I could have done the McCollum interview..

[Stargazer1965]

You know I did not name this thread correctly.....but Its breathing well on it's own....Peace

[Chamber]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

You know I did not name this thread correctly.....but Its breathing well on it's own....Peace

It was a thought you had....you expressed it...therefore the thread IS accurately titled.

I would like to point out that there is a huge difference between questioning the legitimacy of a whistleblower...and questioning the validity and accuracy of what they're claiming in the interview.

A lie that one believes to be true and volunteers the info...does not make one a liar.

Also...a threat, attack, surveillance etc does not automatically validate what they are claiming.

So do not confuse the critique of the information being presented as a critique of the individual presenting the information.

Personally, I think Kerry gets too involved with the information being presented and is somewhat emotionally attached to what is being said...both when it confirms her beliefs and when it conflicts with her beliefs. A good interviewer....someone allowing another to really present their own facts and opinions...asks questions from a non-dualistic perspective.

If I could make a single suggestion on any and all future interviews....it would be to ask the whistleblower this question...

Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?

The answer to that...or more specifically the reaction to that question would speak volumes about the person being asked.

[eleni]

Originally Posted by Chamber

Also...a threat, attack, surveillance etc does not automatically validate what they are claiming.

So do not confuse the critique of the information being presented as a critique of the individual presenting the information.

Personally, I think Kerry gets too involved with the information being presented and is somewhat emotionally attached to what is being said...both when it confirms her beliefs and when it conflicts with her beliefs. A good interviewer....someone allowing another to really present their own facts and opinions...asks questions from a non-dualistic perspective.

If I could make a single suggestion on any and all future interviews....it would be to ask the whistleblower this question...

Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?

The answer to that...or more specifically the reaction to that question would speak volumes about the person being asked.

I completely agree with what was stated above.

I mentioned the *attack* because something was said that set off their meter obviously. What it was, I do not know since a variety of topics were being discussed and it may not have had anything to do with Aaron either.
It could have been me or maybe it really was something Aaron spoke about or it could have been a target *atack* to warn MKULTRA conference speakers.

For some bizarre reason the MK program is something that sets off their meters. When Duncan did the Other World Radio interview with Sandra Sabatini black helis flew over her place during the show.

They don't want sleepers waking up and when they do wake up and come forward they use scare tactics.

[swordsmith]

eleni, it is hard to imagine what you have been through, and still are. I am very glad you are friends with Aaron. I take some comfort in your support of each other and hope more will be able to come forward seeing your courage.

The Mk Ultra program and its many offshoots is so utterly abhorrant to me, I have nothing but respect for the survivors, especially the vocal ones.

I guess it is fashionable to bash the interviewees nowadays, sort of a swing from when peeps hung on every word. My god, the eye movements from Aaron looked to me like a stress reaction, and who wouldnt be? I have a very good BS meter, and it never went off once, looking forward to part 2.
On a side note I also experienced great mental/physical distress January 5th when he mentioned a magnetic event had taken place. I had not heard or seen any other reference of this.

Being vocal about these heinous crimes is the only way to go. bless you

[3optic]

Originally Posted by Chamber

Personally, I think Kerry gets too involved with the information being presented and is somewhat emotionally attached to what is being said...both when it confirms her beliefs and when it conflicts with her beliefs. A good interviewer....someone allowing another to really present their own facts and opinions...asks questions from a non-dualistic perspective.

If I could make a single suggestion on any and all future interviews....it would be to ask the whistleblower this question...

Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?

The answer to that...or more specifically the reaction to that question would speak volumes about the person being asked.

Chamber your comments on Kerry's interview style may be true to some extent. It seems to me interview styles depend on the format and the relationship between the subject and interviewer.

For example Mike Wallace and many like him might take a "Devil's advocate" point of view to provoke a reaction that might reveal more than the subject would normally by provoking an emotional response. This is decidedly not in the non-dualistic frame you are calling for. The way clever journalists conduct interviews might be a grab bag of techniques to elicit unguarded reactions.

