Secrets of the Vatican

[lisa]

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

If you relay on somebody to show you convincing evidence, then I can tell you that you are wrong.
Please do your own homework and you'll find most of your answers within you. Remember you too are a spark of the Divine!

Everyone decides on their own beliefs, so our beliefs are derived from within whether they are correct or not.
I like to base my beliefs on objective evidence because beliefs based on subjective feelings can be clouded by our ego.
Did you watch the video posted above? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...22940736329323
I understand that this information is hard to swallow for people who have a strong religious belief that Jesus saved us by dying on the cross.
It does not proof anything to describe the information as rubbish. It would be more helpful to provide evidence to counter it.

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Everyone decides on their own beliefs, so our beliefs are derived from within whether they are correct or not.
I like to base my beliefs on objective evidence because beliefs based on subjective feelings can be clouded by our ego.
Did you watch the video posted above? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...22940736329323

Dear lisa, I took your challenge to watch the video and I can say the least that it was the worst presentation I've ever seen, based on speculations of a fooled guy... It was a waste of my time (more than an hour 1/4), but I did not have to pay for it at least...
For example @ 17:20 into the video, the guy states: "some people believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion". How's that for objective evidence?
Basically the only thing credible in the presentation was the prophecies of Edgar Casey which I already knew.

I understand that this information is hard to swallow for people who have a strong religious belief that Jesus saved us by dying on the cross.

Where did I mention that I'm a religious person in the first place?
You might say that Jesus came to save us from religion and bring us to the path of spirituality. I would agree on that.

It does not proof anything to describe the information as rubbish. It would be more helpful to provide evidence to counter it.

Jesus a.k.a. The Christ came down to Earth with a mission to fulfill. After being beaten to death then crucified and also speared while on the cross, it's outrageous to say that he somehow cheated death (even if he wanted to)

Well, everyone is free to believe whatever they want. Ignorance is bliss.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

the guy states: "some people believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion". How's that for objective evidence?

Yup, that statement is just a statement, not evidence. There are other evidence in the video.

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

Where did I mention that I'm a religious person in the first place?

It shows

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

After being beaten to death then crucified and also speared while on the cross, it's outrageous to say that he somehow cheated death

How do you know that he is beaten to death? ...and every Good Friday, there are people in Philippines who survive crucifixions.

Just trying to be devil's advocate...

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Just trying to be devil's advocate...

Looks like you're doing him a big favor.

[no caste]

Kind of good news stuff - Feb 14

Jam, cherries and beans by the Benedictines
14.02.2010
Critics say they are cashing in on centuries-old religious traditions, while others maintain they are merely fighting for survival. Either way, Poland’s business-savvy monks are making a tidy profit with their latest venture – bringing their recipes to the masses... “Most of these articles are made with all traditional recipes that were gathered by monks,” explains Ola Turkiewicz, who runs one of the five Warsaw outlets.
http://www.euranet.eu/eng/Today/News...e-Benedictines

FACTBOX - Roman Catholic Church sex
Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:36pm IST
(Reuters) - Pope Benedict and Irish bishops will hold two days of meeting on Monday and Tuesday over the vast paedophilia scandal that has rocked the Church in devoutly Roman Catholic Ireland.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...BrandChannel=0

You should see the time lines on that second article.

* IRELAND - April 2002 - Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Ferns, one of Ireland's best-known clerics, resigned over his handling of charges against a priest of his diocese who committed suicide in 1999 while facing 66 charges of sexual abuse.

-- March 2009 - Bishop John Magee of Cloyne, under fire for his handling of reports of sexual abuse, quit his daily duties to deal with the inquiry.

-- May 2009 - The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a harrowing five-volume report that took nine years to compile. It said priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-run institutions.

-- Nov. 2009 - A government-commissioned inquiry into abuse in Dublin from 1975 to 2004 released on Nov. 26 said church authorities covered up widespread cases of child sexual abuse until the mid-1990s.

-- Dec. 2009 - After meeting two Irish Church leaders, Pope Benedict says he shares the "outrage, betrayal and shame" over the scandal in their country.

* UNITED STATES - Dec. 2002 - Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law resigned over charges he transferred clerical abusers to other parishes to cover up the scandal.

-- June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops directed dioceses to investigate all charges of sexual abuse.

-- Feb. 2004 - Independent researchers commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said a total of 10,667 people accused U.S. priests of child sexual abuse from 1950 through 2002. More than 17 percent of accusers had siblings who were also allegedly abused. Among accusers, 47 percent said they had been abused numerous times.

-- July 2007, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay $660 million to 500 victims of sexual abuse dating as far back as the 1940s in the largest compensation deal of its kind.

-- April 2008 Pope Benedict met victims of sexual abuse by priests during his visit to the United States in an effort to heal the scars. The U.S. Church has paid some $2 billion in settlements to victims since the scandal first broke in 1992.

-- Oct. 2009 - The diocese of Wilmington, Delaware filed for bankruptcy protection. It later agreed to provide documents to alleged sex abuse victims to postpone the start of about 80 civil cases. Since 2002, the Wilmington diocese has settled eight cases for an average of about $780,000 each.

* AUSTRALIA - July 2008 - On a visit to Australia, Pope Benedict apologised for sexual abuse by clergy, condemning it as "evil" and saying abusers should be brought to justice. At that time there had been 107 convictions for sexual abuse in the Catholic Church there.

* AUSTRIA - July 2004 - Austrian News magazine Profil ran pictures of priests kissing and groping seminarians at a Roman Catholic seminary in the St. Poelten diocese.

* BRITAIN - July 2000 - London Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor acknowledged making a mistake in a previous post in the 1980s by allowing a paedophile priest to continue working. The priest was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.

* CANADA - Oct 2009 - Bishop Raymond Lahey of Antigonish in Nova Scotia was charged with possession and importation of child pornography. Earlier this year, he had overseen a C$13 million ($12 million) settlement with clerical abuse victims in the Antigonish diocese in a case dating back to 1950.

* MEXICO - March 2009 - Pope Benedict ordered a probe of the Legion of Christ priestly order whose founder was discovered to be a sexual molester. In 2006, Pope Benedict told the founder, Father Marcial Maciel, to retire to a life of "prayer and penitence". Maciel died in 2008.

No immunity from civil law!! Aiding and abetting priest terrorists!! I wonder how many people and children this all adds up to. Hmm. I guess it wouldn't apply to any secret rituals in the basement... but it smells like a bit of fresh air. TRUTH WILL WIN ALL, one hopes...