Al Gore won't debate Lord Christopher Monckton

[Digi]

Originally Posted by Zeddo

2 corrections....You never said anything.....period.

Yes he does owe us this seeing as he has placed himself in the public domain and tries to speak "on behalf" of humanity and is trying to have said humanity taxed to the hilt built on lies and fabrications.

Let's not get personal here, we're having a discussion.

When did he sign this contract? When does one sign the "I would like to be in the public domain, and therefore I will debate people" clause? We don't own celebrities, any more than we can own any other human. Of course, I'd like it if he had, and I'd love to own celebrities, but we just don't. They get to come on stage, say stuff, and then leave. They don't have to take requests any more than you do.

Does he try to speak "on behalf" of humanity? I couldn't find a quote of him saying that anywhere, after a few Google searches, and in fact this very page was the second result for: "on behalf of humanity" Al Gore. If you know of such a quote, please post it.

If he does try to speak on behalf of humanity, well then he's mistaken. He doesn't speak on behalf of humanity, or in fact anyone but himself, as far as I know. The penalty for being wrong about that is that we all complain at him, and shout loudly that he does not speak for us, it isn't that we get to decide who he debates.

So why does he owe this?

[Reader]

The main reason I feel Gore is phoney is because of how he has lined his pockets with carbon credit cash scheme in the name of saving the planet from us greedy consumers. Someone, obviously not him as he's basically an idiot, gave him the carbon credit tax idea and to use his "celebrity" to push it on the fear mongered tree huggers.
Gore then sets up a company that will gladly collect your carbon credit dollars and will then assure you that a certain number of trees are being planted in your honor.
What a scam. Gore goes around the world telling the impressionable that the earch has almost run out of time and he has the answers to save the planet from it's inhabitants.

You just can't even make some of this stuff up it's so unbelievable. I realize that we humans are destroy this planet do to consumption, pollution,etc, but I also feel the way to improve this is thru alternative energy sollutions, hopefully free energy, which were are now hearing a lot about.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Digi

Let's not get personal here, we're having a discussion.

When did he sign this contract? When does one sign the "I would like to be in the public domain, and therefore I will debate people" clause? We don't own celebrities, any more than we can own any other human. Of course, I'd like it if he had, and I'd love to own celebrities, but we just don't. They get to come on stage, say stuff, and then leave. They don't have to take requests any more than you do.

Does he try to speak "on behalf" of humanity? I couldn't find a quote of him saying that anywhere, after a few Google searches, and in fact this very page was the second result for: "on behalf of humanity" Al Gore. If you know of such a quote, please post it.

If he does try to speak on behalf of humanity, well then he's mistaken. He doesn't speak on behalf of humanity, or in fact anyone but himself, as far as I know. The penalty for being wrong about that is that we all complain at him, and shout loudly that he does not speak for us, it isn't that we get to decide who he debates.

So why does he owe this?

Al put himself in the public domain when he wanted to promote the Inconvenient Truth & sell his lies. At that time he was quite happy to talk to anyone who asked him questions........now its a little too inconvenient for him to answer any questions.....he suddenly has nothing to say................he has already made his money off all those who believed him.

but you already know this, don't you.

[Digi]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Al put himself in the public domain when he wanted to promote the Inconvenient Truth & sell his lies. At that time he was quite happy to talk to anyone who asked him questions........now its a little too inconvenient for him to answer any questions.....he suddenly has nothing to say................he has already made his money off all those who believed him.

but you already know this, don't you.

And where does he owe us anything?

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Digi

And where does he owe us anything?

digi...I feel its pointless discussing this with you, because I believe you are just baiting.

[Digi]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

digi...I feel its pointless discussing this with you, because I believe you are just baiting.

I don't understand what you mean by "baiting", but okay, fair enough.

What I'm trying to do is fully understand what people mean.

[Kojak]

Originally Posted by Digi

I don't understand what you mean by "baiting", but okay, fair enough.

What I'm trying to do is fully understand what people mean.

You don't seem to understand much actually.

Gore is using propoganda for agendas that aren't in humanities interest, and if you make such claims, as he did, and there is contrary evidence. Why not argue any points, with anybody? Especially when his movie and motivations have such a huge impact on people.

Diji, I can't believe you are serious, you must be just baiting. Your on "ignore" with me.

[Digi]

Originally Posted by Kojak

You don't seem to understand much actually.

Gore is using propoganda for agendas that aren't in humanities interest, and if you make such claims, as he did, and there is contrary evidence. Why not argue any points, with anybody? Especially when his movie and motivations have such a huge impact on people.

Personal remarks get in the way.

Please re-read my posts. I haven't argued against any of the points in your quoted post. Your points are all about why it's a good idea for our benefit that he has a debate. My points are that he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, and that if he did want to have a debate, why on earth would it be with a small time minor YouTube celebrity like Monckton. Your points are not in contradiction with my points. Why are you acting like they are?

[3optic]

Originally Posted by Digi

Personal remarks get in the way.

Please re-read my posts. I haven't argued against any of the points in your quoted post. Your points are all about why it's a good idea for our benefit that he has a debate. My points are that he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, and that if he did want to have a debate, why on earth would it be with a small time minor YouTube celebrity like Monckton. Your points are not in contradiction with my points. Why are you acting like they are?

Digi, I have read your posts and I think I have understood what you mean. The problem is the word "owe" in this instance is very subjective and could mean many different things. Someone may think Al Gore owes "the truth" or "good behavior" or "decency" regardless if he's a public figure or a mailman. Maybe one is a relativist that believes nobody owes anyone anything or that all accounts are settled by karma or nature or God.

I think the sentiment here with many is that Mr. Gore has deliberately misled and distorted the truth for his own personal gain and/or the furtherance of an undemocratic agenda.

I recognize this doesn't address Gore's obligation to the "nobody"s of this world. I had no idea such a class existed. How little regard you must have for your mailman!