bad. Besides, extreme winter cold kills airborne viruses.

[Phtha]

The sad thing is that instead of taking action against what I consider a huge invasion of privacy,
especially considering the false and hyped terrorism threat which is the main
reason they give for the scanners in the first place,
the only real difference that will probably occur is a huge increase in the number of job applications
for the security team that checks these.

[paul1980]

Phillip:
The Nightmare could end on that very moment that more and more people choose it too be, "A" only has power as long as "A" has followers.

eXchanger:
You do not always have to be guided somewhere, sometimes you have to make that step yourself, maybe a fear of the unknown deep inside is the reason that you are not guided.

Average Joe:
Cold weather kills some airborne viruses, and some will be killed by the hot wetter because of the protein layer around them that keeps them alive will "melt" and the viruses will move on. But yes, ebola etc are so called jungle deceases.

Phtha:
In this world we live in, unfortunatly people need that sick idea of money because they do not fully understand who they are, so therefore people need work, the people doing that work are also human beings that only do it in order to feed themselves, they do not hurt you, they not steal from you, (at least the most) they are also just trying to survive in a way.
Try to see individuals there, you never know who or what they really are unless you ask and be friends.
And actually, these machines are designed for minimum staff, staff is money is lower profits.
Terrorism is a unknown unagreed word, also in a way, these spreading of fear and doom are also terrorists them selves, they spread fear by any means they want to achieve their goals, terrorism does not have to be violant it just has to create fear, this fear gives power.

Anyway, these are my points of view on how i view things today, it is not meant as a personal attack, it is just my view for now, i might think different when i learn something new.

Do not let these things devide us, do not hate others, do not hate at all, everyone has a story of their own in some way, and unless we become one, we have no idea what that story is.

[Angel of the Mists]

Originally Posted by paul1980

, terrorism does not have to be violant it just has to create fear, this fear gives power.

.

Hello! What an interesting thread....and what I experienced as I read it was how important our values and beliefs appear to be.
Paul, I really resonated with the quote from you above. That is so true. And we can all read it (fear) here, on this forum, and experience it in different ways ourselves. I find myself thinking....'guys, we all create our own realities'. I want to say, 'let's not give fear any power over us...because we have intention on our side'.

I believe we do have a choice in how we respond to any of these things, and we need to look behind the reactions that these things bring up for each of us and learn more about ourselves.

And yes..... I have been afraid and may well be afraid again, but that is just an old pattern of behaviour. I can choose not to be....and create a different reality.

Love to you all, Angel

[vesta]

Hi all,

at this point in time here in Australia we've been told that TPTB are in the 'trialling phase' of this product........ we still have a choice as to which method of screening we elect to take.

Personally I would much rather semi-strip in a queue and place all metal objects, mobile, belts, shoes etc and bags onto trays to be put through an x-ray machine and then go thru the gateway device as we already do, that is much less invasive than this new technology.

As a female I do not have faith in the system that says they cannot match a face to a body and when it's that time of the mth if a woman still needs to travel I believe she shouldn't be put thru any extra duress as your emotions tend to be more sensitive then anyways, it is a violation of privacy no matter how much we are told how great the technology is! I can assure others in this thread my husband would also be affronted for me on this issue, (and this comes from a mutual respect), he cares about my personal wellbeing and he has sat here next to me reading all the posts this morning, (if anyone wishes to deride that can we pls leave it off this thread....)

Oh and by the way, nobody has bothered to mention the thought of how much radiation we might be exposed to each time we go through one of these marvels of new technology, for those that travel frequently does this set you up for other problems down the track with high exposure rates? Just throwing the questions out there for someone in the industry to perhaps answer for us all!

No fear factor for me just want to maintain my abundant freewill in choosing what I expose myself to!

Blessings to all for participating in this lively discussion,

Vesta.

[deb003]

I still don't know how to start a thread but I thought this was new worthy.
I am glad people are expressing their views and fighting back.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Col...6051917&page=1

[Soulmate7]

Originally Posted by deb003

I still don't know how to start a thread

Hi Deb,

If you want to start a new thread in this folder (for example), go here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12
Then click on "New Topic".

I hope this helps. Apologies for the off topic post.