Steven Greer/CSETI takes first ET Photo

[Peace of mind]

I’m not judging but I’m a bit disappointed in people for various reasons. As far as PA is concern…it’s the amount of support for vague evidence. Maybe I missed a few threads with convincing proof and if so I would greatly appreciate a link to them, thanks in advance.
With so much talk about reptiles, grays and light beings…I haven’t seen one, not ONE picture of any alien or light being. C’mon man, where is all of this knowledge coming from? With all the speculation and talk about aliens there is no clear proof, matter of fact there isn’t one whistleblower posting on these boards. Are they that afraid, or are they that afraid their little game will be exposed by some tough questions. I’m in a position to help a great deal in exposing these evil entities but haven’t seen anything yet. My patience is growing thin and my team is becoming more skeptical by the day. If there is fear in exposing the truth…then these hot air blowers should shut their mouths if they aren’t prepared to go all the way with their revelation, as I see it…they are doing more harm then TPTB by confusing the people who want so bad to see something phenomenal…maybe they are part of TPTB….so I’ve been told on a few occasions. What kind of person believes in what a stranger has to say without any real proof attached to it?

Peace

[Seafury]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

What kind of person believes in what a stranger has to say without any real proof attached to it?

Peace

Unfortunately that's the type of person that I see far too much of on these boards. I believe in what PA and PC are trying to accomplish but I don't necessarily believe in what they're actually achieving which to me is a growing army of completely gullible, non-critical thinking truthseekers.

I know the mindset of some is that all information should be considered before discarding it as useless. I actually believe this as well. The difference is it only takes me two seconds to know when a completely black photograph is not proof of an ET. I also know immediately that a black blob in the sky in a photograph is not proof of bases on Mars.

Some things are so ridiculous that I feel compelled to jump in on the conversation just to stop the propagation of idiocy. All I ask is some common sense and some discernment. Call some BS so the people spreading it realize what they are doing and learn some discernment themselves. If we all did that the quality of information on these boards might improve immensely.

[K626]

Originally Posted by Seafury

Unfortunately that's the type of person that I see far too much of on these boards. I believe in what PA and PC are trying to accomplish but I don't necessarily believe in what they're actually achieving which to me is a growing army of completely gullible, non-critical thinking truthseekers.

I know the mindset of some is that all information should be considered before discarding it as useless. I actually believe this as well. The difference is it only takes me two seconds to know when a completely black photograph is not proof of an ET. I also know immediately that a black blob in the sky in a photograph is not proof of bases on Mars.

Some things are so ridiculous that I feel compelled to jump in on the conversation just to stop the propagation of idiocy. All I ask is some common sense and some discernment. Call some BS so the people spreading it realize what they are doing and learn some discernment themselves. If we all did that the quality of information on these boards might improve immensely.

Some sanity at last.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seafury

Some things are so ridiculous that I feel compelled to jump in on the conversation just to stop the propagation of idiocy. All I ask is some common sense and some discernment.

Seafury, you deserve an applause.

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

With so much talk about reptiles, grays and light beings…I haven’t seen one, not ONE picture of any alien or light being.

You have not been looking hard enough

[tone3jaguar]

And another thing. All of the people who judge Greer as being a fake or what ever are just protecting their own insecurity. I was not sure whether or not he was the real deal or not. Instead of just jumping to conclusions in order to protect the happy little box I don't live in, I went to see for myself.

Once you see the kind of stuff that happens after a group of people do the contact protocols (Greer present or not), you have a tendency to be more open minded towards claims like the ones about the photo.

I am not convinced about he picture either. However I am also not playing the victim and crying about how I think it is bunk because it is loose evidence. Get over it.

[Seafury]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

However I am also not playing the victim and crying about how I think it is bunk because it is loose evidence. Get over it.

Yes, we should just let everyone get away with saying and posting whatever they want.

Also, your statement about playing victim makes no sense.

Also, my views on this crappy picture and all other "loose evidence" are not necessarily my views on everything Steven Greer has ever done.

[Peace of mind]

That really sounds like a touching story Tone3Jaguar and I can probably see myself believing this too…especially with a heavy heart. But cameras and graphic software can duplicate everything I’ve seen displayed here on this forum.
The image in this vid was said to be on a security camera (which in my opinion looks like a reflection of the ceiling lights), yet no one has actually seen it with their own eyes. Fox/sly news pushes out stories to train the mind by playing on peoples emotions and being that it was during the holidays it may seem even more authentic. There’s a part of me that wants to believe this was an actual spiritual event but giving the source and the lack of details I just don’t see it as anything other than a reflection. If the entity would have moved or something, maybe it would be more believable…do you have anything else? If not, I appreciate the effort.

