David Wilcock.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Mr. Wilcock does state so much false assumptions.

I think he does that not with bad intentions, but he states so much false assumptions....



And I could get crazy about his recent interview.

I see assumptions, but wonder to which you refer as "false"?

Even with possible false assumptions, I support David's efforts, because of one major tipping point, and that is his effort to keep people positively focused. It's too easy to be led into the trap of fear and hate. He tries to steer people away from that which i believe is a very positive influence. Michael St. Claire too.

I see that as making a big difference in the overall scene.

[clearlyalec]

Not to speak for Mr. Wilcock or any of the other interviewees/information sources we've been privvy to via Project Camelot, but I believe the ultimate point behind all of what is happening is the state/attitude/focus of the world does depend on US. Each of us is a focal point of this "Divine Cosmos" and it is therefore up to us to amplify our intent both for US and for existence itself.

And bless the man, but Obama is not our savior, and I doubt that he is as awake as any one of us on this forum. He needs a vote and our greatest HOPE, but we cannot expect him to solve anything for us.

Kucinich on the other hand -- he's the only US politician who is TRULY awake.

But again, he's not the answer either. He just needs our support. Just as does Project Camelot/Avalon.

You are the answer, I am the answer. It's not just HOPING or WANTING peace to happen, it is truly casting away the guilt, shame, and fear of the past, creating each present moment with the best of our lives, and the future will open for us.

Thanks David, and all of us need to thank ourselves for the constant and infinite gift of aiding our own awareness and awakeness.

Have a good 11th, all. We're going to be just fine.

[shortyz504]

One of the main messages that I gathered from David Wilcock's interview is that all of the spiritual work we are all doing within ourselves is paying off!!!

All that we can do is stay in the NOW and continue to work through all the karma we can in the present moment. What David has found only reinforces that we are making a change, and that the power is in the hands of the people. Humanity constantly expandes its consciousness therefore making it impossible for any ONE faction to manipulate the outcome for selfish, hidden motives. Each day I get more hope that Creation will take care of every single person, better than we can imagine or take care of ourselves.

Even if the lights go out, and internet turned off, and hell breaks loose... I have seen with my own eyes the power of human consciousness coming together in a harmonious way. That is something that can never be taken from me, Thanks to you guys!

Remember to stay focused on the moment, and keep trying to expand your heart and you mind while uniting both. Never let up on our personal spiritual development, for that is were the new battlefront takes place!!!

Stay classy Project Avalon!!!

[christopherthomson]

With regards to the crop circle element within David Wilcock's last interview, might I refer him and other listeners to an analysis of a crop circle from late August done by Neil Hudson Newman:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...tions2008.html

It is mathematical, which puts most off, but equates the formation as a symbol of the end of the American empire. I find this interesting in the light of David's statements about the end of Rockerfeller control. The same researcher also did a similar analysis of a massive formation in 2001, which prophesied the 9/11 attacks, although the analysis was subsequent to them.

Much of what David says about crop circles rings true to me, and his slant on the Russia-Georgia conflict made much sense.

Thank you David, Kerry and Bill.

[Altered Species]

My opinion of Mr Wilcock is not a very good one. He takes the work of many other respected individuals and taints it with his wild imagination. I would urge anyone who listened to this guy for the first time to take into the account of the many subjects he touched on and do your own individual research and come to your own conclusions.

I do believe he is good in the sense that he's able to articulate on so many topics. I just don't agree with how he uses this information to support his own manifested fantasies.

[Shakesbeer]

Most of us, including Mr. Wilcock don't have the facilities to conduct the experiments he lectures about...unless you have a large microwave emitter and a duck & hen handy, or a photon accelerator, are a time traveling-matter-manifesting chair, etc. So once again, where are his assumptions and what makes him different from any other analyst? Not to mention, most of us enjoy other's take on "the big picture" and David displays a deep understanding of what he lectures on and has quiet a bit of info. So to all of you who don't think much of him, by all means, "debunk" his work if you think you can...

