Abraxas has been enjoined and his group is closed Edited

[fr66ajc]

Not wishing to butt in here.. but I will.

If the accused is guilty... hang them out to dry.
If the accusers were stiching the accused up then hang them out to dry.

However if the accusers were truthfull then they should have the right to annonymity should they so wish.

That's my take anyway.

The difference in this scenario though is the 'court' is not open and public. There is no jury of '12 good men/women' so this, I think, is where some of the distrust and frustration is coming in. The public cannot view the proceedings because we are not mods.

So, given the nature of the case and the way forums are run, we have to wait and see what info we get from the 'closed' court and trust the fact that the mods are good people and will do what is right for those involved.

That's how I see things anyway.

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[Céline]

Originally Posted by fr66ajc

Not wishing to butt in here.. but I will.

If the accused is guilty... hang them out to dry.
If the accusers were stiching the accused up then hang them out to dry.

However if the accusers were truthfull then they should have the right to annonymity should they so wish.

That's my take anyway.

The difference in this scenario though is the 'court' is not open and public. There is no jury of '12 good men/women' so this, I think, is where some of the distrust and frustration is coming in. The public cannot view the proceedings because we are not mods.

So, given the nature of the case and the way forums are run, we have to wait and see what info we get from the 'closed' court and trust the fact that the mods are good people and will do what is right for those involved.

That's how I see things anyway.

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Theire right to anonymity does not reside on whether or not the accused is guilty..the right to anonymity is given so women dont FEAR coming forth...

And this thread...this battle is a PRIME example why women do NOT come out and do something about it...and why the laws are there to PROTECT these any women who wish to come forth...

i am dumbfounded why some cant see that

1 mistake + i mistake does NOT equate Growth...

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Céline

Theire right to anonymity does not reside on whether or not the accused is guilty..the right to anonymity is given so women dont FEAR coming forth...

And this thread...this battle is a PRIME example why women do NOT come out and do something about it...and why the laws are there to PROTECT these any women who wish to come forth...

i am dumbfounded why some cant see that

1 mistake + i mistake does NOT equate Growth...

Quite right `ere `ere.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

Theire right to anonymity does not reside on whether or not the accused is guilty..the right to anonymity is given so women dont FEAR coming forth...

And this thread...this battle is a PRIME example why women do NOT come out and do something about it...and why the laws are there to PROTECT these any women who wish to come forth...

i am dumbfounded why some cant see that

1 mistake + i mistake does NOT equate Growth...

And if some spiteful, vengeful woman puts some man who jilted her in jail on false charges, what has this bleeding heart approach to justice done then. This has happened lots of times.

Some laws are laughably stupid. anonymous accusation is one of them. Is that even a law in the jurisdiction where Avalon falls? I"ve noticed you quote Canadian references.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

And if some spiteful, vengeful woman puts some man who jilted her in jail on false charges, what has this bleeding heart approach to justice done then. This has happened lots of times.

Some laws are laughably stupid. anonymous accusation is one of them. Is that even a law in the jurisdiction where Avalon falls? I"ve noticed you quote Canadian references.

it was pure;ly to make a point to exchanger...who yes is canadian


If that is the thruth then it is an argument for the COURT ..not for us.

[fr66ajc]

Originally Posted by Céline

Theire right to anonymity does not reside on whether or not the accused is guilty..the right to anonymity is given so women dont FEAR coming forth...

That is a very good point, but I really wasn't suggesting we should know before hand, only after the results and only if the 'accusers' were truthful and wish to reveal themselves. Anonymity should be guaranteed unless the accuser is proven false. If the accuser is proven truthful and chooses not to remain anonymous then that is up to them.

Granted men are not sexually harassed nearly as much nor as vilely but I would stand by that for us too. If I accused a woman of sexual harassment just to get her into trouble and it was proved I lied in court, I wouldn't expect any protection from the press as I stepped out of court and into the wagon taking me to prison.

I hope I made myself clear there as I had no intention of defending the idea that the accusers should be exposed if the accusations were truthful.