Oh, you’re right when saying people shouldn’t judge anyone. A word of advice thou…if you claim to have important information and present it in a halfass way…prepare to face ridicule. I may not agree with mockery but I’m speaking for myself. There is too much deceit, and attention seekers out here trying to make a buck or some fame at the cost of people’s sanity. To be honest, for the most part I believe skeptics have been quite tolerant solely out of respect. Hopefully; we all want to make things better and not worse.

Peace

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by Peace of mind

That really sounds like a touching story Tone3Jaguar and I can probably see myself believing this too…especially with a heavy heart. But cameras and graphic software can duplicate everything I’ve seen displayed here on this forum.

Technology can duplicate anything. From that paradigm of zero reliance on intuition and only on material evidence, anything media based no matter how convincing could be grouped into the (that could have been faked) category.

I am not trying to defend the over all efficacy of the photograph. However, having taken my own personal photographs after I did the contact protocol meditation of the sky and getting results, I am open minded to any possibilities. Could my photographs that where taken right after I requested for the light ships to show up on the photos be faked? Hell yes they could have. Do I care if anyone ever believes that I took them the way that I did? Not really, I could care less as long as I know it.




What you want to see is an person in your face evidence that leaves no possibility for doubt at all. You are never going to find that on the internet. You are going to have to go out and see this s--t for yourself.

[Sollve]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

However, having taken my own personal photographs after I did the contact protocol meditation of the sky and getting results, I am open minded to any possibilities.

Hi tone3jaguar,
Is there any chance you could write this contact protocol down for others like me to try it?

Sollve

[gscraig]

Hi gscraig,

Call me blind or stupid if you will, but all I can gleen from the 'photo' is a superimposed image of two shirts draped over the backs of chairs between two bushes over a dark stary sky.

Could I be wrong?

Precisely Steve A.

When I first opened the photo link, I kept looking at the draping material, because that is what immediately stands out. It took me a moment to finally gaze elsewhere unsuccessfully, until I clicked on the "zoom" shot. Just simply was not an idea photo to share, even if this had more clarity prior to photographing.

[Agape]

It sadly reminds me of the 'Martians discovered ' on NASA photos by A. Bassiago.
No need to stress here that our senses are imperfect. The ET might well been there..but, he did not want to pose for photograph

Our senses work with precision within certain range of perception, what is further we see either as blurred, mishaped or non existent .
We would need far more sensitive cameras to be able to capture beings inhabiting other physical dimensions than ours with precision.

The paradox for those who had personal experience with ETs and their technologies is that these beings are usually far more delicate and 'precise' in their appearance, as they tend to be really beautiful , in their own way, compared to humans . Far from being shape-less, blurred , ghostly characters .
The same can be said about their technologies .

Might be a mistake on our side. But same as with the 'entities on Mars' , it more reminds me of some childhood experiences in forest where we went to search for mushrooms.

Hopefully starring to leaves , moss and bushes, only too often the like to be mushroom was an illusion of light and colored backgrounds , a leaf or a pebble, from distance. I had really good sight that time lol

Or like a shapes of beings we see in clouds ..in mountains...in darkness indeed too..

It's still easier to examine such phenomena if they are accessible to us but who can go to Mars to check in person ?
Some chosen had been there, sorry , I forgot .


A

[Kulapops]

I don't think the photo really helps to convert the skeptical.

To me, it really just looks like part of the bush in the original photo. The colourings are different in the cutout and later pictures.

It is a paradox though. All we need is one great photo. Just one. Yet, if that photo looks really good, it would seem fake... and if it's looks really awful, it won't be believed.

I think context is the only way forward. It's not what you photo, but the situtation in which it is recorded.

I think that's why the Russian pyramid.. and fishing trawler vids are exciting, because they seem to be happening in real time and at real locations.

Yet even they seem fake.

So in the end it's just going to come down to a question of faith. Perhaps the UFO phenomenon is not resolvable with one piece of contextual evidence.

Imagine...a UFO landing on the white house lawn, covered by the media. aliens come out, cameras go inside. We'd all shout 'false flag!'.

K

[gscraig]

As promised, below is a link to some of the photos I have.

Again, not the clearest shots and actually have a ghostly/x-ray look to them. On his evening I decided to take random shots after submitting some thoughts, and most of the photos were dark. When I decided to lighten them up is when I saw what is attached via link. I'm not a photo expert and have to advance image software, so please feel free to have at the original to see what you can further identify or laugh out loud. :-)
I used an older Sony Webcam model.


