Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust

[eleni]

Ortho- after WWII my father in law former SS officer (never met him) was relocated to South America and went on to develop aerospace parts for NASA so he says. Is there a connection? I don't know- he has a handler that won't allow him to speak with any of his children and he moved back to South America with the handler (as my husband calls this woman and husband is not into this subject at all but thinks its odd).

I too agree about the ET connection- very deep hole......

[haibane]

First of all - my apology for responding before having thoroughly read all of the previous posts in this thread, but you have indeed opened one on a sensitive subject, eXchanger. Not that I think there's anything wrong about bringing it up, even though your post doesn't make it quite clear why you did. I happen to be one of those who might be offended (and a few years back I would have been, just by anyone even bringing this up).

I have absolutely no doubt that the issue of Holocaust has been used as a basis for many agendas, which now more or less openly contradict the message that has been originally slapped over it by propaganda. I also have no doubt that facts have always been distorted in order to support those agendas. I know that some of the bankers financing both sides of the war were Jewish, and that they never gave a flying ****. But I also know that my grandparents died in the concentration camps along with so MANY others, and I've met some of those who survived, including my mother, although she was too young to have more than a few fuzzy memories.

And yes, I now believe we should be talking about all those human beings who died there, rather than continuing the Nazi-programmed division into races/nations/denominations/sexual orientations ... But still, opening a thread by saying that the Holocaust was a hoax, without giving at least a brief summary (and a bunch of off-site links isn't one, with all due respect), even if stating it isn't your own words, like that, don't be surprised to find a few people for whom this might be a wee bit too much to swallow. No offence taken or intended.

Peace,

Haibane

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by haibane

s might be a wee bit too much to swallow. No offence taken or intended.
Peace,
Haibane

As we mentioned before -- THAT WAS THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE
WRITTEN by SOMEONE ELSE !!!

[14 Chakras]

Controversial as it is, I agree that there was ET interference in WWII, personally I believe it was time traveling Greys (people who jumped into Grey bodies from 47000 years from now), more than anything, but I'm sure there we're others... was very bizarre no matter how you slice it when you look at some of those videos of Nazi Germany.

I also completely agree that Nazi's were moved to South America, Brazil specifically, en masse, including Hitler where they continued their MKUltra style experimentation etc... all part of operation paper clip right?

And sure, the guys at the top we're playing both sides like they do in every war... Why did the US give half the world to communism? You need to keep the balance in duality, always have that 'enemy' about to attack or how are you going to control the people?

Originally Posted by eleni

Ortho- after WWII my father in law former SS officer (never met him) was relocated to South America and went on to develop aerospace parts for NASA so he says. Is there a connection? I don't know- he has a handler that won't allow him to speak with any of his children and he moved back to South America with the handler (as my husband calls this woman and husband is not into this subject at all but thinks its odd).

I too agree about the ET connection- very deep hole......

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Controversial as it is, I agree that there was ET interference in WWII, personally I believe it was time traveling Greys (people who jumped into Grey bodies from 47000 years from now), more than anything, but I'm sure there we're others... was very bizarre no matter how you slice it when you look at some of those videos of Nazi Germany.

I also completely agree that Nazi's were moved to South America, Brazil specifically, en masse, including Hitler where they continued their MKUltra style experimentation etc... all part of operation paper clip right?

And sure, the guys at the top we're playing both sides like they do in every war... Why did the US give half the world to communism? You need to keep the balance in duality, always have that 'enemy' about to attack or how are you going to control the people?

Well you are probally right on alot of this. Paper Clip was very real.

Did you know that a ship of people had made it out to safety from this war and the USA sent them back just to be killed ?

I know that story is true. There were many aliens involved in all of this.

I once asked myself while still in school, how could this go on for months and all those people killed and no one knew.

Pretty easy to understand now. I am not going to try and figure out what percentage was what race, as it makes no difference to me, they are human beings first and upper most thats all that should matter.

Funny thing is if someone dug hard enough they would see that the body count included those in other Countries, not just Germany. Also after the so called war ended the killings never ended.

I will never believe one word out of the mouths of the people that report any of our news again.

I think that the killing has been around as long as the aliens ..........FOREVER

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Controversial as it is, I agree that there was ET interference in WWII, personally I believe it was time traveling Greys (people who jumped into Grey bodies from 47000 years from now), more than anything, but I'm sure there we're others... was very bizarre no matter how you slice it when you look at some of those videos of Nazi Germany.

