can you FORGIVE us?

[illuminate]

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[Kulapops]

All we need is love

I quite agree, and you, Illuminate have written here from the heart.

How good that feels to read. Truth. Your truth. In an alternative media full of extortions.

How different that reads to hearsay and speculation and fear based conjecture.

If only everyone would write and speak their truth from their heart, we would know each other so much better.

Thanks for your writing. Yes, forgiving ourselves is surely the first step, but using our hearts comes even before that i'm sure!

Peace n love n thanks

K

[Shaynard]

Beautiful thread illuminate... Thank you

Learning forgiveness is the lesson because it allows us to maintain our love at all times and therefor know it even more truly. Share it with everyone.

I forgive us, for we did not know... or rather .. could not remember.

Also, I forgive myself for what I have forgotten.

In light of love
Shaynard

[illuminate]

[Kulapops]

You know... it's worth bumping this thread... because I can see it slide idly into oblivion, while postings about the doings of the American administration and advance civilisation and all that claptrap you already know about because you've been mopping it up for the last year or so are riding high at the top of the Avalon hit parade.

So take a moment to ask yourself, who have you forgiven today ?

Forgiveness requires action, and reading about the various ends of the world in different scenarios only requires your attention and your energy to invest in hopelessness.

So c'mon... get with the love program. It's provable. Tell someone you love them, they feel great! You tell someone you forgive them - you feel better.

You read about Israel planning a war with Iran, how does that make you feel? Or about the American military moving into Haiti and making it into a large deep sea oil terminal ? Not good.

Bad news sells papers. Avalon seems to be no different. Watch all those really great and earnest posts slide away and drop off into the darkness.

This was one great heart thread I really enjoyed today. When it slips off the radar, will you come back here? Will you remember what was said?

Will we learn to forgive, too? Do you forgive Bush? Do you forgive Blair? Do you forgive the Illuminati?

Only when we can learn to forgive will we move forward, and the duality of right and wrong will become the unity that is love.

K

[Shaynard]

Today I have begun my day as I do everyday. Forgiving myself for forgetting.

Soon after I noticed that there was an "issue" within my home due to someone's poor decidsion. I smiled, and forgived them. Then proceeded to do my best to solve the "issue".

Next I knew I was reading some emails that contained some things I did not enjoy. I forgave those involved for their actions, and existence for allowing it to be so. I quickly saw "The Big Picture" so to speak, and found it all wonderful in a grand design.

JUST before this post, I was working with someone on another forum who was hurting themselves, and remaining very close minded and blind to themselves. During the conversation, I began to feel 'anger" and realized I must stop, center myself, forgive them, and send them my love.

This is a never ending process for me, one which I apply to my own life and the universe alike.. Centering.. Remembering.. Forgiving.. Loving.. Being.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[illuminate]

wow.

Kula that was so moving, it made me cry
tears of joy and love
you truly get it

and Shaynard, Astra, and everyone who has posted
or read with understanding...
you all remind me why I should always battle my ego

my ego tells me not to write posts like this
it told me not to start this thread
that no-one would care
no-one wanted to hear this
that it wouldn't matter
that it wouldn't make a difference

and I always hesitate to say anything
because I don't want it to be about me
but I feel if I don't share a true and intimate part of myself
then how could I ask you to share your love

you've really blown me away Kula...
AMEN my brother, I am so proud to be a part of you!
I AM so proud to be a part of each of you!!!

each and everyone of YOU makes a difference
everyday
with every thought

so please
I beg you
let's tip the scales and create the reality we all want


I love you!

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by illuminate

my ego tells me not to write posts like this
it told me not to start this thread
that no-one would care
no-one wanted to hear this
that it wouldn't matter
that it wouldn't make a difference

and I always hesitate to say anything
because I don't want it to be about me
but I feel if I don't share a true and intimate part of myself
then how could I ask you to share your love


I love you!

You know Illuminate, I really wrestled with this when I first joined this forum... when I made my first posts.

If this Avalon community is really about building new ways and links between people, I should really keep my ego in check and see what is needed rather than bandy my tuppence about.

Because it's easy to see, early doors that there is a counter for how many people read the thread and also how many post to it. So it's easy for my ego to get trapped into the 'how well am I doing?' mode. 'How's my driving?'

And it's quite shocking that the most heartfelt threads of truth disappear without a trace. Anyone remember Jenny32 or whatever she was called? How's she doing now? Put a thread up about something that can never be proven or verified as real, yet contains endless opinions.. and they run for weeks !