Non-dualistic principles don't really apply journalism the way you've described. It's the age old argument about bias in reporting. The mere act of placing more attention on one subject over another is an indication of dualistic bias. There is no "non-dualistic perspective" in an interview because the questions require a desire for answers. (She might have asked Aaron what is the sound of one hand clapping. )

PC has said that theirs is not a conventional style. I find it helpful to watch, read, and listen to material from a variety of sources and let my intuition sort it out. ATM this interview is still settling into my subconscious..

"3optic, why should anyone believe what you're saying?"

"They shouldn't. I have Munchausen Syndrome. I like getting attention from people on weird esoteric forums."

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone:

I intend to find time over the next few days, if I can, to catch up with the questions on my own thread. (There's been a huge amount going on behind the scenes which has been occupying Kerry and myself considerably). But I absolutely have to make a few comments here.

Originally Posted by Chamber

I would like to point out that there is a huge difference between questioning the legitimacy of a whistleblower...and questioning the validity and accuracy of what they're claiming in the interview.

A lie that one believes to be true and volunteers the info...does not make one a liar.

Also...a threat, attack, surveillance etc does not automatically validate what they are claiming.

So do not confuse the critique of the information being presented as a critique of the individual presenting the information.

Personally, I think Kerry gets too involved with the information being presented and is somewhat emotionally attached to what is being said...both when it confirms her beliefs and when it conflicts with her beliefs. A good interviewer....someone allowing another to really present their own facts and opinions...asks questions from a non-dualistic perspective.

If I could make a single suggestion on any and all future interviews....it would be to ask the whistleblower this question...

Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?

The answer to that...or more specifically the reaction to that question would speak volumes about the person being asked.

...is a highly intelligent contribution. By picking this out, I'm not in any way minimizing the value of any other comments... and there have been many good observations on this thread.

I wasn't in LA to assist Kerry with the interview, so I watched it with great interest as did everyone else here.

I first met Aaron at the Camelot Conference in LA last September. My immediate strong impression of him was that he was bright, energetic, honest, eager to help, and someone I could immediately trust to do anything we asked.

He helped us out in a million ways behind the scenes without ever attracting attention to himself or seeking credit. He was 100% reliable, was always on the spot to assist when something needed to be done, and he impressed me a great deal. I'd have him in my team.

He had some major memory gaps, and it was immediately clear that something had happened to him and that he had been involved in some unusual program. He was trying hard to put the pieces together. He was puzzled and concerned about his own life and, like Duncan O'Finioan, was driven and determined to get to the bottom of it all.

Given what he believes is true about himself (and it all might very well be), he has real courage in coming forward so openly under his own name. Do recognize that. He's a little nervous, but - think about it - you can't be brave without also being frightened.

I've seen some sketches and photos he's produced (not shown on the video) and they're pretty thought-provoking. Having said that, a lot of what he stated in the interview was his best speculation, and he was absolutely doing what he could to state what he knew or thought he knew.

The provenance of information is critically important. What's first-hand? What's second-hand? What's casual military gossip? What's been seen on the internet? What comes from flashbacks or dreams? What's channeled? What's embellished? What's imagined?

These are questions that are at the heart of everything we all care about here - and the answers are not always obvious, even when talking directly and at length with a witness. As time goes on, these questions have become more and more important to me.

And to add a caveat here, anyone who's seen the excellent Jason Bourne trilogy can believe that flashbacks and dreams of events do NOT mean that they are unreal. They just point to directions to dig further in the physical, waking world.

There's definitely something going on in and around Yemen, but we don't yet know what it is. We need to keep watching. It might "just" be a political scenario, and I will need some convincing that this is anything to do with a Stargate or synthetic beings.

The Gulf of Aden Stargate story has been around for a while and has got itself all mixed up with NESARA and the Galactic Federation of Light, which is a huge red flag for me.

Stargates are certainly real (as synthetic humans probably are), but they are pretty small - jumproom size, so to speak. The claimed satellite photo of the "Gulf of Aden Stargate" just shows a dust storm... the swirl effect is 200-300 miles across and is certainly no "Stargate".

The amount of energy needed to hold open that kind of breach of spacetime would be enough to consume the planet, and would not be stable. Stargates would not be visible from orbit without very specialized equipment, like the kind of super-sophisticated technology (see our interview with Wade Frazier) that detects over-unity devices when they power up and "become visible" - wherever they may be.