I'm not buying the time traveling future human theory. How about Pleiadians who have advanced technology such that they appear to be us...47,000 years from now? The reptilian and grey phenomenon puzzles me. Do humans control them...or do they control the humans? The reptilians who seem to be causing all the trouble seem to be interdimensional. Could there be some physical reps and greys who are getting blamed for something they are not responsible for. I don't know.

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

OK...Gizeh Intelligence supposedly supported Hitler with technology and gold in the 1930's...and part of the deal was that the Nazis would go easy on the Jews. Gizeh Intelligence supposedly withdrew their support for the Nazis in 1941. There is an interesting interview with Al Bielek...where he talks about Hitler, the Nazis, WWII, and Hitler surviving WWII. Here's the link (for relevance...listen to 00:40:00 to 01:11:00) http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3655896&hl=en# I'm not sure about the rest of the interview...but I really found this 31 minute section to be very interesting.

Once more, the following topics are leading me who knows where. I am enticed but fearful.

1. Zionism
2. Teutonic Zionism
3. Egypt and North Africa
4. Reptilians
5. Underground Bases
6. Secret Space Program
7. The City States (Vatican City, City of London, Washington D.C.)
8. The Pleiades
9. Aldebaran
10. Sirius
11. Lucifer
12. Rebellion in Heaven
13. War in Heaven
14. Continuation of this Rebellion and War on Earth (on Earth as it was in Heaven!?)

Could the Reptilians basically run the Universe via a Universal Church Theocracy? Did they destroy the Founders...and take over? Are Humans divided regarding how to deal with the Reptilian Problem? Are the two camps basically:

1. If you can't beat 'em...join 'em?
2. Fight with them to the death (Better Dead Than Rep)?

Could the absurdities and horrors of history (as well as the compounded lies) make sense if all of the above are taken into account...and interpreted properly?

[golfsierra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

OK...Gizeh Intelligence supposedly supported Hitler with technology and gold in the 1930's...and part of the deal was that the Nazis would go easy on the Jews. Gizeh Intelligence supposedly withdrew their support for the Nazis in 1941. There is an interesting interview with Al Bielek...where he talks about Hitler, the Nazis, WWII, and Hitler surviving WWII. Here's the link

Al Bielek (his full name is Alfred Bielek) was proven to be a liar and hoaxer already in 2003. Wondering, why people still refer to his utter nonsense, maybe because his bedtime stories are popping up time after time.
See http://www.bielek-debunked.com
for a full report about him lying.

Best regards,

Golf Sierra

[housemouse2]

some red cross documents were recently floating around on the web. In their own documentation they knew of the camps, inspected them, sent care packages to them as well.

I find it very hard to believe the international red cross would help Hitler cover up 6 million murdered people. The red cross documents which appear real to me indicate 200,000 deaths due to typus.

Knowing the red cross from my own experience I can only summarize either the red cross inspectors were ignorant beyond belief or the holocaust as we have come to know it is a grossly distorted version of what actually happened.

Hitler did indeed have the red cross in Germany both before and during the war. How could the red cross not only know about these camps but also visit them and still have no clue of a holocaust?

I've always taken the media's word for it without any critical thinking. But when you apply critical thought even 3 million dead is an impossible number for the given time frame and method used.

then add in relief agencies who did have access to these camps and their negligence to report anything like what the military reported at the end of the war.

We all sit here and agree that another holocaust should never happen but fail to realize another holocaust has happened, is happening and there are far worse holocaust which get no national attention. Just research Gaza and get a clear picture of what is really going on over there.

The native American Indians were nearly wiped off the face of the earth. When Lenin took over Russia millions of people were killed.

We have learned nothing from the holocaust which now seems less than accurate.

America has been slowly turning into a fascist empire where our own citizens are no longer safe from our government due to the Patriot act. Many are beginning to realize 9/11 was done by our own government with the help of Mossad.

The holocaust has morphed from a tragic event that never should have happened to a reason not to even question the current government of Israel or be labl3ed anti-Semitic if you do. So, in response to this "trick" and the connection to 9/11 many Americans are now questioning how authentic story of the holocaust truly is.

"Holocaust denial" isn't a racist movement as people tend to think but rather a questioning of how accurate the history is. For if the history proves otherwise and Israel government has been using this tragic event as a weapon to get whatever they want, than those people who did suffer and die in the holocaust did so for nothing.