[pilot]

I enjoyed as always hearing what David has to say, and he has referred more than once a site TBRNews.org, which I also recommend for those interested in political hackery inside the beltway-they have a series of taped phone conversations transcribed by author Gregory Douglas with retired CIA man Robert Crowley-it is a good way to understand the mindset of these "folks" who pull the strings.

As for Obama...because my bias is toward the "liberal" side, it is hard to really acknowledge that indeed the 2 candidates are both puppets to some faction-and one is preferable to the other. Is that really the case? I don't know-I always thought at the very tip top of the pyramid-both sides are being manipulated and it isn't a matter of who but when-the NWO will be pushed into being.

It's like the little squirrel out in the yard burying his nuts in my garden, little does he know I plan on tilling up that area soon...maybe not today, but he'll need to make other plans at some point. This is why I'm not convinced it is necessary to buy gold and move to Central America per George Green.

I refuse to fear them. Period. I will focus on Love, Forgiveness and Peace, if that won't carry me through, then so be it. Besides, I can't afford gold anyway!

Keep up the good work Bill and Kerry.

[goody8504]

Originally Posted by Altered Species

My opinion of Mr Wilcock is not a very good one. He takes the work of many other respected individuals and taints it with his wild imagination.

that is what research is. taking other people information, putting it together, and coming up with a coherent model that will explain everything that was researched. david's model does sound pretty far out, but it is supported by all of the evidence he present, which is quite a lot indeed.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Altered Species

My opinion of Mr Wilcock is not a very good one. He takes the work of many other respected individuals and taints it with his wild imagination. I would urge anyone who listened to this guy for the first time to take into the account of the many subjects he touched on and do your own individual research and come to your own conclusions.

I do believe he is good in the sense that he's able to articulate on so many topics. I just don't agree with how he uses this information to support his own manifested fantasies.

Think about the dedication and unity it took to put this forum together.

Now consider staying out of the view of the public eyes for several centurys to build a global empire. This is disinformation. The dark brotherhood have one mind. This is darkness working in unity.
They truly understand the law of one , and thats why they keep us divided. We need to stop looking at the messenger and only the message.
All of these names are an illusion. There's only vibration, and this message is vibrating very low. There is no David Wilcock,Russia , Jews or Dick Cheney. There's only Truth. A lot of our Whistle blower info is entertainment. A new bone to play with.

[milk and honey]

Among other topics of interest, i enjoy David Wilcock's research and analysis on the synergistic relationship between science and spirituality and also his insights into the psychology of co-dependence in human relationships. David has got a lot going for him but i do not share the same appreciation for the "Ra" material.

In fact, given some of the content of the 'Law of One' channelings i believe Wilcock is mistaken about the origin and orientation of the source. It might sound presumptuous of me, since David doesn't share my concerns, but i seriously doubt that "Ra" is related to David Wilcock in any positive way and that he has made that assumption in error, based on his reading of the channelings of Don Elkins et al.

After making that argument on a forum earlier this year (along with an analysis of some of the "Ra' material) i recently came across another critical analysis of Wilcock's 'source'. Interested readers will find an unbiased review of the book "The Re-incarnation of Edgar Cayce" by Wynn Free and David Wilcock' on a website called "The Hutton Commentaries' hosted by William Hutton.

A geologist by profession, Hutton is a long time analyst of the Cayce material and specialises in the science of Earth Changes as they relate to human consciousnes and other related spiritual topics. See this link:

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/ar...y=6&article=81

[Love/Light 13]

While David Wilcock does rely heavily on his own intuition to extrapilate many of his ideas, he also knows his facts. David must be commended for his ablility to remain supremely optimistic, despite the immense pressure placed on him from all sides of the aisle.

Those who have judge Barrack Hussein Obama one way or the other, are jumping the gun. As Wilcock stated it is quite possible that Obama is going by the addage, "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".

Did JFK state that he believed secret societies were behind the tragic conditions within the United State government BEFORE he was elected President? The answer is No. Did John Kennedy run on a candidacy that stated he would try to peacefully settle the Cold War with Russia through a joint space program? The answer again is no, of course not. Kennedy knew he had to do whatever it took to get elected in order to enact real change, including working with the Mafia in a lot of ways, only to turn against organized crime once he was elected. Absolutely brilliant. Barack Obama, with help from Michelle, may actually be this clever.

