Project avalon 2.. Are you havin a laugh?

[JesterTerrestrial]

so here we are...

your avalon 2 is already running...

by invitation only...i was told i was invited...i have not received anything...

many members have already jumped ship...

others are swimming for shore...

you have split this community up...

What i'm not on the guest list anymore seeing as how I am standing for truth???

Hmmmmm....

SO,,,anyone else think that

SOMETHINGS GOING ON!!!

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

so here we are...

your avalon 2 is already running...

by invitation only...i was told i was invited...i have not received anything...

many members have already jumped ship...

others are swimming for shore...

you have split this community up...

What i'm not on the guest list anymore seeing as how I am standing for truth???

Hmmmmm....

SO,,,anyone else think that

SOMETHINGS GOING ON!!!

JT, this is the 4th time I have posted this...

There are 6800 odd members, we are compiling contact names, e-mail addys, ips ect, to invite, a huge job.

Again I say: there are very few members who wont be invited due to persistent unconstructive behavior as per Bill Ryans request and vision for the forum.

Please be patient, a lot of work to do!

Also, we are slowly bringing on members to help 'iron out any bugs' , now, you can imagine 6000+ members all registering at once?

Plz mate, think about it and stop with the 'somethings going on' routine.

I am looking forward to seeing you there! I have already said this to you yet you choose to ignore what I say?

Sincerely

Ross H

[JesterTerrestrial]

Originally Posted by Ross H

JT, this is the 4th time I have posted this...

There are 6800 odd members, we are compiling contact names, e-mail addys, ips ect, to invite, a huge job.

Again I say: there are very few members who wont be invited due to persistent unconstructive behavior as per Bill Ryans request and vision for the forum.

Please be patient, a lot of work to do!

Also, we are slowly bringing on members to help 'iron out any bugs' , now, you can imagine 6000+ members all registering at once?

Plz mate, think about it and stop with the 'somethings going on' routine.

I am looking forward to seeing you there! I have already said this to you yet you choose to ignore what I say?

Sincerely

Ross H

Hi Ross,

I would not really say its a routine. I'm telling you...that the way things are going down is not normal. The problems is with INTEGRITY!!!

And now I have been around this place looking like a total lunatic trying to find out what the heck happened! What is happening! So that we can move into the future as a team!!! And you along with the rest of the members can do what ever you want.

So far the response from the team has been to just stfu and move on!

well how are we going to be the leaders of new peaceful earth if we can not even have trust amongst ourselves. I am mystified! Why well i just can not help myself! Now perhaps there is no problem and I am just an over the top ironic fool. I do not think so.

I am all for moving ahead! I got emails asking me IS IT GO TIME YET!!!

but I say no! What happens if it comes time again ... are you gonna get misted on the spot!!! What about anyone else!!! Even Swanny is afarid to talk...and he has had lots to say in the past.

So let this be a lesson to you all.

There is a thread with a VOTE!!! About keeping it the same!!!

Yet there has been no response!!!

LAUNCHING AVALON 2 SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPECIAL!!!

MAGICAL!!!

IT IS NOT!!!

ITS LIKE A FORCED MICROSOFT UPGRADE!!!

The old forum along with some friends have been hung out to dry!

Don't like it!!! POOF!!!

DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER POOF!!!

As I said. i do not have all the answers. Just a lot of visions!

I got 5000+ posts here...some of them I am not proud of!

Many of them are totally flippin awesome

Yet I will not just go on until I know that the team has learned from this, as jack said, utter disgrace and comes up with a system so it can not happen again.

Now i understand that trolls and agents are a problem.

I have given enough of them the beat down!!! I do not want to go on about this forever...this is the worst I have felt in years! Correct me if I am wrong but it dose not appear that we have learned anything from this yet!

That is all i have to say...for now. And i just had to say it.

Peace and with Respect

For the love of Avalon and all her friends!!!

[NancyV]

Jester, judging from many of your posts (which I have greatly enjoyed) I would think you are comfortable riding the waves of chaos. To me change is a lot of fun and the fact that Avalon is changing is very exciting. I have no clue if it will be better or if I will like it as much so I must wait to let it unfold before I make any assumptions.

I voted that we NOT keep this forum the same. It has already been decided to make these changes by those who make the decisions and I support their decision. I don't think voting will mean anything in the long run because it's already well along in the changeover to the new forum, and this forum is not a democracy. It's more along the lines of a benevolent dictatorship, which is actually about the best structure a forum on the Internet can take, in my opinion. I seriously doubt they would stop the plans and halt progress on what must have been in the planning stages for a while. I suppose I voted only to try to balance out the votes that said YES to keeping things as they are. I was sure there would be more YES votes and I like being somewhat of a contrarian upon occasion.