It's not what I thought Avalon was about... so I will always support the 'heart threads' Illuminate. It's what I signed up for. Wherever there is genuine interest in changing the world from the inside out, I will be there.

Ooh.. wait , no... my head's getting bigger again.. stop.. ah.. there. Ok.

gotta watch that

Thanks for your thread Illuminate, we need that loving vibe here at Avalon sooo much...

K

[mudra]

One Love

mudra

[morguana]

,
m x

[Anchor]

A tendril lashes out, a sharp word emitted in anger
The sting as the energy dissipates within the emotional body stirs the ego to action
But WAIT Mr Ego - my friend, we are not like that anymore! Nor shall we flatter you by allowing ourselves to grandstand over the forgiving of the attack, we will simply stay silent, or if offered, we will quietly accept ammends or apology.
No worries mate, it's nothing really, <because I love you>.

A..

[illuminate]

Originally Posted by Anchor

A tendril lashes out, a sharp word emitted in anger
The sting as the energy dissipates within the emotional body stirs the ego to action
But WAIT Mr Ego - my friend, we are not like that anymore! Nor shall we flatter you by allowing ourselves to grandstand over the forgiving of the attack, we will simply stay silent, or if offered, we will quietly accept ammends or apology.
No worries mate, it's nothing really, <because I love you>.

A..

[Shaynard]

I forgive myself for forgetting my dreams.

I forgive myself for punishing my body.

I forgive natural for the bitter cold.

I forgive my inability to adjust to it.

I forgive moments of anger and am thankful for the clearity they seem to bring afterwards.

I forgive fear for find it's way into our hearts.

I forgive our hearts from growing tired at times.

I LOVE the heart and how it always gets up and wins the battle.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[illuminate]

I refuse to be controlled or a battery or drug or energy source for any being

and I forgive them for trying

~ love in you ~

[Mystic Pilgrim]

Illuminate and Anchor,

Thank you for your wise words. This thread seems to be God-given, as I was trying to figure out how life could be so downhill now when it seems to be so good just a few years back. I realized that I haven't "truly" forgiven a lot of people and things in the past - including myself.

A wise spiritual adviser told me once that we have to TRULY forgive ourselves to be able to move on with our lives. With forgiveness comes love in its truest form - for us, for our loved ones, for those who are in pain and those we have inflicted pain.

I pray that everyone finds true forgiveness and share the love that they are capable of giving not only to their family but friends but also for the whole of humanity.

Namaste.

Mystic Pilgrim

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by Mystic Pilgrim

Illuminate and Anchor,

Thank you for your wise words. This thread seems to be God-given, as I was trying to figure out how life could be so downhill now when it seems to be so good just a few years back.
Namaste.

Mystic Pilgrim

I think this is an important point... the more time we spend reading sad stories and horrible predictions, the more miserable life will seem. Because our power to change the illuminati or aliens is near zero. However, the power to change the self is within our grasp every second.

Life is Good... if we see it that way.

Just like the spanish inquisition.. if they finally do come knocking with the thumb screws, if you believe in a soul, then there really is nothing that can be taken from you, so why worry.

If you believe in a single consciousness, even the soul is expendable! That is, it is never lost because there is only one soul in the end...

K

[illuminate]

Originally Posted by Mystic Pilgrim

...
I pray that everyone finds true forgiveness and share the love that they are capable of giving not only to their family and friends but also for the whole of humanity.

Namaste.
Mystic Pilgrim

ME TOO! Thank you

~ love in you ~

[Shaynard]

I forgive myself for what I've forgotten today.

I forgive myself for what I struggle to remember.

I forgive my friends for not understand "me" today.

I forgive me... I forgive us.. I forgive them.

I forgive and I love, and I am excited to be here still.

I forgive myself for asking to leave.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[Fredkc]

forgiveness is typically defined as the process of concluding resentment, indignation or anger as a result of a perceived offense, difference or mistake, and/or ceasing to demand punishment or restitution.

Forgiveness from others is an indication, but
Forgiveness of self is key.
When you no longer stand as your own accuser then "whatever it is" has truly fallen away.

Forgiveness is unconditional love under will - a conscious intent to resolve that which is forgiven.

In that process one ceases to re-create it, as well.

random thoughts...

[illuminate]

beautiful thoughts Fredkc, Thank you

~ love in you ~

[mudra]

I found this nice story that fits so well the topic of your thread Illuminate ...