I have a problem with people relying rather too faithfully on internet "research", and all in all YouTube is probably more helpful to the disinformationists than it is to the truth-seekers. Finding out what's REALLY going on is REALLY hard.

I can go on and on about this, as it's frustrating (to say the least). At Camelot we've always tried to follow our instincts and cross-check where we can, sharing our journey on camera with our audience. It's a journey of exploration and discovery for us just as much as it is for our visitors. We're trying to assemble a mosaic that's incredibly complex.

And one problem is that some witnesses are messed with (memory loss, medical problems, emotional issues, or leaned on and find themselves obliged to maintain split loyalties) - and I do not mean this unkindly.

The vast majority of them are quite wonderful and well-meaning people. But not all of their information can be relied upon automatically. We know this. If anyone still thinks we're deliberately peddling disinformation, they're either not very bright or are not very good students of human nature.

A proportion of the information we relay is bound to be incorrect or conjectural. It's inevitable. Really, we're just indicating directions and locations where others can look: and this is where Aaron did himself great credit, by urging viewers to check out for themselves everything he was talking about.

Like many of us, he doesn't know exactly what's going on - but he's hungry to find out, and I wish we had more in the world like him. He's determined, wants to know who he is and why he's here, refuses to accept the lies he's been told, and is astonishingly brave: I too am looking forward to the second interview, and hope that the fact that it's been stated so clearly by him that he will reveal more doesn't in some way stop that interview from happening.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[Rena]

Hi Bill,
I'm glad you said what you said about the picture floating around being the supposed stargate. It is merely an older photo of a dust storm Dated March 4, 2009. I just finished posting this on the Project Camelot forum, Peace, Rena. Here is the link:

http://www.eosnap.com/?tag=gulf-of-aden

[NancyV]

Chamber, I'm curious what you would think if a person being interviewed answered the question you posed, "Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?", with an answer like "I don't really give a **** (choose your own graphic 4 letter word) what anyone thinks about what I say or if they believe me or not."

To me this would be a GREAT response and would indicate that the person telling his/her story has no need of approval and is confident enough within himself that he does not need the agreement or belief of anyone else. I know this is what I have said when asked that question. My husband has been asked that several times when telling his experiences and basically he doesn't care what anyone else thinks or believes.

I would hope that MOST interviewees, including Aaron, would feel this way, since there will always be many who criticize and call you a liar if you tell your story. We are much more centered when our sense of self worth does not depend upon any corroboration from others and cannot be shaken by other's disbelief or criticism. Why Kerry doesn't ask that question, I don't know, but it's possible many would find it insulting if they were told "I don't care WHAT you think about my experiences!". So perhaps Kerry is wise to NOT ask it.

Nancy

Originally Posted by Chamber

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If I could make a single suggestion on any and all future interviews....it would be to ask the whistleblower this question...

Why should anyone watching believe what you are saying?

The answer to that...or more specifically the reaction to that question would speak volumes about the person being asked.

[burgundia]

My advice to all the people being interviewed would be: do not roll your eyes, do not look to the side, do not look up or down, do not speak too slowly or too fast, look like an average Joe, if you have a nervous tick forget about giving an interview as it is a sign of not being a trustworthy person. Aha and be between 50 -70 years old.

[tron]

its interesting to hear from someone my age..
seagates sound exciting... wondering if some seagates were ment to be underwater at there construction or they went under later.

Ha! His dog makes the same sounds as mine.

He has a pitbull from the sound of the "moan".
I bet its a huggabull one!

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by tron

seagates sound exciting... wondering if some seagates were ment to be underwater at there construction or they went under later...

About the only thing I could find on Project Seagate

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Majorion

About the only thing I could find on Project Seagate

Thanks Majorion for looking... shame the book didn't have anything of substance.

Though the last pic, the black & white one was very intriguing huh? not in relation to the alleged Aden stargate but just in general I mean.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Though the last pic, the black & white one was very intriguing huh? not in relation to the alleged Aden stargate but just in general I mean.

Well my friends from Pegasus were discussing that picture a while ago here

If you ask me though, its nothing

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Well my friends from Pegasus were discussing that picture a while ago here

If you ask me though, its nothing

Oh if you are reading this ZORGON the forum is free again, we'd love it if you came back.. everyone greatly appreciated your contribution and information.