Israel has been implicated in some very serious crimes (along with the USA) against humanity. White prosperous bombs in a civilian populated area is a war crime. Depleted uranium rounds (USA also guilty of this in Iraq) is a war crime. Cutting off water, electricity, food and medical supplies to a civilian population is a war crime. Any and all land grabbed in an invasion is a war crime.

Unlike Israel the USA doesn't have a weapon to use against anyone who questions us. The little state the size of NJ has the 3rd most powerful military in the world. (How does that happen?) And the moment you question their actions or responses they can throw up the holocaust like some holy grail which give them a free hall pass to kill innocent civilians in Gaza Strip, illegally kick out Palestine citizens from their homes and cut down ancient olive trees for the "settlers" whom are nothing more than land grabbers on illegal land.

The reason we must find out the truth as to what happened, by whom and why over 60 years ago in Germany is becuase that tragic event is being used to allow a holocaust now. But this time the Jews are doing what the Nazi's did. And if they are not careful the innocent Jews here in the USA and world wide will pay for those crimes once more. There will be a new wave of anti-Jewish fever to grip this nation if we do not stop the abuse.

[THE eXchanger]

isn't it companies like the red cross,
that have people earning 400,000 + per annum ???

[orthodoxymoron]

A major complication in all of this is the Nazi/Vatican alliance...and the Jesuit influence in the SS. What a tangled web! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo

[THE eXchanger]

WE ARE HERE

the name israel -
why did they choose it ???

is - iSiS - part of the order of melz

ra - RA - part of the order of metatron

el - EL - part of the order of elhoim

that is why, they choose it !!!

although, they themselves, NONE OF THEM, are members of that !!!

"K"

[THE eXchanger]

This part of the above thread mentioned above this link

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...the-last-days/

WOW !!!

THANK YOU, that is an eye opener 'n a half

[THE eXchanger]

WE ARE HERE

Draco BLOODLINES - vs. ELEMENTAL / Elven BLOODLINES

"K"

[orthodoxymoron]

Perhaps one of the greatest lessons we can learn from participation in Avalon...is to keep asking the right questions...in the right way. We probably need to question everything...but in a measured and tactful manner.

The bad guys and gals (human and otherwise...native and ET) probably play all sides...so just about everyone and everything may be a mixture of good and evil.

Namaste

[THE eXchanger]

i think,the big question is how many holocausts have their been

and, how much bigger were they, than, we think ???

[sjkted]

eXchanger: Thank you for bringing up this topic.

I've been looking into this topic on my own recently as it appears that too many of these details aren't adding up. For example, Hitler being 1/4 or 1/10 or whatever percentage Jewish, being financed by the Rothschilds, the creation of Israel immediately after the war. Ironically, for a people who experienced ethnic cleansing, one would think the state of Israel would be a little more respectful towards creating settlements.

I agree that as far as the mainstream is concerned that this is a controversial topic, but so long as everyone here is coming from a place of light and integrity and honest inquiry as to what happened, there is no reason the details and facts need to be hidden.

This video just came out about a week ago. See http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-w...er-laptop.html. I struggle to make sense of it.

For those who have not researched the matter, the problem is not the Jews, but the Zionists. All Zionists are Jewish, but not all Jews are Zionists. Zionism is a political movement. Interestingly enough, there is a group of Jews (non-Zionists) in Israel called refusniks who refuse to participate in the expanding of settlements and the destruction of Palestenian land. I guess they would be similar to the 9/11 truthers or the 3% movement in the US.

What I don't get is that a lot of the Holocaust Debunk/Revisionist movies and literature seems to downplay the number of Holocaust victims and some of the testimony given during the Nuremburg trials. I think it's safe to say the trials were rigged, but what is the big picture here?

So what if there were 1, 3, or 6 million people killed in the camps? What does it matter whether they were Jews, gays, or political dissenters? Does it matter whether they were killed from hard labor coupled with malnutrition or gassed? My point is that no matter how you crunch the numbers, it was still a huge travesty with substantial damaged caused even to the survivors.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of these details. It seems to me that there was a genocide situation, although it may have been grossly(?) overstated by the Zionists during the Nuremburg trials and for propaganda reasons in order to entice the US into joining the war and also for the creation of Israel.

Is that it or is there anything else I'm missing?

-- sjkted

[sjkted]

Another interesting point about this is that in many European countries it is illegal to say anything contrary to the public story on the Holocaust. Can you imagine being jailed for just expressing that maybe some of the details were fudged or not correctly stated or for being a whistleblower/witness.

See some of the laws regarding Holocaust denial on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial_laws.