On the other side it is quite possible Obama has sold out to the Brzezinski crowd. If that is the case the only hope would probably be from "white hats" within the CIA and other agencies.

Either way, the jury is still out on Obama. We must be very careful to have the audacity to believe we know someone before we have even given them a chance.

<<-------Thanks to all, and may Wisdom guide your Compassion ------->>

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hello from UK

Just spent 2 hours today listening to this interview...

FYI Russia stated on their tv news ~2 days ago that 9/11 was an inside job so maybe Russia does have this information as stated.

[Shakesbeer]

I think David might be right, or half right, even if Obama is doing so intuitively without knowing. I still think Obama is being duped. As people point out, he is very confident as is the trait with most Leos some would say. That pride can be used to hide things from someone. If you read his demeanor & his moves, he acts like a man who really does still believe in the "American Dream" ideal. And why shouldn't he? Look where he started, look where he ended up. Do you think they clued him in on all the "how's & why's" of how he got there whether he's on the take or not?

[doodah]

David Wilcock really needs to footnote almost every statement, so those of us who ask: "How does he know it was the Annunaki? Weren't the Annunaki the ones Zecharia Sitchin talks about, from Sumerian times?" can follow his logic. Otherwise there do seem to be many unfounded statements. I don't believe they are unfounded at all, just he's put so much together that we don't know how he arrived at his conclusions. That is, by the way, his great strength, how his mind works in putting things together, which someone here has called "imagination," but is really his own particular logic. He makes leaps of faith that many of us don't make.

I would like to see his take on this:
1. Somebody or some thing is trying to kill this planet and all the Native Earth Life on it.
2. WE are the Native Earth Life, along with all the plants and animals.
3. OIL (PETROLEUM) - the most poisonous substance on this planet. Everything made from petroleum is either poisonous or harmful in some way to Native Earth Life: pesticides, paint, glue, plastics, oils, lubricants, "petro-chemicals," solvents, household poisons, toothpaste, ad infinitum.
4. OIL (PETROLEUM) is used to make, either directly, or indirectly in some process, almost every item we can buy in the stores.
5. Our children are being BORN poisoned, with over 200 totally alien, unnatural, manmade, artificial, largely petroleum-derived substances in their blood. Not one of those substances contributes to the health of any living thing. WHY is it so impossible for us to stop them from doing this?
6. This escalation in the use of OIL (PETROLEUM) for everything in our lives, and the alarming level of poisoning on this planet has happened very rapidly, within the past 60 years. Before that, this planet had been healthy for thousands of years. Anybody follow the logic here?

Given all this, given that OIL (PETROLEUM) has completely taken over our lives in ways that most people are not aware of, and given that if the use of OIL (PETROLEUM) were completely eliminated from our industries, most of the poison/pollution problems on this planet would completely disappear ... WHY do we keep using it? They've known how harmful it is for over 60 years. WHO will not let it die?

I've gone past the point of thinking that this is merely human greed. Even greedy humans must at some point see the stupidity of killing the very planet that sustains life, including their own life, including their childrens' lives. So I've come to the conclusion that the point here IS to kill off all Native Earth Life. That's me and you, by the way.

This goes way beyond Illuminati or TPTB wanting to reduce population. They are killing everything, mammals, insects, amphibians, reptiles, fish, plants, trees. They are destroying the natural cycles of this planet. WHY?

Aluminum and barium in chemtrails up there ends up down here, in our food and water. It also ends up in the food and water of all the animals. What is the point of having over-the-horizon radar (if that is what they are doing) or even trying to build a sun shield (if that is what they are doing) if in the process you poison all the life on this planet? Who thinks they can survive this?

That's why I've come to the conclusion that the "people" in charge of this planet are not, cannot be, human. Maybe they are the Annunaki, getting this planet ready for themselves. But it's my feeling that somebody or some thing WANTS this planet, and they are taking it.

Since we can't stop them, the only defense I've been able to come up with is: Stop buying the stuff they make. Just stop. They need us to keep the cycle of poisons going. If we drop out, the cycle grinds to a halt.