Of course Mr Lear would be wonderful to see you too.

Respect + gratitude x infinity.

[Seashore]

I think the eye movement was simply a mannerism.

[Firinn]

Originally Posted by Seashore

I think the eye movement was simply a mannerism.

This gives quite a straight forward explanation of "eye accessing cues"
http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Misc_p..._accessing.htm

Would seem Mr. McCollum was recalling a lot of stuff i.e. not making it up. Aslo looking to the side often at ear level would tell me his primary modality is "Auditory".


Can be a useful tool in undersanding where someone is "coming from" but certainly not "fool proof". Hopefuly this information will add another string to someones bow when viewing their next interview.

Love
Firinn

[lawyerforliberty]

Originally Posted by Firinn

This gives quite a straight forward explanation of "eye accessing cues"
http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Misc_p..._accessing.htm

Would seem Mr. McCollum was recalling a lot of stuff i.e. not making it up. Aslo looking to the side often at ear level would tell me his primary modality is "Auditory".


Can be a useful tool in undersanding where someone is "coming from" but certainly not "fool proof". Hopefuly this information will add another string to someones bow when viewing their next interview.

Love
Firinn

Thank you for this link. I have read similar things before.

However, McCollum's eye movement was a rapid flicker horizontially to the left. It always followed a blink of his eyes. It was not a sustained look as if he was trying to recall or construct anything. He blinked a lot during the interview, but not once did he make the rapid flick of the eyes to the left while speaking. Only while listening. I may be wrong, but I think it was controlled.

Having said I would probably not give this any more thought I just did. But now I'm done.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by lawyerforliberty

Thank you for this link. I have read similar things before.

However, McCollum's eye movement was a rapid flicker horizontially to the left. It always followed a blink of his eyes. It was not a sustained look as if he was trying to recall or construct anything. He blinked a lot during the interview, but not once did he make the rapid flick of the eyes to the left while speaking. Only while listening. I may be wrong, but I think it was controlled.

Having said I would probably not give this any more thought I just did. But now I'm done.

Yes, that's right, he only made the rapid left flick while listening.

[whatsmyrole]

After watching this video, i felt like i really wanted to believe everything that was being said but for some reason was not 100% sold on it. I cant figure out why either. I tried to do some research on Aaron but really only found these few things.

Just thought i would share them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391740/
http://www.mjwproductions.com/Dance/veterans.html
http://www.empac.rpi.edu/events/2009...dmc_screening/
http://laist.com/2008/02/19/vets_tell_the_r_3.php
http://www.meetup.com/members/10238373/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb...ment/et-marks6
http://www1.va.gov/vetevent/wsc/2008...e08.cfm?ID=263

[SteveX]

As a side bar to the topic the links provided by Whatsmyrole are kind of scary. I don't mean Aaron is scary just the fact that so much can be found out by a google search.

I think I'll delete my real name off the net. I don't want strangers knowing where I live, work, hobbies, friends or anything else.

back to topic

[Spiritelemental]

Interesting stuff...

[Spiritelemental]

Project Camelot should try to interview Timothy Thrapp. He knows much more than Wade Frazier does in my opinion.

Please listen to this hour long audio interview. It starts off a bit slow, but picks up a great deal later on.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfu.../09/29/timothy

[Ravencalls]

What do a pirate and an alien have in common?.....

I will leave it an open joke for now.. ..

clue~ it has nothing to do with ships !

Anyway about all this talk on the Project Seagate and McCollum....

well all I can say is if its true.... we should be getting more people comming out to speak about it....and eventually we might get some info on Google about it.. ~smile~

keep it comming...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Coming out of the shadows to say that I am extremely happy that Bill entered into this discussion. Just knowing that you trust him makes me give Aaron a second chance. I was on the skeptic side, and still largely am (I am interested in the esoteric but I am nowhere near the level that many people are on who research and have a native understanding, so it is easy for me to be skeptic.)

Everyone's comments have a place in this thread, and discussing the discussion is kind of silly when we could be discussing Aaron!

[gscraig]

Well stated Mr. Ryan, well stated indeed.