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[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by fr66ajc

I hope I made myself clear there as I had no intention of defending the idea that the accusers should be exposed if the accusations were truthful. 93 93/93
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However, if the accusers were NOT being truthful,
and, the accusations were false ~
in our opinion, they should be eXposed

pa/pc is about the search for true, real truth !!!

love is the law, and, this type of action, under the will of a few
affected many, and, with that said,
the truth, is the truth, and, it is, already well known

perhaps - it might stop a few others,
from doing these types of hateful, malicious, and, spiteful things

if it, was your own good name,
you could NOT defend, how would you feel ???

there is much power, in the mode of silence

and, the other accusations
that he attacked others, are, false

you are the captain, of your 'own' ship
and, it is, by a poor choices of alignments/and, allowances
this situation/or, the other situations
turn into what they did

there are big risks, in the search for truth

however, the biggest truth, is always the same

it is your choice-to be truth, and, to eXpress truth

and, if you can NOT do that, you are NOT in integrity

intregrity - is the most important virtue you have

the worst karma you can gather ~ is saying something
you know is false, in order, to protect, your own behind
and, trying to make someone else,
take your guilt !!!

people might remember you for what you have done,
however, people will always remember you,
for the way, in which, you made them feel

we don't think anyone would enjoy standing in the shoes of tony/A
being innocent, and, having it publically shouted from the rooftops
that he did something awful/horrific/or shameful

and, then have a whole pile more people

add, false logs, to the same fire

YOU are always able to make your own choices
and, if you are NOT
you had better very carefully eXamine
the state of your own affairs,
before you start a process,
of blending your energies/your own divine rights
and, your sacredness, with any others

if you are NOT 100% sure, it is in total alignment with you, all of you

It is pitiful, and, also shameful,
that many people made choices
to toss 'false' logs on the fire

also too, the size of any man/or any woman
is the size, of the thing, it takes, to get their goat

an 'ego' in the 'negative' pole is a very 'sorry' thing

perhaps, it might be best, to look at how we view
how we aid/assist/and, help our real brothers/and, real sisters
at this time

full disclosure, is, what PA/PC stands for

you can NOT go around,
accusing people falsely,
and, think, that it is NOT you,
who should be on 'the hook'

you-should be eXposed

just to see, how it might feel

falsely accused, is NOT the issue

falsely accusing iS !!!


iT iS a time, for truth, real truth !!!

[fr66ajc]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

However, if the accusers were NOT being truthful,
and, the accusations were false ~
in our opinion, they should be eXposed

Exactly one of the points I was trying to make

[hippihillbobbi]

Celine--

NO, dear sister, i AM NOT saying that those of us "in tune" with Abraxas have been the only ones disrespected. Mean words and accusations have flown on this thread AND on the original Q&A thread as well -- ugliness and unlovingness came from BOTH sides ..... i totally agree with you. And for any of the times i may have inadvertently hurt yours or anyone else's feelings, I do hereby apologize to you. i haven't felt that was ever my intention, but i DO admit to feeling defensive for myself at times during this "crisis," so perhaps i was "mean" without recognizing it in myself. If so, as i said, i am sincerely sorry.


eXchanger--

Thank you for all your wise and light-filled words. you are so DEPENDABLE always to "bring-us-back-'round!"


/Rocky Shorz--

I really appreciate the compliment on my "complimentary close." LOL i have to admit ..... i AM proud of being an old hippie!


Mudra--

Thank you, as always, for your loveliness and your God-given talent for gifting us with words of peace, love and harmony. And your words, in combination with those of Kahil Gibran today, simply healed my distress and made my spirit soar!


To each of you and ALL my sisters and brothers here -- SHALOM.

love,
hippihill

[THE eXchanger]

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[THE eXchanger]

important to hold fast,
your force, and, your power
and, NOT unselectively share it, with others,
you do NOT really know

more times, than NOT
it is curiousity,
that kills the cat

more times, than NOT
it is the accusor,
who solicits, the one who stands accused

all was done, in this senario,
as consulting/and, curious adults,
on their own time, and, within their own space
and, NOT even here, on PA/PC

quite frankly, there are a lot of men
who are making it, their business,
here on PA/PC
to put themselves out there,
as, big spiritaulists, and, think they can act like super-man
when the truth is, many of them, really do NOT know
their whole asses, from holes in the ground,
and, believe, it is, their job
to protect, a lot of women
from 'blue dragons', black/red/and, white orbs/and, serpents etc.,
and, who believe, they can actually do these healings on others,
without the permission, from that persons
higher self/essence/and, monad
WHICH is NOT a truth
WITHOUT permission from someone elses higher team
you can do NO work ~ you are simply kidding yourself
about, what the truth, of your powers actually really are

People need to learn, to handle their own complex aspects
and, quite frankly, without their own higher self/essence/and, monad
in agreement - there is NOT anyone, who can do this type of work

time to learn, to go within, and, discover your own true magnificence
and, own it !!!