I'd love to hear what David thinks of this.

[Irving]

Originally Posted by doodah

David Wilcock really needs to footnote almost every statement, so those of us who ask: "How does he know it was the Annunaki? Weren't the Annunaki the ones Zecharia Sitchin talks about, from Sumerian times?" can follow his logic. Otherwise there do seem to be many unfounded statements. I don't believe they are unfounded at all, just he's put so much together that we don't know how he arrived at his conclusions. That is, by the way, his great strength, how his mind works in putting things together, which someone here has called "imagination," but is really his own particular logic. He makes leaps of faith that many of us don't make.

I would like to see his take on this:
1. Somebody or some thing is trying to kill this planet and all the Native Earth Life on it.
2. WE are the Native Earth Life, along with all the plants and animals.
3. OIL (PETROLEUM) - the most poisonous substance on this planet. Everything made from petroleum is either poisonous or harmful in some way to Native Earth Life: pesticides, paint, glue, plastics, oils, lubricants, "petro-chemicals," solvents, household poisons, toothpaste, ad infinitum.
4. OIL (PETROLEUM) is used to make, either directly, or indirectly in some process, almost every item we can buy in the stores.
5. Our children are being BORN poisoned, with over 200 totally alien, unnatural, manmade, artificial, largely petroleum-derived substances in their blood. Not one of those substances contributes to the health of any living thing. WHY is it so impossible for us to stop them from doing this?
6. This escalation in the use of OIL (PETROLEUM) for everything in our lives, and the alarming level of poisoning on this planet has happened very rapidly, within the past 60 years. Before that, this planet had been healthy for thousands of years. Anybody follow the logic here?

Given all this, given that OIL (PETROLEUM) has completely taken over our lives in ways that most people are not aware of, and given that if the use of OIL (PETROLEUM) were completely eliminated from our industries, most of the poison/pollution problems on this planet would completely disappear ... WHY do we keep using it? They've known how harmful it is for over 60 years. WHO will not let it die?

I've gone past the point of thinking that this is merely human greed. Even greedy humans must at some point see the stupidity of killing the very planet that sustains life, including their own life, including their childrens' lives. So I've come to the conclusion that the point here IS to kill off all Native Earth Life. That's me and you, by the way.

This goes way beyond Illuminati or TPTB wanting to reduce population. They are killing everything, mammals, insects, amphibians, reptiles, fish, plants, trees. They are destroying the natural cycles of this planet. WHY?

Aluminum and barium in chemtrails up there ends up down here, in our food and water. It also ends up in the food and water of all the animals. What is the point of having over-the-horizon radar (if that is what they are doing) or even trying to build a sun shield (if that is what they are doing) if in the process you poison all the life on this planet? Who thinks they can survive this?

That's why I've come to the conclusion that the "people" in charge of this planet are not, cannot be, human. Maybe they are the Annunaki, getting this planet ready for themselves. But it's my feeling that somebody or some thing WANTS this planet, and they are taking it.

Since we can't stop them, the only defense I've been able to come up with is: Stop buying the stuff they make. Just stop. They need us to keep the cycle of poisons going. If we drop out, the cycle grinds to a halt.

I'd love to hear what David thinks of this.

Have you read the book "Corporatism" by Jeff Grupp?

[d. macaluso]

doodah wrote:

3. OIL (PETROLEUM) - the most poisonous substance on this planet. Everything made from petroleum is either poisonous or harmful in some way to Native Earth Life: pesticides, paint, glue, plastics, oils, lubricants, "petro-chemicals," solvents, household poisons, toothpaste, ad infinitum.
4. OIL (PETROLEUM) is used to make, either directly, or indirectly in some process, almost every item we can buy in the stores.

.............

Thought I'd share my own use of oil as an addition to the above list of possible uses which most have not considered.

I'm a visual artist who paints with used motor oil. Which amounts to my own personal conversion of petroleum, in its industrial waste state, into a tool for visual thought and experience.




http://www.davidmacaluso.com

yours,
d.

