To the founders of Avalon2: Think and feel!

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Will humour be allowed at PA2 or have the NFO (new forum order) decided against any form of gaiety??

So far it seems as though it will be a very serious place with no hope of fun

This is very serious question, dear Swanny, indeed.
Thank you.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Oliver

This is very serious question, dear Swanny, indeed.
Thank you.

Read your opening post to the thread.
I havent read the rules of Av1 never mind AV2.
Not a rule person but a heart person.
When some one who is as respected as Mudra is voices concern then I take heed.
I also have the greatest respect for you as well Oliver.
Time being I sit on the fence but lean in the direction of the very valid sentiments of your first post.

Regards
Chris

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Read your opening post to the thread.
I havent read the rules of Av1 never mind AV2.
Not a rule person but a heart person.
When some one who is as respected as Mudra is voices concern then I take heed.
I also have the greatest respect for you as well Oliver.
Time being I sit on the fence but lean in the direction of the very valid sentiments of your first post.

Regards
Chris

Chris, you know I respect you very much.
I expressed my concern.
Thank you for your understanding.
We must appeal to Bill to think again.

Love&Respect

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Chris, you know I respect you very much.
I expressed my concern.
Thank you for your understanding.
We must appeal to Bill to think again.

Love&Respect

Listen folks.
Cant we organize a petition on the forum
Very simple.
Keep Avalon as it is warts and all
Yes or no.
I dont know how but my vote is a yes.

No point talking lets do something

Chris

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Listen folks.
Cant we organize a petition on the forum
Very simple.
Keep Avalon as it is warts and all
Yes or no.
I dont know how but my vote is a yes.

No point talking lets do something

Chris

Agree Chris, a new thread-petition should be opened...Please, do it Chris, it is your proposal.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Agree Chris, a new thread-petition should be opened...Please, do it Chris, it is your proposal.

Dont know how but Im up for it.
Not being negative but a lot of work has gone into the new so Bill whom I respect has no need to accede to any poll
Chris

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Dont know how but Im up for it.
Not being negative but a lot of work has gone into the new so Bill whom I respect has no need to accede to any poll
Chris

Let us hope, Chris.
I also believe Bill is a man of soul.
He need to have a broader vision.
He have a possibility to lead the most beautiful group on internet in a way that made this group so beautiful.


Greetings.

[SteveX]

Oliver

I’ve just read those rules. They are not far off most forum rules. Seems to me they have covered all the bases with the exception of one (below*). I think that the rule are fair and still leaves plenty of leeway. It’s basically about common sense curtsey and reasonable posting etiquette.

There would have to be a real Hitler of a moderator that would abuse these rules but they do set clear guidelines for all Mods to work off. I think if the Mods were heavy handed then the site would be a ghost town in short Time. It’s too early to say how things pan out but everyone should give it a fair go.


*There needs to be guidance to discourage un-provable claims of being psychically attacked.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by SteveX

Oliver

I’ve just read those rules. They are not far off most forum rules. Seems to me they have covered all the bases with the exception of one (below*). I think that the rule are fair and still leaves plenty of leeway. It’s basically about common sense curtsey and reasonable posting etiquette.

There would have to be a real Hitler of a moderator that would abuse these rules but they do set clear guidelines for all Mods to work off. I think if the Mods were heavy handed then the site would be a ghost town in short Time. It’s too early to say how things pan out but everyone should give it a fair go.


*There needs to be guidance to discourage un-provable claims of being psychically attacked.

Steve,

Every rule can be interpreted this or that way. I hope you know the proverb: Laws doesn`t means Justice!
I expressed my feeling about too much rules, and the possibility to misus them.

Why don`t you think what the lack of personal pages means (see my opening post)...it is essential for me!

I respect your position. You want to give a chance to Avalon2. It is OK.I want it too, but with the elements that made Avalon such a great place.

Love&Respect

[greybeard]

Ok Ive put the Poll up.

Now being very blunt.
Vote with your fingers NOW.
or the chance to vote will disappear rapidly of the front page

Yes just means keeping this forum with the adequate rules there are.
It does not mean that AV2 should be abandoned.

A no vote will mean the end to posting here.

Regards
Chris

[Oliver]

Thank you, Chris.
You did a good job.
So, Avalonians, let us see YOU!

[TRANCOSO]

Actually it would be a splendid idea to keep Avalon(ogy) 2 purely academic & scientific.

And keep Avalon 1 as it was.

The past few days we have seen an almost complete abscence of Mods.
Nobody crossed any lines of decency, no foul language that I know of etc.

Ergo: Let Avalon 1 continue that way.
By means of experiment.

Yes, it has been tried before on other forums, & it failed, but it hasn't been tried before on THIS forum.

[TRANCOSO]

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Steve,

Every rule can be interpreted this or that way. I hope you know the proverb: Laws doesn`t means Justice!
I expressed my feeling about too much rules, and possible misusing them.

Why don`t you think what the lack of personal pages means (see my opening post)...it is essential for me!

I respect your position. You want to give a chance to Avalon2. It is OK.I want it too, but with the elements that made Avalon such a great place.

Love&Respect

With regards to rules being misused then the forum will fail. It’s my opinion there no more harsh than other forums but like you say… interpretation.

I do see your point about the friend’s social networking side not being available. Perhaps that can be conducted in a thread. Personally I don’t use it other than the PM’s, which is available in AV2. I don’t know if they’ll implement “friends” later stage but I have seen a social clique working behind the scenes. Cliques can be divisor and elitist so maybe they are trying to discourage that aspect. I would prefer to see all that sort of thing in the open and none of this back door “he said, she said, and I did, but she did this and what do you think?” …load of bollocks

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by SteveX

With regards to rules being misused then the forum will fail. It’s my opinion there no more harsh than other forums but like you say… interpretation.

