Nag Hammadi

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by ojibway

This is difficult concept, or perhaps an "impossible" concept is a more appropiate word. It is external sources that has formed our train of thought, it has become our foundation. And as you say what is good for some people is the result of bad that has happened to another. What we perceive as good and evil is a result of our foundation, but I do believe you are right and that this is our ego. Whether or not the ego manifests as benevolent or malevolent is a result of external sources. Alot of people say that they are filled with light and love, but is this just not the ego, manifested differently, but is it not still just the ego. I do not think we can escape the ego, it is always with us.

You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true. I agree that filling oneself with love and light and then using this to distinquish oneself from those that arn't filled with love and light is creating a distinction or a seperation from the rest of creation. We are creating a judgement that we cannot validate as we are not that which we are judging. Through respecting each individuals relationship (or lack of) with the creator as their own responsibility and not our own and the level of light shining inside us as a relationship to the degree of closeness or seperation we have with the creator then we do indeed see that we are all one in our individuality and that is what it is all about.

[ojibway]

Originally Posted by Initiate

You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true.

The most difficult thing I have in accepting that the light of love within us is the answer is that it just does not feel right to be "the" answer. There is something going on with this planet, and it is at a planetary scale. Because of this intuition, this guiding, I cannot stop at having empathy for my fellow humans. It is going too take more than this to correct was has and is transpiring. This is indeed my reflection, but I am following my destiny. This is something that I can say for the first time, my destiny, not the destiny that society wants me to follow, my destiny. I am not at all certain what this destiny is, nor what it will entail, but as my gnosis increases so does my understanding. It is quite invigorating and at the same time despairing. I am not liking what I am finding out, but at the same time I...wonder.

[Initiate]

As I have begun to study the wisdom of kabbalah, more and more this wisdom seems to be that same wisdom inherent in the message that Jesus and his disciples attempted to deliver 2000 years ago. So much so that I searched for a link between them. I believe Jesus came to show us a true way to relate to the creator. Religion at the time sought to oppress and control. Religion at the time sought to get us to bribe the creator by doing certain things externally to "make things right". Kabbalah teaches that the Light from source is a constant. It shines equally on people who are like the creator and people who are not like the creator in their attributes. The quality of bestowal from the Creator is a constant never ending force on intention. If we want to change our relationship with the creator it is we who need to change our attitude and not the creator who changes it's attitude towards us.

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What kind of religious philosophy were Jesus and his disciples studying from 29 CE � 33 CE? They couldn't have been studying Christianity because The New Testament wasn't completed until 325 CE (almost 300 years after the crucifixion). They surely weren't studying Buddhism or Hinduism, so this leaves just one possibility � they must have been studying the timeless, ancient wisdom of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah (which was very popular in Israel during this time).

Jesus veiled many Kabbalistic truths when he spoke to the masses (Matthew 13:34). "All these things Jesus spoke unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them" (KJV). Especially, when Jesus referred to the innermost power of the soul, he spoke in metaphors. An example of such a metaphor, is when Jesus refers to the "God-within" or illuminated soul: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you..." (Luke 17:20-21, KJV).

He also refers to "The Father in secret": "...pray to thy Father which is in secret..." (Matthew 6:18, KJV). This is another Kabbalistic reference to the eternal spark known as "neshamah" or the God-like quality of each individual soul.

When Jesus refers to himself as the "Son of Man" (Mark 10:45, KJV), he is using a Kabbalistic phrase that was also used by Ezekiel and Daniel in The Jewish Bible, "Son of man, speak to the children of thy people" (Ezek. 33:2, JPS), "there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man" (Dan. 7:13, JPS). In Kabbalah, the term "Son of Man" describes the soul's downward refection of the original man "created" on the sixth day (Gen. 1:27, JPS). This original man is known in Kabbalah as "The Adam Kadmon" (the first and last Adam).

Paul refers to Jesus as the "the last Adam": 1 Corinthians 15:45, "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (KJV). This title of A-dam Kad-mon is defined as, "the one and only (or only begotten) 'Over Soul' of all humanity." According to Kabbalah,, the first Adam breaks apart (or is crucified) into trillions of "little souls". Each descending soul becomes a "Son of Man" that is striving to reach spiritual perfection. When these trillions of souls have achieved "messianic consciousness", they will reunite to form "the last Adam". This "resurrection" of the last Adam Kadmon will come at "the end of times", or the end of the physical Universe (that gave its life for the sake of all mankind; Einstein's Big Crunch). At this final stage in matter, all souls will experience an "ascension" back to pure Spirit, or the One Divine Source.

When examining the sayings of Jesus, it becomes apparent that he was familiar with the ancient wisdom teachings of Kabbalah and the messianic power of each individual soul. His intended message came straight from the heart of Kabbalistic philosophy: "the soul enters into this Universe by immaculate conception (as spirit falls into matter), and then exits when the Universe comes to an end (as matter ascends back into spirit)."

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Originally Posted by Initiate

[snipped] If we want to change our relationship with the creator it is we who need to change our attitude and not the creator who changes it's attitude towards us.

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What kind of religious philosophy were Jesus and his disciples studying from 29 CE � 33 CE? They couldn't have been studying Christianity because The New Testament wasn't completed until 325 CE (almost 300 years after the crucifixion). They surely weren't studying Buddhism or Hinduism, so this leaves just one possibility � they must have been studying the timeless, ancient wisdom of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah (which was very popular in Israel during this time).

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Thank you for that data. I honestly never thought about it before. Largely because I see much of Buddha's earlier teachings in Jesus' teachings. Not all, but much. The ability for people to travel was not as limited as one might imagine.

Jesus certainly did manage to plow Rome under, over time.

Is it not true that the Vedas are the oldest spiritual guidance texts commonly known?

Are there any earlier discovered spiritual texts?