The Heather Material

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by metaw3

It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube, it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.




And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

I'm going to catch grief for this but ....oh well.

Again...I know none of these folks so I come at this from what is displayed and had not a whole lot of opinion on this before a few days ago.

I deal in facts...what I can see and touch and logically deduce

The IP thing - If you are basing guilt or innocence on that....I can have 5 different IPs before I stop typing this sentence...Big places with lots of room broadcast 1 IP address to the world

If you are basing it on what Bill revealed early on:

The IP address the same...See above and the fact that Ben had multiple logons...Missing was the fact that Ben had created them after he was banned in an attempt to have access to Avalon

His reasons for wanting on so badly was his own...I would have probably done the same

The above video of one of his defenders....really seems like a smear campaign...I'm an okay guy but I have bad days...and I also don't publish myself as an edgy game reviewer...so the Video of the guy losing his mind on the vid game is really inappropriate.

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all

i agree

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i read the pdf and bills notes. how bill noted the information presented is how i mentally picutre all information that i look at. nobody knows anything for sure about anything. interesting as always and filed away in the memory of things ive heard or read. ive digested the information but that does not mean that i think its true or beleive anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDnE...eature=related

[Linda]

I agree that video of Marco made in 2008 was silly and pretty wild, but those gamers are into those things, but it was tagged as a comedy.

Who has done things in the past that they wish they could just forget about?

Like Stargazer, I only deal in facts and think it looks like a smear campaign.

This is not about Marco, it's about Heather's material. ALL of it.
We can make up our own minds once everything is released.

I just want to know why it is taking so long for somebody to make some kind of statement.

[SteveX]

My observations on the PDF...for what it's worth. I'm not a specialist in any field but I will draw on my experience as a hobbyist writer.

Firstly, without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written. It is not consistent with the level of an education a qualified MD / scientist would have. Spelling, grammar and punctuation. Is there evidence this was written in hast? Even then I would have thought someone’s cognitive abilities be second nature.

I got the distinct impression two authors were involved. The second author’s grammatical composition was very poor. Was it written from memory by another author?

Not only that it seemed 2 stories we're being spliced into one. This could be due to the second author’s grammar / writing ability but those areas of composition relate off the main narrative to a third party.

I am not expert or hold a say here. Just stating my observations of the text.

No consultation fee sort or required. No copyright implied. Free for public use and recommend everything be put behind us.

[Gnosis5]

It sort of reads like some of the stuff that comes out in some people's past life sessions, and I have heard a much of this before.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I originally thought it was a good decision made by Bill for the reason that the entire situation seemed very shady and should have been nipped in the bud before it went any further.
I also agree with Kerry that everyone should get their chance to speak their truth and I felt I judged too quickly.

Be that as it may, if a 'whistleblower', writing that term is beginning to make me feel nauseous more and more lately wants to put out their information and use Camelot as their venue, there were other more productive ways to do it instead of this convoluted way now causing infighting between them, was this their intended purpose?

I do agree with all who say this woman "Heather" does not sound very well educated especially given she was supposed to be an MD. It sounds more like she was a lacky that didn't have any command of herself or what she did at all.

Maybe they are all that way working for the ptb, slaves to them, again who really knows.

Until we see all the material complete with substantiated proof I don't know how true this story is, or maybe it is precisely that....a story.

I would also add there are many who would love to break apart Camalot and Project Avalon, and who wouldn't think twice about pulling a stunt like this to darken their credibility.

[Linda]

This should not be about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Linda

This should not about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents

So ... do Bill & Kerry interview every man and his dog? Become your own disinfo agent? If so how credible would a genuine whistleblower be seen in all that lot?

Surely some discernment if preferable.

[Linda]

Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Linda

Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.

I dare say I would read everything involved here but it's not. The threadee invited discussion. Working off what little info is actually supplied.... namely the pdf, it seems very dubious.