Adapting quickly to any and all changes is good practice for travelling in other dimensions and times. Resistance is futile!!

Nancy

[Ross H]

JT,

I fully understand your concerns, sincerely i do.

Av2 has been worked on for over 3 months, it was always going to be moved so to provide a better forum. More bandwidth and techie stuff ect...


An 'improvement' was the agenda from the begining for all the members and staff. (Bills vision) The timing of smurfs, infiltration, lead to the volunteer mods and admins trying to come together on the same page as 'how to deal with it all' (the last month in particular)... Remember when it was sub, we had very few probs, going free was always going to be a hard task to keep the forum vibrant and positive. We opened the doors and thats when the trouble started...period. Also BIll and Kerry were not in alignment with each other for over a year...this is just the cause and effect of change...I have struggled to stay neutral thru all of this, regardless of my personal opinion, sacrifice for being a mod.

Please take assurance that we have learnt a great deal of late, yes there have been mistakes...we are learning from them just like everybody else.

From the begining of PA/PC, it has been 'learn as you go' and 'hope to get it right'.

All i really know for sure is that i can only control my own being! However I believe in Bills vision and gave him my support. This is why Im still here.


Sincerely

Ross H

[no caste]

Ross H - The timing of smurfs, infiltration, lead to the volunteer mods and admins trying to come together on the same page as 'how to deal with it all' (the last month in particular)...

Hey, Ross. Who are the smurfs exactly?

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Ross H

Please take assurance that we have learnt a great deal of late, yes there have been mistakes...we are learning from them just like everybody else.

Thank you for saying that Ross. That does help. I wonder if you could answer some of the questions from my last post?

Originally Posted by no caste

Who are the smurfs exactly?

Exactly? Hmm thats's a tough one. They claim to be some sort of angelic aliens here to destroy the earth, and they call themselves smurfs .

Their home is an old offshoot of pa, astrovera forum, run by an old member from here, acora.

[Carol]

JT, I think you are spot on when you claim the problem is with integrity and it starts at the top with the founders. Once again, Bill is unavailable with no welcoming message, no mission statement, or any word what-so-ever on PA2. Where is the captain of the ship?

I'm also very confused about Project Light Warrior as they want folks for games and portals.

Coming here to this forum is like watching a train wreck. Helping out at a new forum also has its challenges no matter where that forum is just because folks are so diverse and at so many levels of awareness and understanding. And the intention behind each forum is very different from each other.

I honestly don't think that Bill or Kerry were ever commited to this forum other then the idea to have it happen and help with the creative process in the design. This is clearly evident with respect to how involved they are "not." They are still very involved with what it takes to do Camelot and that really doesn't leave much time to participate on a forum as compared to the many members who do have time to be on the net.

What astonishes me is that this forum has almost 7,000 members. Where are they? What do they think? Personally, I'm sorry to see the hundreds if not thousands of hours the many, many volunteers put in to making this forum so full of great information come to an end. Some threads will be moved over to AV2 but what happens to PLW? I suspect over time all of this will eventually be sorted out but currently the hoopla and phoney rah, rah is a bit much.

If this is any example of how Bill runs his ship when he is involved heaven help AV2. The Captain needs to be there or the whole thing will eventually turn into yet another train wreck.

These almost 7,000 members have some choices to make if they wish to continue to be involved with PA at some level. They can join all of the forums and be a bit spread out. They can go with just one forum. They can just back up and drop it all together. This transition is about choices and the choice about staying here is not an option.

Let's look at this from another perspective as well. Let's look at earthchanges and ground crews who are networking. Those who accept this as a real possibility have taken steps to take care of themselves. If someone sees a tornado coming the smart thing to do is to relocate to a safe space. In this fourm's case it's a train wreck. The more aware members will have already found a safe place ~ while others will be checking out multiple other places rather then worrying about whether they will be rejected and not recieve an invitation to AV2. As I see it one can be pro-active and take control or be reactive and whine. Irrespective of how the choice plays itself, this forum is coming to an end.

Meanwhile, the many members are going through and adjustment period. Particularly the ones who were comfortable the way things were here. Personally, I've not been all that comfortable since almost day 1, yet did find things I could do here which made me happy.

It's all a matter of perspective JT. I think you understand better then most just exactly what has happened here. And let's be clear, part of the problem has absolutley nothing to do with any personality or group of personalities. It has to do with the technical difficulties related to running this particular forum. It is time for a change... it has to change if it is going to survive.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Originally Posted by Carol

JT, I think you are spot on when you claim the problem is with integrity and it starts at the top with the founders. Once again, Bill is unavailable with no welcoming message, no mission statement, or any word what-so-ever on PA2. Where is the captain of the ship?

I'm also very confused about Project Light Warrior as they want folks for games and portals.

