Where's the proof of re-incarnation and past lives…

[Frank Samuel]

Your soul is infinite, maybe at this moment in time you cannot remember and that's okay. The only one that can answer that question is your soul so instead of asking everyone you should ask yourself. Because I myself did not believe it either until the aha moment came where I could see how my soul has been around for eons. So is okay don't rush it until you are ready to discover your real identity. There's many layers to peel just like an onion.
One thing I can guarantee when that moment comes your world will never be the same. I can tell you that before my wife was pregnant with our last child I had many conversations with my daughter , this lead me to believe that we even choose our parents before conception . Even if your physical brain cannot understand because is trapped within the 3 dimensional reality you spiritual mind will connect to your heart and lead the way to a land beyond this physical illusion.

Blessings to you and yours...

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

Here's a thought...

since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times...


(just a different perspective)

Ya know, maybe that is just how simple it is. Perhaps each lifetime is just living out an existence on a different 'radio station', frequency or Genre. Look at Astrology for comparison, each person has the traits of that sign, in 'a' house, and factoring in the other planet/aspects that then combine with several other factors to allow for experience and freewill choice that will 'cause' an 'effect' within the parameters of that frequency or 'Genre.'

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

Your soul is infinite, maybe at this moment in time you cannot remember and that's okay. The only one that can answer that question is your soul so instead of asking everyone you should ask yourself. Because I myself did not believe it either until the aha moment came where I could see how my soul has been around for eons. So is okay don't rush it until you are ready to discover your real identity. There's many layers to peel just like an onion.
One thing I can guarantee when that moment comes your world will never be the same. I can tell you that before my wife was pregnant with our last child I had many conversations with my daughter , this lead me to believe that we even choose our parents before conception . Even if your physical brain cannot understand because is trapped within the 3 dimensional reality you spiritual mind will connect to your heart and lead the way to a land beyond this physical illusion.

Blessings to you and yours...

Maybe were not so trapped afterall. We just think we are because of belief systems teaching us that the physical world is a lessor world or prison. What if the opposite is true... to be in a physical body is the ultimate achievement. And being able to experience third dimension is a luxury and a privilege. We just have to learn how to be 'permeable.'

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Christo888

Maybe were not so trapped afterall. We just think we are because of belief systems teaching us that the physical world is a lessor world or prison. What if the opposite is true... to be in a physical body is the ultimate achievement. And being able to experience third dimension is a luxury and a privilege. We just have to learn how to be 'permeable.'

I quite agree!! It is an honour, because we get the opportunity to work on ourselves and evolve spiritually.

Love,

Kriya

[HORIZONS]

I think about the sun and all the individual beams of light. There is only one source but so many expressions of the one source. That source scatters its individual expressions in all varying directions, in all timelines, yet it is the same source. Could all manifested life be so simple?

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by kriya

I quite agree!! It is an honour, because we get the opportunity to work on ourselves and evolve spiritually.

Love,

Kriya

Yes this is true... but for thoughts sake I want to bump the perception up a bit. We only have to unlearn what we have been implanted with and we have to heal the body from the poisons that are offered as food.

If the original intention behind being born into a physical body was to experience what solidified Sunlight is (the point of the 'Garden of Eden) then we would know how to interact with it on many levels with ALL gifts being used within the physical world.

Instead we talk about what could have been or what should become of Earth that we now have to spend time on correcting tptb who screwed it up. So obviously the Earth was fine before man got here and someone stole the purpose of being here long ago. Earth is a living garden and provides a 'grounding' mechanism for Sunlight to be turned into solid objects that WE can interact with.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I can never deal with the specifics as far as my own experiences are concerned. It's always a feeling to me, never a very clear visual or audial or any kind of "tangible" lucid experience. I "feel" as though I was "born" with certain aspects of my person that, since my childhood, I have never been able to understand how they could come from my particular surroundings in "this life." I've always had an analytical, questioning mind and I like to think I have the "nature vs. nuture" part of my life figured out. Certain aspects of my nature just don't attach themselves to anything in my past I can think of, certainly they're not parts of my mind that can be psychologically attributed to growing up in my generation, in my town, with my reactions to family friends and my entire life. I came into the world with some issues, and whether it was a past "life" or not, however you want to define these kind of things, it gives me reason to draw certain conclusions about who I might have been. Add a little bit of lucid dreaming, meditation, and psychotropic drugs, and I've had a few weird experiences. During one acid trip I felt as though I entered a transitive period in time, and my friends and I were living an archetype of the "town fools" in greco-roman times, and from some other time period I couldn't be certain of, as well as the present time. We weren't wearing tinfoil hats but we were a spectacle walking down the street in rain ponchos, tripped out and staring at the sky.

So I guess thats why I believe it, at the very least.