If there was a prior email or conversation that pdf was not written by the author then that would change my opinion. We'll have to wait and see.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Linda

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

We said in another thread, this was probably going to take several days - not to mention it is a holiday weekend in the USA and people are busy with personal lives, etc. Also, the moderators here are volunteers, from time zones all around the world, with lives busy with work and personal activities - it is much more difficult to get a meeting of these minds than one might imagine.

As we saw with Henry Deacon - whistleblowers come out and say some things, then they can get scared and isolate themselves, sometimes repeating this cycle, and sometimes never coming out again.

I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area - as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues. We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.

[Linda]

Thanks for your post Karen.

I KNOW how explosive this subject is and hopefully we, the public will finally get the truth about these forbidden projects that can destroy mankind.

[seeingterra]

I have a couple of personal remarks regarding this entire subject.

1. Release the material with personal disclaimers from Bill and/or Kerry if any of them wish to do so. The notes in the PDF file is more than sufficient in my view along with a personal disclaimer. Personal disclaimers has been done before on PC, and so it should be done regarding all subjects\whistle-blowers in all that is fair, in my view.

2. Do not for any reason release IP addresses or any personal details that can risk the identity of the whistle-blower, no matter what the case may be. This should go without question in all cases.

This is about all I have to say regarding this subject.

Best regards,

Tommy

[Linda]

Originally Posted by Karen

I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area - as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues.
We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.

I do not know Kinsuemei2 , but fear for his safety.

Those who have done their homework in this area understand HOW explosive this subject matter is.

I only hope that all the parties are safe and will be allowed to show their evidence and were not silenced.

I am hoping that Kerry will release the interview with Kinsuemei2 and the 9 Heather files he spoke of to warn mankind.

Some of us know that many of those sci-fi movies and video games had truth hidden inside of them.

Luckily, many are now connecting the dots and can see through the deception and can spot the debunkers.

[redtailhawk]

Linda, perhaps you should heed Hiram's post. You claim you do not know "Kinsuemei2 ", yet your posts imply other wise....

[Linda]

Originally Posted by redtailhawk

Linda, perhaps you should heed Hiram's post. You claim you do not know "Kinsuemei2", yet your posts imply other wise....

I have no connection to Kinsuemei2 whatsoever as some on this board can verify if necessary. I am just a woman in my 60's from the west coast who has been there, done that and is no fool.

No need to direct me to anybody's post who you may think is qualified to understand this subject. I spend all my time studying everything and come to my own conclusions based on my instincts, experiences and deep research.

I only want the truth like MOST of the people here and hate for certain topics to be swept under the rug like it has been in the past.

Time is running out and whistle blowers must come out of hiding if they really do care about our planet and it's people.
The truth is truly stranger than fiction and we have been brainwashed and controlled for way too long.

I just hope that people will finally open up their eyes and start asking the right questions about these dangerous black operations.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by SteveX

without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written

Yep, without any doubt, a Hoax.

One Project at a time please!

[pilot]

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by pilot

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

Go to the home page. Kerry has 2 links almost side by side click the first. By the large dot.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by pilot

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

No but it's possible that comments don't show in your PDF reader. If you have Acrobat on Windows, right-click this link and save the file to your hard disk instead of opening it in your browser:
http://projectcamelot.org/billsheather1.pdf
Then in the Acrobat menu go to View > Navigation Panels > Comments.

[Fredkc]

StarGazer;
Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

No kiddin'

Pardon me if I steal that line, for all the threads that go by here, that I don't post to, and just shake my head in disbelief.

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

No kiddin'

Pardon me if I steal that line, for all the threads that go by here, that I don't post to, and just shake my head in disbelief.

ditto

Avalon is about finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

Camelot is about disclosure.

90 percent of these threads should be moved to off-topic.

[DoctorWho]

In regards to the bad grammar in the Heather material, Kimsuemi did state he was dictated to by Heather as she was afraid to use the cmputer at the time. So it would make sense that what was typed up wasn't typed by her, but by Kimsuemi as Heather dictated to him. If you look at Kimsuemi's posts and copied emails, there is some correlation in my view.
Bill "the Doctor"

[pilot]

Thanks Seeingterra, finally got it. It was useful to read Bill's notes.