Coming here to this forum is like watching a train wreck. Helping out at a new forum also has its challenges no matter where that forum is just because folks are so diverse and at so many levels of awareness and understanding. And the intention behind each forum is very different from each other.

I honestly don't think that Bill or Kerry were ever commited to this forum other then the idea to have it happen and help with the creative process in the design. This is clearly evident with respect to how involved they are "not." They are still very involved with what it takes to do Camelot and that really doesn't leave much time to participate on a forum as compared to the many members who do have time to be on the net.

What astonishes me is that this forum has almost 7,000 members. Where are they? What do they think? Personally, I'm sorry to see the hundreds if not thousands of hours the many, many volunteers put in to making this forum so full of great information come to an end. Some threads will be moved over to AV2 but what happens to PLW? I suspect over time all of this will eventually be sorted out but currently the hoopla and phoney rah, rah is a bit much.

If this is any example of how Bill runs his ship when he is involved heaven help AV2. The Captain needs to be there or the whole thing will eventually turn into yet another train wreck.

These almost 7,000 members have some choices to make if they wish to continue to be involved with PA at some level. They can join all of the forums and be a bit spread out. They can go with just one forum. They can just back up and drop it all together. This transition is about choices and the choice about staying here is not an option.

Let's look at this from another perspective as well. Let's look at earthchanges and ground crews who are networking. Those who accept this as a real possibility have taken steps to take care of themselves. If someone sees a tornado coming the smart thing to do is to relocate to a safe space. In this fourm's case it's a train wreck. The more aware members will have already found a safe place ~ while others will be checking out multiple other places rather then worrying about whether they will be rejected and not recieve an invitation to AV2. As I see it one can be pro-active and take control or be reactive and whine. Irrespective of how the choice plays itself, this forum is coming to an end.

Meanwhile, the many members are going through and adjustment period. Particularly the ones who were comfortable the way things were here. Personally, I've not been all that comfortable since almost day 1, yet did find things I could do here which made me happy.

It's all a matter of perspective JT. I think you understand better then most just exactly what has happened here. And let's be clear, part of the problem has absolutley nothing to do with any personality or group of personalities. It has to do with the technical difficulties related to running this particular forum. It is time for a change... it has to change if it is going to survive.

Thank you Carol! Now were getting somewhere!

Please see this page of posts. Specially For You Avalon Lovers

ABLE TO LOVE PAGE 178
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...13463&page=178

[JesterTerrestrial]

THE MERLIN IS LEAVING THE ISLAND!!!

PEACE!!! UNTIL WE GET IT!!! EVEN @ AVALON!!!

JESTERTERRESTRIAL - MA'AT

[Fredkc]

Yesterday morning: 18 members, and about 20 posts.

As of this evening:
Project Avalon 2 Community Forum Statistics:
Threads: 161
Posts: 474
Members:114

So many, making so much noise using
* No information,
* Bad information,
* Whatever comes into their head.

Ross spoke the truth, as best as I know it. The truth is enough.

Covering it up with a bunch of silly stuff won't change it, either.

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

Yesterday morning: 18 members, and about 20 posts.

As of this evening:
Project Avalon 2 Community Forum Statistics:
Threads: 161
Posts: 474
Members:114

"...and thanks for all the fish."

Thanks Fred,

and 2moro there will many more and then an exponential surge in members as we send out all the invites...

[Karen]

This post deserves reposting:

Originally Posted by Fredkc

Yesterday morning: 18 members, and about 20 posts.

As of this evening:
Project Avalon 2 Community Forum Statistics:
Threads: 161
Posts: 474
Members:114

So many, making so much noise using
* No information,
* Bad information,
* Whatever comes into their head.

Ross spoke the truth, as best as I know it. The truth is enough.

Covering it up with a bunch of silly stuff won't change it, either.

[Kristoffer]

My questions is pretty simple:

Why do i want to join project avalon 2.0 ? Just to be steard in beliving one thing? To agree with bill ? or what?

I might agree with bill on some things. But some is in my view just pure bs. And i cant state that i feel hes wrong cause this would upset him or what?

Is this nazigermany on the internet or is this a free forum where we can discuss our different views?

im starting to get serisoly worried.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Kristoffer

My questions is pretty simple:

Why do i want to join project avalon 2.0 ? Just to be steard in beliving one thing? To agree with bill ? or what?

I might agree with bill on some things. But some is in my view just pure bs. And i cant state that i feel hes wrong cause this would upset him or what?

Is this nazigermany on the internet or is this a free forum where we can discuss our different views?

im starting to get serisoly worried.

Please stop all this over the top level of exaggerating about the changes to PA2. It will basically be the same as this forum with a few minor changes.

I said above that you can disagree as long as it is done respectfully. If you join and find yourself truly disappointed you can leave.