Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

Thanks for taking the time to talk about this.

Yes I can only see it from my side. Call me paranoid but it is the "behind the scenes" argument that comes up a lot. This reminds me of a secrete society with secrete meetings and secrete proceedings. I understand that the mods on Project Camelot are well meaning, awake and aware volunteers. Yes it is true that there are things going on behind the scenes that others are not aware of.

Please tell us... what is the other "part of the whole job that is required"?

I do not have the time to discuss this with you, Seriously. I have said enough to try and help you understand your one sided perspective.

Ross H

[Carol]

Bill clearly explained what was going on behind the scene between himself and Kerry. Unfortunately the mods are in the middle of the fracas but have nothing to do with the personal unresolve issues/challenges that Bill and Kerry are working on. This difference of viewpoint between B&K surfaced at the end of 2008, so it is not surprising to see them move in different directions. The reality of geographical location is a big hurdle just for starters. And that doesn't even begin to touch the other issues that come up between people who work together. Kerry also explained her viewpoint. Each has taken the time to post where they are coming from and it really is up to them to determine in what direction they are going in.

[Carol]

I will add this... you are correct that there are folks who would like to see Avalon shut down... but almost all of those people have toes that B&K stepped on first. The attitude of competition instead of partnership was their weakest link. They may think some of their whistle blowers are their friends, however, I personally know of several who are not ~ and set out to do them damage. This is where the problem originated.

As for the color.. when you're posting to highlight and color your text, click on the capital A with the heavy bar under it until you see the word color show up. Click on that and a color palette comes up. Then click on your palette color and voila.

[mkspllmn]

I will add this... you are correct that there are folks who would like to see Avalon shut down... but almost all of those people have toes that B&K stepped on first. The attitude of competition instead of partnership was their weakest link. They may think some of their whistle blowers are their friends, however, I personally know of several who are not ~ and set out to do them damage. This is where the problem originated.



That is what I was trying to say.

Besides the part about the mods was only one part of the post. It was intended as part of a package idea. The rest of the post apparently got ignored.

[Karen]

mkspllmn - I don't recall Kerry ever shutting down a thread. She has demanded a few times that they be opened after people complain to her, but since she doesn't hang out at the forum or with mods, she doesn't know the situation that she demands be reversed. Over a year ago Bill was to take Avalon and Kerry Camelot, but it is difficult for her to stay out of forum business when people complain to her. Now there is a clear cut division and as usual, I will volunteer - to have her send those complaints to me and team, so we can make our decision about a possible reversal. We are not power-tripping ogres. Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

Kerry did shut down the forum to put pressure on the fact that she wanted a closed thread be reopened. That was quite shocking and took over about 24 hours of my life. As of today, she no longer has that power - the separation of Camelot and Avalon is complete. I heard mention they will have a "portal" on the web where people can come and see what Bill and Kerry have to share in their own spaces.

From my perspective Kerry is not fighting with Burisch. Bill and Kerry to this day are perplexed by the accusations made against them by the Burisch team. I think I saw where that started - at the conference in Europe, where there was a panel discussion and the topic of vaccinations came up and exploded. Many in the crowd were anti-vaccine, yelling because they didn't have mircophones and Burisch is very pro vaccine and felt threatened by possible outbreak of violence. Burisch accused Bill of lying about a bomb threat - when Bill says it was a problem with a database making labels. The was a phone call about it and Bill and Ruth went off to sort it out. And this list of misunderstandings continues to grow.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

mkspllmn - I don't recall Kerry ever shutting down a thread. She has demanded a few times that they be opened after people complain to her, but since she doesn't hang out at the forum or with mods, she doesn't know the situation that she demands be reversed. Over a year ago Bill was to take Avalon and Kerry Camelot, but it is difficult for her to stay out of forum business when people complain to her. Now there is a clear cut division and as usual, I will volunteer - to have her send those complaints to me and team, so we can make our decision about a possible reversal. We are not power-tripping ogres. Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

Kerry did shut down the forum to put pressure on the fact that she wanted a closed thread be reopened. That was quite shocking and took over about 24 hours of my life. As of today, she no longer has that power - the separation of Camelot and Avalon is complete. I heard mention they will have a "portal" on the web where people can come and see what Bill and Kerry have to share in their own spaces.

From my perspective Kerry is not fighting with Burisch. Bill and Kerry to this day are perplexed by the accusations made against them by the Burisch team. I think I saw where that started - at the conference in Europe, where there was a panel discussion and the topic of vaccinations came up and exploded. Many in the crowd were anti-vaccine, yelling because they didn't have mircophones and Burisch is very pro vaccine and felt threatened by possible outbreak of violence. Burisch accused Bill of lying about a bomb threat - when Bill says it was a problem with a database making labels. The was a phone call about it and Bill and Ruth went off to sort it out. And this list of misunderstandings continues to grow.

Ok, it wasnt a thread it was the whole forum.

Thank you for the corrections on other details.

Would anyone care to comment on what I was trying to say in the post?

I think Kerry is being used to discredit Camelot.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

That is the proper attitude for a moderator.

I must say that I have heard mods speak very differently in the past. Even lashing out. This has intimidated the whole forum. However it does not seem to have curtailed the number of visitors and new members. But I do think speech has been squelched. I know there are those who are afraid to post their thoughts. I have been but I am coming out of the closet because I think Project Camelot is on its last legs.

I may have been too harsh on the mods in my post. But the post should be taken as a single thought and not picked apart. I think I was making a valid point and no one has commented on that point.

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there is change in the air

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Ross H

I do not have the time to discuss this with you, Seriously. I have said enough to try and help you understand your one sided perspective.

Ross H

I am sorry Ross, but it seems that there is a hidden agenda that the masses are not allowed to know. It just seems too familiar and I cant ignore it.

I am sure I am not the only one to notice.

I am just dumb enough to say something.

Tell me I am wrong! Please!

[mkspllmn]

Carol, I think I want to marry your avatar.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

I am sorry Ross, but it seems that there is a hidden agenda that the masses are not allowed to know. It just seems too familiar and I cant ignore it.
I am sure I am not the only one to notice.
I am just dumb enough to say something.
Tell me I am wrong! Please!

Almost anywhere you work or volunteer, where you make you way into an inner circle, there are things that are confidential for very important reasons. Any mod that joins our team is supposed to STFU about any knowledge gained by access to the back room.

Kerry and Bill will release what they want released and any mod who blabs without permission will be fired. That's just the way it is, like it or not.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

Almost anywhere you work or volunteer, where you make you way into an inner circle, there are things that are confidential for very important reasons. Any mod that joins our team is supposed to STFU about any knowledge gained by access to the back room.

Kerry and Bill will release what they want released and any mod who blabs without permission will be fired. That's just the way it is, like it or not.

OK. Ill buy that. But even the mods must know how it looks and it only adds to the frustration.

We are dealing with extremely intense subject matter that can often lead to life and death. Even posting casually here probably puts us on some kind of list. When dealing with these kind of people it is good to remember that even your best friend cannot be trusted. Anyone can be gotten to without their even knowing it. The ptb have thousands of years of practice and they use methods that seem like science fiction to most of us. They are gaining control over the entire planet and it seems there is no way to stop them. If they want control of Project Camelot they will probably have one of their kids do it on a weekend.