Originally Posted by Love/Light 13

While David Wilcock does rely heavily on his own intuition to extrapilate many of his ideas, he also knows his facts. David must be commended for his ablility to remain supremely optimistic, despite the immense pressure placed on him from all sides of the aisle.

Those who have judge Barrack Hussein Obama one way or the other, are jumping the gun. As Wilcock stated it is quite possible that Obama is going by the addage, "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".

Did JFK state that he believed secret societies were behind the tragic conditions within the United State government BEFORE he was elected President? The answer is No. Did John Kennedy run on a candidacy that stated he would try to peacefully settle the Cold War with Russia through a joint space program? The answer again is no, of course not. Kennedy knew he had to do whatever it took to get elected in order to enact real change, including working with the Mafia in a lot of ways, only to turn against organized crime once he was elected. Absolutely brilliant. Barack Obama, with help from Michelle, may actually be this clever.

On the other side it is quite possible Obama has sold out to the Brzezinski crowd. If that is the case the only hope would probably be from "white hats" within the CIA and other agencies.

Either way, the jury is still out on Obama. We must be very careful to have the audacity to believe we know someone before we have even given them a chance.

<<-------Thanks to all, and may Wisdom guide your Compassion ------->>

You are very wise.

Good Points!

[Frank Samuel]

David has a strong positive outlook on life, he is a magnet of positive energy.
Barrack does not fit into the regular good ol boy club profile. I believe color, creed, religion, sexual gender should not influence the decision of choosing a candidate to become president. But listen to what some good ol boys utter
in the news. They will not vote for a BLACK MAN. Irregardless of his affiliations,this my friend is important to stop this ignorant mentality and raise this nation to another level. We "americans" have to grow up a little, spiritually America is at an all time low. So throw rocks at me but I support the black guy, 400 yrs. of slavery is enough . So be it that all politicians are the same and cannot fufill 99.9 % of the promises they make, we all know that, but I place my votes with the democrats they are a lot more fun, Republicans draw on the religious fevor to easily manipulate our children to war, death and regret.By the way today is the 911 memorial I am a native New Yorker and I know how I felt that day especially watching my friends perished and not being able to do a dam thing about it.

[Mike_Jetson]

Im pleased DW touched on the Obama stuff again as its been stressing me out somewhat lately. Lets face facts, one of them is going to get the nod, at least if we know we cannot get someone else in and we know we cant change the system this time around then we should really decide who is the least painful option. I say Obama.

And Im pleased somebody brought up the JFK issue. Even if you assume Obama doesnt know enough, that doesnt mean he wont be found and taught the truths by a white knight on the inside. Ive avoided voicing my preference to other people but I have to admit that listing to DW again about this has made me think its worth a shot, if at least to make some effort in reducing chances of McCain getting in.

And I can see some peoples point who have issues with DW. He did cover way more ground than I was expecting, a bit like the david Icke by election speech but Wilcock is only giving us what he currently believes. Our beliefs change all the time. These whistleblowers and insiders statements shouldnt be treat as written in stone. Give them a break, they are telling us what they believe, they are not trying to convert us to anything, just what they know and believe.

I for one am very thankful for such postive messages. And yes, someone said he may have over simplified things with the Rocks Vs Roths scenario and obviously its more complicated but when you talk to some friends about things and you tell them 9/11 was an inside job and they ask you who exactly did it....you cant just give them a list of names....only an overall picture of belief backed up with certain facts and/or experiences and research. Stay positive

[atom.Man]

First, i have a great deal of respect for David and all the other researchers. These people are such incredible sources of knowledge, folks like Icke, Wilcox, Mutwa, Casbolt, Maars, Maxwell and of course Kerry and Bill and so many others. Hat's off!

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer by a long shot, but here's my take on the 9-sep-08 interview:

I think David places to much importance on what appears to me as pseudo-math, if you will. For instance, he takes a number, divides it by another and then ties some sort of significance to the result. He also mentioned the "bible code" which, to my knowledge (i did some research on this), is a complete fallacy. Mathematicians have done the same thing with Moby Dick and produced similar results. Here's one example.