About a year ago, my boyfriend and I had split up. The cause for this had many elements that culminated to deliver the last blow. He was away from home often, I wasn't happy where we lived, our lives were quite stressful etc. etc. etc. You know the story. I was left devastated, with the wind completely knocked out of my sails so to speak. One morning I was standing in the shower when I experienced a rather persistent 'idea' coming to me. It was just one word: 'Forgiveness'. This, I thought was a bit strange... especially the fact that it wouldn't go away. It kept ringing at the back of my mind. Eventually, I sat down at the computer and Googled the word. I typed in 'forgiveness' and hit the enter button.

Loads of links popped up and I clicked on one randomly. Here, I discovered the story of a woman who had a similar nudging that I had had earlier that morning. Her problem however, was her father. He was a very militant type who never showed any emotion and was very aggressive, critical and just downright unavailable as a dad. She was interested in what Jesus had said about having to forgive seventy times seven times and decided that perhaps, there is a deeper meaning behind this than just taking it at face value.

Then, every day for seven days she sat down and wrote in long-hand: 'I forgive my father.' She noted that she really didn't mean it at the beginning, but that she kept going. It didn't matter that she didn't mean it initially. What did matter was that she was taking the first step towards releasing the poison of anger and bitterness that has imprisoned her for a lifetime. A while after this week of focused and structured forgiveness, she was visiting her parents. Over a period of time she had noticed a change in her old man, but by now the change was very evident and she commented on it to her mother. "Hasn't Dad just changed so much, Mom?" she said. "I know it sounds strange," her mother replied, "but it's only with you."

If you happen to be the person who wrote that story, I'd just like to thank you for paying it forward. It helped me to discover the power of forgiveness in my life. After having read it, I thought about it for a long time. Not without resistance either. There was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life making forgiveness lists. I simply didn't have the time and I get pretty bored pretty quickly. Then, one day, it dawned on me. I had to make a forgiveness rosary. I took 70 rose quartz beads and strung them up in a rosary fashion and every day for seven days, I would close my eyes and forgive the man out loud, as I moved from one bead to the next, using it as a sort of abacus of prayers. By saying one prayer for each bead you pull aside, one can safely remove your mind from counting. By the time you reach the knot, you know that you've said 70 prayers. This prayer has brought about some interesting events in my life.

The changes that happened were initially hardly visible and yet so powerful. We ended up getting back together again in the end and then, one day, upon my commenting on how much he's changed, he replied: "but I didn't try or do anything to change'. What I've learned about forgiveness is that it is a means of healing from within, above all else. The Forgiveness Prayer has become a part of my daily life now and I can recommend it to anyone who's ready to see the power of positive change happen in their lives & especially those who have difficult relationships with anyone from their parents to their spouse.

It will not always be easy and you will have to keep going at it, but the peace that comes from this prayer really is Divine and you will notice the change. Try it & then share it.

Love Always
mudra

[illuminate]

wow, Mudra, THANK U very much!!!

that is such a wonderful example...
and how very helpful that it includes
a practical application as well

Thank you for thinking of us and sharing this

~ love in you ~

[Seashore]

I'm listening to the archive of Freeman being interviewed by Henrik of Red Ice Creations during the 2nd hour on February 4, 2010, and what Freeman just said made me think about this thread.

They were talking about the New World order plans of the elite and how they go about achieving their goals.

The subject of 9-11 and the 9-11 truth movement has come up. Calling for justice is being explored, and Freeman has said that he "preaches forgiveness." He said that the elites want us to clamor for justice. He also pointed out that the elite are mind-controlled slaves themselves. I believe this to be true. So forgiveness is appropriate.

[Shaynard]

Originally Posted by Seashore

The subject of 9-11 and the 9-11 truth movement has come up. Calling for justice is being explored, and Freeman has said that he "preaches forgiveness." He said that the elites want us to clamor for justice. He also pointed out that the elite are mind-controlled slaves themselves. I believe this to be true. So forgiveness is appropriate.

Excellent... I agree completely and have been trying to express the same to friends. Thank you for sharing this..


I forgive my mistakes.. I did not know.

I forgive my mistakes.. I did know.

I forgive myself for not always being clear, and feeling I have to hide.

I forgive those who can't seem understand.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Shaynard

Excellent... I agree completely and have been trying to express the same to friends. Thank you for sharing this..

You're welcome.

If we were to actually do this, it would free up a lot of energy for positive, life-affirming, action, wouldn't it?