Just to recap how this was captured; I was experiencing what others have mentioned via the forum of seeing physical responses to their thoughts/requests for a sightng. This was usually after meditating, but my experiences were in response to me standing outside and simply looking up and asking.
In most cases, a shooting star that only traveled the is distance of your residence would emerge (usually looked like sparkle fireworks).
Although, I've been shown/seen mulitiple feint stars glide across the sky, strobing red and blue lit stars near my home (one I know it was a ship due to seeing a black silhouette as night was falling) and stars pulse a bright white light and then ascend upward into the night sky. There's been other experiences, but you get the idea.

Ok, enough rambling......http://s656.photobucket.com/albums/u...in%20backyard/

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seafury

Also, my views on this crappy picture and all other "loose evidence" are not necessarily my views on everything Steven Greer has ever done.

Steven Greer turned a charlatan after his disclosure project, I happen to be a fan of that early work of his, but clearly, anyone who takes one look at this so called CSETI evidence (anyone rational enough) will probably fall off their chair laughing at the absurdity. Unfortunately, some people don't have a rationale or open minded enough to accept that the man is now a fraud, his early accomplishment does not justify his behavior since.

[Kra]

[tone3jaguar]

Yeah you are probably right, the full on light craft and emf detectors pegging after the contact meditation where all probably just mass hallucinations of the 70 or so people who were there and saw it.

Have fun living in a fish bowl, I like it out here in the rest of the house.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Yeah you are probably right, the full on light craft and emf detectors pegging after the contact meditation where all probably just mass hallucinations of the 70 or so people who were there and saw it.

I'm not gonna waste too much of my time with you, but it's worth a try.

Here's what Steven Greer is presenting - as evidence - to the world:

Have fun living in a fish bowl, I like it out here in the rest of the house.

In fact I've had my own contact experiences. I don't need to be extorted by an individual to go on some expedition. That would be living in a fish bowl.

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I'm not gonna waste too much of my time with you, but it's worth a try.

Rolls Eyes

In fact I've had my own contact experiences. I don't need to be extorted by an individual to go on some expedition. That would be living in a fish bowl.

Rolls Eyes 2x

[jaby]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Steven Greer turned a charlatan after his disclosure project, I happen to be a fan of that early work of his, but clearly, anyone who takes one look at this so called CSETI evidence (anyone rational enough) will probably fall off their chair laughing at the absurdity. Unfortunately, some people don't have a rationale or open minded enough to accept that the man is now a fraud, his early accomplishment does not justify his behavior since.

Lets use a bit of critical thinking here....you accuse Greer of being a fraud
and a charlatan....now granted....the photo IS funny...so very EASY to
rubbish and dismiss.

Wouldn't a fraud and a charlatan produce something better than this?


Would a fraud and a charlatan set themselves up for the level of ridicule
that will naturally follow the release of this stuff?



I asked you about the picture YOU presented here (post 15)..did you
create it yourself...?


You really have got it in for Steven Greer, haven't you.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by jaby

Lets use a bit of critical thinking here...

There doesn't seem to be any critical thinking on your part or the others who support this man. Anybody who does the slightest of research or even a simple Google search on Steven Greer will find all the information they need. This latest incident is yet another reminder of the constant antics and outlandish behavior Greer has exhibited for years.

[jaby]

Originally Posted by Majorion

There doesn't seem to be any critical thinking on your part or the others who support this man. Anybody who does the slightest of research or even a simple Google search on Steven Greer will find all the information they need. This latest incident is yet another reminder of the constant antics and outlandish behavior Greer has exhibited for years.

You have side-stepped the point I was making.


I presume that Greer is presenting this in good faith...what-ever
people might think.


If he was just drumming up trade for the gatherings..wouldn't he
present something more palatable...oh, I don't know...like a 'traditional' little
grey peeping out of the bushes?


I'm sure there's tons of anti-Greer stuff to be had on the internet...IMO he
is the natural target for a smear campaign. For those who want to smear
him, for what-ever reason.

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by Seafury

Also, your statement about playing victim makes no sense.

So the general reaction of the hard lined closed minded skeptics in this thread that go something like...

"I can't believe he is trying to pass this off on me, how dare he"

....Is not playing the victim? How so?

[Seafury]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

So the general reaction of the hard lined closed minded skeptics in this thread that go something like...

"I can't believe he is trying to pass this off on me, how dare he"

....Is not playing the victim? How so?

Because I called your BS. That means I haven't been victimized.

It's like getting jumped in an alley and sending the rat back into the street with his tail between his legs.

And if all it takes is to call BS on an all-black photo to be a hard lined closed minded skeptic, then I guess I'm Michael Shermer.

[tone3jaguar]

Seafury, I hate to burst your bubble, but the victim comment was not directed at any one particular person. Why take it so personally?