Interestingly, David seems to convey that there really is a great significance regarding the outcome of the upcoming US presidential [s]election and the effect it will have on our future. Knowing a bit about governments within governments (secret government), secret societies, bankers, the UN, intel communities, bankers, etc., etc., etc., i wonder how accurate he is -- in other words, what influence do elected officials have on issues that are really important when they're not the ones in control anyway? From my point of view, i see little or no significance as all of the mainstream candidates are tied to the same organizations/corporations/societies that have influenced government for many years. Even if Ron Paul were elected, there is little he could do without the support of Congress, the courts (which are insanely corrupt) and many others.

Truth be told, i think Obama (or "O'drama", as i call him) may be the least of the evils, but i'm tired of having to choose the least evil. I will not vote for him and can see no truth in his claims of "change", especially when i look at his voting record and association with the UN, as well as considering what he has said regarding military force in Iran, Afghanistan and the ME in general. The Larry Sinclair thing is also an interesting tidbit to me because, if his claims are accurate, and i tend to think they are, this says a lot about Obama's integrity, or lack thereof.

As far as David's thinking that Obama chose Biden to keep his enemies close at hand, i hope he's right, but i see 2 possibilities that seem more likely; 1) Biden was picked for him by the neo-cons and 2) Obama is no different than the rest of the war mongers. I'll go with the latter and hope that i am dead wrong. McCain's VP "choice" is equally interesting.

At any rate, we will be stuck, yet again, with the same people and the same mess. Just because someone doesn't get elected (such as Hillery (read: Hitlery)) doesn't necessarily mean they are less influential. One only needs to poke at the Carlyle Group to see why.

ET's: Man, i have a lot of trouble wrapping my head around this stuff. I can accept that human development was the result of ET influence (including blacks, though David seems to feel they may be the only indignant race on the planet). ET influence makes sense to me for a variety of reasons, but one especially: we simply don't "fit" -- we're the only animal on the planet that is hell bent on destroying everything and are totally out of tune with nature. However, when folks mention the different ET races, ET's in DUMB's, etc., this is where i begin to choke. I'm not saying i refuse to believe, just that it's difficult (haven't done enough homework in this area yet). Credo Mutwa is a fascinating man to listen to regarding this stuff though. If you haven't seen this interview conducted by David Icke, YOU MUST SEE IT!

As for the bulk of David's testimony however, i tend to agree with him on many points because i've come across many other people and news stories which corroborate what David says. The worst part of the whole thing is how useless i feel in so far as effecting real change, but, then again, maybe we ARE having a dramatic effect because of the ability to publish and share information vie the internet, thus exposing these criminals.

I hope David's cautious optimism is well placed. I would rather we get to pick and choose how we want to organize and meet, rather than being forced to network at a FEMA camp

[stefaan]

David tells us the Rotschilds are in trouble. That's hard to believe. The power of the Rotschilds is so big, they never get in trouble. On the outside maybe they play a part designed to make us believe they're in trouble.
David also tells us the Rotschilds and the Rockefellers are opponents in a battle. Again this is hard to believe. Where does this information come from?

[stefaan]

Look what I find in some minutes:

At the Bilderberg Conference on June 6 to 9 of this year(1991), in Baden-Baden, Germany, David Rockefeller (a Rothschild) made the following statement,

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world, if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practised in past centuries."

This quot comes out of The Rotschilds Timeline

What battle can there be between the Rotschilds and the Rockefellers?

[Mike_Jetson]

To believe that the powerful families all get on and have the same goal is ridiculous to believe so I never understand when people simply say 'Illuminati' or 'NWO' or whatever and then proceed to put everyone they think is bad into the same basket with the same views and goals. The fact Rockefellers and Rothschilds have a diff family name should help you to slightly consider they have opposing views and have certain members of their group that share the same policies and goals and some that despise each other. Jeeez...

David Wilcock has aided me tremendously.

i thank David Again.

His lectures have been quite informative and interesting, aside from one
video where he channels the "Ra energies".

As much as I'm fascinated by the Egyptian achievements and culture greatly influenced by Ra, I'm still weary of any culture or doctrine condoning slavery, be it ancient Egypt, Greece, or Rome.

Just my 2 cents.