Time to quit blaming others, for your own short-comings
and, step into the truth, of all that you truly are !!!

Turn inward, it is all there !!!

melding/and, blending with others, in a 3D sense
is, just is NOT the right road !!!

at least not until you are in full command/and, full demand
of all you 13 aspects; along with your 7 energetic eXpressions,
then, and, only then, can you do YOUR OWN WILL !!!

and, YOUR OWN WILL, is THE WAY

[THE eXchanger]

the real topic here is this:

OWNED and, OWING YOUR OWN FORCE/AND, YOUR OWN POWER

FIRST AND FOREMOST !!!

BEFORE, making any choices

be who you really are - and, do that eloquently

there are NO errors; or, NO mistakes

there just is, what there is

bad judgements

[THE eXchanger]

a good eXample of a good male spiritualist here on project avalon/and, camelot
is tone3jag / brad

he is one, who does know, what end is UP !!!

[THE eXchanger]

a good eXample of a good realist, who is a spirit - is Bill

[THE eXchanger]

and, Kerry is a good eXample of a spiritualist

every here, should develop their own spirit, as, best they can

it goes with you, from this life cycle to the neXt life cycle

[THE eXchanger]

the divine masculine/and, the divine feminine
is within each and everyone of us

and, it does have a place where its rubber hits the road

it's called

the unified/and, the united force/and, power of both

work to developing that, as, much as possible

and, then, and, only then - will you be, the original spark,

you truly, intended yourself to be

[THE eXchanger]

start frying the 'real' fish

maybe, it takes something like this, to really shake up people

and, get their 'real' truths falling 'out' of them

spend your time doing things, that will enrich this world,
and, focus your intent, on the changes you want to see happen
and, manifest that

drudging over the past, if that is all you do,
isn't going to change the NOW/which leads into the future

ask/ask/ask for your missions/purposes/and, tasks

if you learn to listen, you will hear them
direct from your own source
of your higher self/essence and monad

[fr66ajc]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

ask/ask/ask for your missions/purposes/and, tasks

if you learn to listen, you will hear them
direct from your own source
of your higher self/essence and monad

Many times have I tried this and got a sense that something is trying to get through but I am not receiving it. Or there is absolutely nothing there. Occasionally I get an answer.

I generally take the silence to mean either there is no 'correct' answer or I am to do nothing. ie. sit and wait, watch and learn.

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[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by fr66ajc

Many times have I tried this and got a sense that something is trying to get through but I am not receiving it. Or there is absolutely nothing there. Occasionally I get an answer.

I generally take the silence to mean either there is no 'correct' answer or I am to do nothing. ie. sit and wait, watch and learn.

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much of the marvel/or, the splender of strong
higher self / essence / and, monad connection
iS eXactly that the bliss, of the silence ~ of all that iS

where words, NEED not be said

you are very connected, in those times

that is the first of one of many steps/and,
that will lead you down a road, to true discovery of yourself
someone can NOT show you,
anyone, than someone can NOT do it for you,
they can attempt, their best
to start a process to describe it to you,
all roads, might NOT be the same for each, and, everyone

there are 101 roads up the mountain-or, into the valley
of whatever, it iS
that you do, to create your own 'safe' space
and, then, eXpand out of there

the options to you, are ever eXpanding

we are all inter dimensional, and, multi dimensional
and, density beings,

this world is full of people, with many answers

you can try them on, and, take what fits

then simply, discard the rest

YOU ALREADY KNOW within the 'length,width, and, depth' of yourself

all the secrets - just ask/ask/ask, for them to be revealed to you

will it to be, so, it will be, and, so it is

[fr66ajc]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

much of the marvel/or, the splender of strong
higher self / essence / and, monad connection
iS eXactly that the bliss, of the silence ~ of all that iS

where words, NEED not be said

That is very true

I think the biggest lesson I have learnt over the last 10 years or so is patience.

Things will occur when I'm ready and not before.

In the past I have often wondered if I'm 'doing it right' and got impatient, and sure enough, the impatience breaks any connection.

I know the method that works for me now and sit patiently and see what occurs. With city life the silence is most welcome at times.

[THE eXchanger]

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