I do see your point about the friend’s social networking side not being available. Perhaps than can be conducted in a thread. Personally I don’t use it other than the PM’s, which is available in AV2. I don’t know if they’ll implement “friends” later stage but I have seen a social clique working behind the scenes. Cliques can be divisor and elitist so maybe they are trying to discourage that aspect. I would prefer to see all that sort of thing in the open and none of this back door “he said, she said, and I did, but she did this and what do you think?” …load of bollocks

No personal talk is allowed on the threads, see the rule Steve...and you know what, this is a good rule...but it is not the issue.
Also, this "clique" thing is not serious, in my opinion,if some people want to make a "clique" against the forum, they will not do that on the forum`s page.

Whatever, Steve, it is 1:13 after midnight here..I am going to bed, hoping that different time zones will have something to say here.

Thank you.

[Treckie]

Sitting here nice 'n' quiet waiting for my invite.

[Agape]

If majority of active members here ask for these boards to continue ( these very boards ) , is there anyone to take on the Admin function from Bill Ryan , perhaps ?

I feel people want to continue here . There should not exist any logical or legal reason for these two boards to be closed , there are over 6 thousand people taking part here ( not all are active allright ),
but then, people, rise your VOICE please if you have one,
else be the sheeple to be safely guided to your new house.

If you are all just waiting for what Bill and Kerry will make ready for you , you will get it.

And to the owners , please don't take my words wrong, this is not attempt for anarchy, but an opinion.

It does not dismiss the need for Avalon 2 either. Avalon 2 may be the very clean place for Bill to discuss with people, for more clarity and courtesey and consideration,
it might be looking sterile at first , but it will attract posters and interest .

But allow me to think that 6 thousand people may have also right to think that they are CO-CREATORS of this place .

Both may well continue besides each other for undertermined time till they serve their purpose.

The schism was not created by present membership as far as I am aware .

If majority wants this place to continue, then we need to do something about it .

I will be disappointed if no one is able to oppose.

Thanks for attention

A

[Agape]

If it's lets see what happens it will happen as planned. Someone would have to take Administrative responsibility for this place, and ask Bill if he is kindly willing to give it.

Make a pole, vote, see how many people actually want here to continue , in real numbers .

Nothing is against anything. But if you do nothing, nothing will happen, correct ?

A

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Agape

If it's lets see what happens it will happen as planned. Someone would have to take Administrative responsibility for this place, and ask Bill if he is kindly willing to give it.

Make a pole, vote, see how many people actually want here to continue , in real numbers .

Nothing is against anything. But if you do nothing, nothing will happen, correct ?

A

There is a poll that's been opened by Greybeard Agape:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21010

Love Always
mudra

[Agape]

Originally Posted by mudra

There is a poll that's been opened by Greybeard Agape:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21010

Love Always
mudra

I found it later, apologies and thanks. Just allow me to tell you that I'm feeling very sad, looking at it here, with the number of people who ever participated , topics discussed , thoughts shared,
the place has/had a spirit of freedom and awareness .

But what it reminds me of now, is exodus of Hebrew tribes to promised land or worse.
If our opinions do not matter to the founders now will they matter more on new board ?

Bill&Kerry, with all due respect to their work and this great project for global disclosure, peace and openness ,
have not been participating much here.
People gave it their own time, thoughts and energy.

I'm not surprised if Bill needs his own place to start all anew.

But people are not just numbers ...I thought.

I say it reminds me of something unpleasant in history I don't want to speak about. Simply, someone UP there decides for everyone without question and the loayal everyone never realizing their true nature, what was all this chat here about then ?

These people arguing that they are THE free .

A

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Oliver

No personal talk is allowed on the threads, see the rule Steve...and you know what, this is a good rule...but it is not the issue.
Also, this "clique" thing is not serious, in my opinion,if some people want to make a "clique" against the forum, they will not do that on the forum`s page.

Whatever, Steve, it is 1:13 after midnight here..I am going to bed, hoping that different time zones will have something to say here.

Thank you.

Hope you've had a good even and day by the time you read this. I was basically saying it's not as bad as you may think....besides, you should give it a fair go.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

This is very true, Trancoso.
I hope Bill and Gareth are not people like this.
Because if they do so, they will loose much.
They must not forget that thousand people are watching them.
There will be immediately a lot of rumors through internet, suspitions will rise, information and disinformation, so whole Project Camelot will lose it`s popularity.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

well let me paint a quick picture for all...

You are going to click on this link and appear in the new forum soon, they are archiving this forum so none of the info will be lost and discussions will continue there...

don't be so afraid of change, wait until you wake up one day and find Arizona is oceanfront property...

electricity gone, internet gone... all memories of what we have here and now... gone

Changes are coming whether people are ready or not...

this is a very minor hurdle...

[JesterTerrestrial]

Here is what I THINK and FEEL!!!

CHANGE IS COMING ALRIGHT!!!

I'M DONE HOW CAN I CHILL OUT!!!

TIME!!!

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=21007

SOMETHINGS GOIN ON!!!

[mudra]

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

Here is what I THINK and FEEL!!!

CHANGE IS COMING ALRIGHT!!!

I'M DONE HOW CAN I CHILL OUT!!!

TIME!!!

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=21007

SOMETHINGS GOIN ON!!!

Jester life is about changes .
During these challenging times take guidance not from without but from within.
All outcomes are fine .Everyone has to follow it's heart and move where he feels
he will serve best.
Transcend the dichotomy and walk on your own path.
Stay strong

Love from me
mudra