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Whatever you focus your attention on, is what you become conscious of.
There is no swine flu. ![]() |
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Your not your real ,Your not your real ,Your not your real ? |
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The beautiful thing of Jane Burgermeister is that she brings this important information in a loving way .
She owns the info and the information doesn't own her. She is in no way obsessed by it, she is totally in balance. She knows how to turn people from victims into warriors. She is bringing the information through the heart and not only through the mind Bill, that's how you are doing it as well....heart and mind in balance The mind can be messed with....knowledge of the heart is universal Now let's hope there will be no messing up with the universe.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by amate; 03-10-2010 at 08:27 AM. Reason: spelling correction |
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Two women played a key role in the victory of the humanity against the swine flu terror.
The first one is this gentle sweet beautiful being Jane Burgermeister who bring back to me the belief in my lost profession - journalism! When it is real - there is no power to stop the truth. The second one is that brave Polish woman - Minister of health - who was watching over her people as a mother over her kids and did not allowed vaccines to be taken in her country. She gives hope not all politicians are corrupted. A big hope. They are heroines of today`s world. Thanks from our hearts to them. |
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Oliver, I fully agree....
What is this with women....... ![]() There is another brave woman in the US wo looks after our health. You should read and watch her !! Rima E Laibow MD , Medical Director of the Natural Solutions Foundation . www.Global Health Freedom http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=4478 Last edited by amate; 03-10-2010 at 11:30 AM. Reason: adding link |
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I didn`t know about her, amate, I will watch the video. Thank you.
And I forgot also the Great Lady former Finland`s Minister of Health dr. Rauni Kilde. Love for all of them! |
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Why don't we let women rule the world
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Thanks Bill - she's awesome ...
off topic ... I hope you gave her a flower for the 14th (Valentines) :P |
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Project Avalon Co Founder
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Hi again, All:
To Seashore and anyone else who somehow wants to believe that Jane is some kind of fraud: 1) Watch both of my videos of her from beginning to end http://projectavalon.net/jane_burgermeister.html http://projectcamelot.org/jane_burgermeister.html 2) Click here to download the various charges filed by her: http://theflucase.com/index.php?opti...mid=94&lang=en It's entirely possible that the charges might not have been filed correctly, might [easily] have been completely ignored internally once filed, and/or may not have succeeded in their intentions. (I can't comment on any of these things: I'm not a lawyer.) As you can also see (and which she freely admits) she entered this arena with little experience, and was not accustomed to dealing with the kind of attacks which routinely are attracted by anyone trying to make the world a better place. But by God, she tried, and in that example she's an inspiration. Before rushing to knock other activists, let's first look in the mirror to ask ourselves what we have each done. We need more like Jane, not less. Very best wishes to all, Bill |
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Hey Bill,
Great Post and brave lady, ![]() Peace, ![]() SWIFT |
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I also feel that she is incredibly brave and inspirational. The world probably owes her a huge debt of gratitude for her efforts. And she actually lived to tell about it. The PTB actually got a blow right in front of our very eyes. Long live Jane Burgermeister. |
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I tried telling my friend about her just yesterday when he was going on and on about how great she was and he didn't believe me when I told him the truth. I will direct him to this thread. |
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Yes, it is always unpleasant, but necessary to help others wake up and stop following the group think.
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I’m not sure what to believe either way but the organisers of Alternative View 4 which is ‘UK’s biggest truth event/conference’ decided to drop her as one of their speakers as she refused to provide the necessary documents to back up her claims. The requests were by other speakers but no names were mentioned. This was announced on live TV show called Edge Media by one of the organisers called Ian R Crane who himself is now accused of selling dodgy dvds! All this infighting!!
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She was appalled that Ian Crane had unilaterally dropped her BEFORE asking her for any documentation. She immediately offered to send documentation to prove her bona fides, but Ian Crane had already made up his mind - apparently influenced by persons unknown. Jane was extremely disappointed. It looks like someone out there is still trying to turn this around to make Jane look bad. (Why would they do that?) The documentation is here ... as I posted earlier. Please read it. And do also read what I wrote before risking hurting someone with inaccurate information. Seashore, I'm familiar with the e-mail exchange between True Ott and Jane... it was copied to me months ago. I have the entire thing. I can't and won't post it, for obvious reasons, but let me just say that I was pretty amazed with the way True Ott rounded on Jane and attacked her in that exchange - which he has continued to do publicly. I have not been able to explain the way he has handled himself. It's worth asking why one member of the truth movement would spend SO much time attacking another, when they stand for the same cause. Seashore, you are not doing anyone a service (least of all yourself) by perpetuating this negative energy. Please stop it. If you really want to find out more, rather than parroting someone else's attacks, WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS FROM BEGINNING TO END (have you done this?) - or, better still, take steps to meet Jane personally and make up your own mind. It's too easy to cast judgment on another human being from one's own armchair, relying only on 'internet research'. There's WAY to much of that around. That was my beef against Clif High, and it's also my beef against True Ott. This is why Kerry and I made all our videos: to provide the best possible substitute for meeting someone in person and getting to know them. With best wishes, Bill Last edited by Bill Ryan; 03-10-2010 at 11:48 PM. |
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Personally, I find Jane credible, and I was more than satisfied with the documentation.
The way I see it, is you have the anti-vaccine crowd and the pro-vaccine crowd. I can't understand - for the life of me - why anyone would promote a government vaccine or encourage others to take it, or worse yet; attack others who speak against it. Anyone who takes a look at that old 70's American government swine flu commercial, urging people to take vaccines, and here we are same fear mongering in the 21st century, is monumental evidence of an agenda taking place, obviously the big pharmaceutical companies are involved (and who controls them by the way?) I think its safe to - at least - say that this "vaccine" is potentially dangerous and people should be well aware of this. Jane has been attacked by more than one person, which makes you wonder what "those" peoples' agendas really are. Last edited by Majorion; 03-11-2010 at 12:39 AM. Reason: spelling |
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#25 |
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OK first off let me say I am here primarily for entertainment. I am certainly no expert and I watch the videos and read some of PA because I find it fascinating.
Also I am sort of a passive listener and usually pull up another page and play chess while I listen. It helps my game! Having said that I will now say it strikes me that Jane's detractors sort of strengthen her case. The fact that someone wants to discredit her makes the whole thing stand up if you ask me. Dr Ott's point of view also provides back story and time line. It seems to me that Jane may have wanted to break the story sooner than her associates and so began the rift. I tend not to think every other person is a dis info agent, however as I said I am no expert. One thing for certain She is a beautiful woman (so easy on the eyes) and Bill has made some very good interviews with her. What more can you ask for? |
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