Zeitgeist: Project Venus Pioneers

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Greycat

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

[Jeff Delano]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

[Truth voice 2012]

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Truth voice 2012

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

Welcome on this challenging Path, Truth voice 2012; your spirituality, thoughts, commitment and skills would be very needed.
But it looks like you are rather a Quick One; with your energy generator you have already taken some sound lead with regard to the individual steps towards the realization of Project Venus, namely point 4 - A/ Preliminaries: Actions for Social Transformation (individual Self Commitment).
[...]

4- Boycott The Energy Companies
-) Move to Clean Energy; make Your Home and Car Self Sustainable.

[...]
Bravo!

Looking forward to your assessment of the tasks ahead and to your contribution on other areas at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy, in section 'General Discussion'.

Martian31v,
We are only trying to set the basis by expressing our will to take upon the challenge, by testing the faisability, in practical and human sense, of the whole project.
There are obviously enough questions we will try to answer as satisfactory as Humanly possible as we smoothly move forward and we would certainly need all our Spirit, heart and mind to respond to the logistical and purely Spiritual requirements of Project Venus.
NorthernSantuary,
I can only agree with you: it is highly dialectical.


Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[martian31v]

i am very excited about the zeitgeist/venus project. but there are many fundamental problems with transitioning into a resource based economy that is acceptable to a large base of individuals. what is the means/process of distribution? how does citizen 1 get food, citizen 2 clothing, ect??? there has to be a means of exchange. the LETS system (wiki: local exchange trading systems) can address some of these problems, and without the use of money or accumulation of wealth. but this system runs into problems when trying to include higher end items (cars,houses,vacations,ect) we need to focus on systems of distribution that do not accumulate wealth, and provide us a high standard of living. i dont want to live on a farm and trade fruit for heating oil. i want to live in a technologically advanced society where wealth and prosperity is shared equally. how do we get there from here? great thread btw, martian31v

[NorthernSanctuary]

I remember in the sixties when the promise of technology to give more time to people was part of the promise of the future. Robots would do housework, do the farming to grow food, etc. Technologically this is feasible and within our grasp. What has happened, inspite of the immense advances in computers, AI, is that we have much less free time, always rushing like crazy, and our quality of life is decreased to an extend where all we want is to try to stay above water.

The present big challenge is to find a process, a way to transition to a society where the physical needs of food, shelter are met, and we have more free time to work on our mental/ spiritual aspects. The established powers do not want this, so making a successful transition is a "big" job. If it has a chance to succeed, it will be because the exisiting infrastructure will collapse from its own weight, and this new network of Avalon communities is organised enough to be built up. This is my assessment of our present situation and the challenge we face.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Jeff Delano

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

[RaKaR]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by RaKaR

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?

To put it simply, we should wait for the right opportunity.
Whatever that might be.

We've all got ideas I'm sure.