[greybeard]

http://booksiloved.com/19/Many_Lives_Many_Masters.html
Notice the book has been mentioned allready.
Its a good one
Chris

[Stardustaquarion]

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.

what is the alternatives


we dont know much so we believe alot

what we believe are important

because we become what we believe


how would we in the world look like

if the common belief is

we only live once


it's a recipe for chaos



on that note alone we should not harbor such thoughts


the ones who believe in either heaven or hell after this one earth life

do not have to bother with any belief in reincarnation

there is no spiritual boons in believeing it


but another point is all the child prodigies

and the tales from people with past life flashes


at last we have the teachings of spiritual scriptures


so the evidence for reincarnation is pretty solid

if one wants to make a case against it

the burden of proof is on you lol

[Harper]

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us - don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know!


How dreary to be somebody!
How public like a frog
To tell one's name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

--- emily dickenson certainly had a glimps into somewhere else

The live long day I just noticed from a previous post today was a little subconscious honour my the lady poet. Sorry whenever I write a poem it tends to kill the post, dont understand? But I will enliven these wonderful outlooks if I am the culprit

[Frank Samuel]

Reincarnation for me from my past lives just tells me I committed many, many, many mistakes specially prejudging others. I could never consider myself special for I know all of us are equal even alien beings. One aspect of reincarnation that humble me was realizing that not all our lives are full of love but quite the opposite, so this perhaps is one reason why sometimes we cannot recollect our previous lives you simply block it. Living in the now is important because the here and now is what matters most to be responsible for our own actions and to create a better world around us. So yes I agree if you sized the moment while you have a physical body you can advance spiritually at a much faster rate than if you did not. I have a lot to learn and each day I make an effort to do just that a million years can go by and I think I would still feel like I am still learning for it is an infinite task without end.

[Moxie]

xbusymom wrote: "since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times..."

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!

And here in Avalon, many are simply sharing their experiences... we know we cannot prove that we love you anymore than more fetching claims.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Moxie

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!

I am not sure what you mean in your post, but it would be very interesting to take a look at our original sources of information (* and how we came to believe -and now tout what we have absorbed as “MY TRUTH”), as well as look at what was lacking in our “family libraries” and we were not exposed to (regarding to what other families felt was the norm).

(*did that make sense? I think I am having half of a brain-fart by now*)

anyway...

I started reading- as a pre-teen – a couple of books by Dick (Richard) Sutphen [“past lives, future loves” and “you were born again to be together”], and followed along with my parents study group material (which happened to be “A Search for God” using the Edgar Cayce stuff collected by the Area for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.) foundation in Virginia Beach; as well as many of Richard Bach’s books- [Jonathan Livingston Seagull, One, Illusions, etc.]. In the early years of my first marriage, I was heavy into the entire collection of Robert Heinlein, and the teen books by Madeleine L’Engle [the “Wrinkle in Time” trilogy].

(*hmmm... I think I am starting to see a pattern here...*) Some of it made sense to me, and some of it I ended up rejecting... so maybe it is all just subliminal programming...? maybe it is a simple case of “whatever you want to experience, you can attract to you and manifest it so you can see where it goes???”

but then you would have to apply the circular logic of the original programming for that- right? (at least in my case because that is what I plugged into my head)

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time
You would like M5

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time

wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"?

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"?

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams.

Now that is an interesting theory

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Now that is an interesting theory

Interesting indeed!

[Peace of mind]

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

Very good point, and I often wonder myself why so many people keep saying we are here to learn... Why can't I be here to experience... sure that may be considered learning but having an adventure is much more appealing to me than to be stuck in a classroom... no thanks, i'm on an adventure to explore and power up potential of everything there is to power up!!!!

And there may not be any proof of any reincarnation, perhaps no evidence whatsoever, but there is the understanding of either 'participate in potential' or be left behind through 'passive permission' to be ruled over or told what to do... each a choice.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

when I did my past-life-question to myself, i came up with 4 different "incarnations" that dealt with the very same thing I was dealing with in the present life (and curiously each major co-star was my husband in some form- which is what I specifically asked about). what I was shown was that I had a tendency to ignore my wants/needs in order to be 'responsible for' or "to take care of" someone else- and they were divided into the extremes of the range (total selfishness vs total sacrifice) which helped me to see that I needed to strike a balanced understanding of what "responsible" ("to care for") really means...

and since my first husband and I have parted ways, I have been "seeing" other types of relationships in my life (with the same theme/ lesson that I am working on) show up in the following years... but I never would have grown in that issue if I had not been aware of the "lesson"...

make sense?

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

the exit and enter Earth is not entirely up to us


we do not decide the time to go

why would we pick the place to come


this is a cooperation between God Ourselves and Karma


why are we here


to Bloom into Pure Perfection


so There is a Standard



God I love my Beliefs lol

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all.

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet.

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Christo888

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet.

No problemo - just an experience

[Moxie]

I've experienced lucid dreams, OOBEs, reptilian contact, incubus/succubus (can't remember which gender is which, lol)... ecstatic dreams, otherwordly images/colors/music, UFOs, direct thought reading w/visuals, song "downloads" lyric & melody, etc etc...

I take them ALL w/ a grain of salt... it tells me Nothing really other than not to have Any beliefs which are static and not dynamic! .. except that the mind is a "terrible" thing! (smirks)