The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[greybeard]

The whole thing is realy simple. ( this is me talking to me smiling)
All enlightened ones say basically the same thing.

Enlightenment is a an egoless nonduality state brought about by the grace of God.

Therfore if I want to know about that state it is necessary or me to listen to some One in that state. No theory just ultimate truth.
Not the spiritual circus which talks about it but is not it.

The LOVE of God is not emotional love it is just --- LOVE of The One with out a second. None other.


Namaste
Chris

[kriya]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The whole thing is realy simple. ( this is me talking to me smiling)
All enlightened ones say basically the same thing.

Enlightenment is a an egoless nonduality state brought about by the grace of God.

Therfore if I want to know about that state it is necessary or me to listen to some One in that state. No theory just ultimate truth.
Not the spiritual circus which talks about it but is not it.

The LOVE of God is not emotional love it is just --- LOVE of The One with out a second. None other.


Namaste
Chris

It is said in India that enlightenment is 25% your effort, 25% your Guru's effort (or teacher) and 50% the grace of God.

[giovonni]

This continues to be one of my favorite threads. Quite revealing and refreshing.

I like this analogy

from 14Charkras
"Overcoming the ego just means going with the flow, the River of Life that is always More."

Reading other members (very sincere) post comments, is like drifting down a flowing river, allowing oneself to take in the continuing changing view of both sides of the shore. From this process, one's innerself (soul) will hopefully emerge.

I believe one can occasionally, drift towards a safe shore. But~ just for a brief respite. For being stagnant upon it too long will, give the ego time to wake-up

This process of flowing, enabling the innerself (soul) to fully awake, should eventually lead to leaving one's ego sleeping upon the shore; As you quietly cast off again, towards the ocean of all there is.

[RedeZra]

ego

a mask in a carnival

a wave on the ocean

a spark from a fire

a tree in the forest

a cave in the mountain

a bird on a wire

a planet in the universe

a man on Earth

[14 Chakras]

In the River of Life analogy, to me the ego is the drop of water that has left the river, it's stuck in some mud along the Way. (and the descriptions in the thread above are great too!)

Being back in the river doesn't mean a loss of individuality, it means seeing who we are in Oneness rather than thinking we are something in separation.

The River of Life is literally made up of billions and billions of "I"s. All the Ascended "I"s make up All that I's ~ IS.

What IS is co-created by all the "I's" / IS.

Overcoming ego is not about loss of Self. Overcoming ego is about loss of self and birth of Self.

Yogananda, Jesus Christ, Mother Mary, Gautama Buddha, Saint Germain (oops controversial one for yah?), Krishna etc. do not cease to exist in the Ascended state. They have simply become much More because they no longer identify themselves as the lowly human who is seperated from the source. They have been reborn in Oneness with the source, and they are literally unique personas of God. Co-creators in Oneness with All that IS, and they are always transcending themselves, always learning and Being More. Eternal Life, eternal co-creation in the eternal Now, total complete freedom where the universe itSelf is our playground, awaits those who choose to Be.

However, affirm your separation, affirm your humanness, & reap as you sew, remain the human, remain the dead burying the dead, when in reality, ye are Gods choosing not to be.

[Steven]

To me, "transcending" is the integration of the Ego into the soul being. Making all experience learned integrated into the soul. I see the Ego as a portion of lived experiences into materiality that once integrated into the long living soul, refines it.

I see the soul diving into materiality to experience Life in a unique way. The Ego take shapes as experiences are acquired and at the time to leave, the soul still needs to digest it all...

Namaste, Steven

[greybeard]

Dear 14 Chakras
your input here is greatly appreciated.
Chris
Namaste

[greybeard]

Good night to all.
Snow forcast tomorrow.
Chris

[mudra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

In the River of Life analogy, to me the ego is the drop of water that has left the river, it's stuck in some mud along the Way.

"it's not necessary to try to become your true self. you can't be anything else. it's impossible to be other than what we truly are - and what we are changes moment to moment. but because our tendency to grasp is so strong, it may take us some time to learn to trust and relax into our unfixed nature. ego wants to be substantial and special, and it will try to possess each new realization and insight. when ego grasps at the gains we've made, we will suffer the consequences. most of us fall into this trap many times before finally seeing that grasping is futile and admitting to ourselves, 'ah, maybe i really am zero, nothing special!' when we make practice our life, we can expect to encounter many traps and sticking places. yet we can make this an honorable part of our practice by remaining watchful and letting go each time we become stuck. by returning to zero again and again, we gradually close the gap and actualize our unfathomable true nature."

Chogyam Trungpa

Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

Our form is naught but atoms in movement of the same sacredness as the grain of sand or the distant star. All form has an aloted life span.
What we truly are is formless awareness and eternal.
Ego !! who needs it?
We are beyond that.

With love Chris

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Our form is naught but atoms in movement of the same sacredness as the grain of sand or the distant star. All form has an aloted life span.
What we truly are is formless awareness and eternal.
Ego !! who needs it?
We are beyond that.

With love Chris

You are not beyond it, you talk from it. You asks to be free of desire, from being full of desire as a condition; totally nonsense. Your ego is your desires, everyone of them, from wanting to be above, or wanting to trascend it. You despise yourself, that way. You are a human trying to avoid being human, trying to develop techniques to be alive without position on the cosmos. You cannot see yourself tiny, because you want to be above the pathetic being you are right now!.

You have to recognice how pathetic you are to love yourself, really. To see what´s beyond. You dont know what love is, you arent able to love yourself, with so much "i wanna be"...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

You are not beyond it, you talk from it. You asks to be free of desire, from being full of desire as a condition; totally nonsense. Your ego is your desires, everyone of them, from wanting to be above, or wanting to trascend it. You despise yourself, that way. You are a human trying to avoid being human, trying to develop techniques to be alive without position on the cosmos. You cannot see yourself tiny, because you want to be above the pathetic being you are right now!.

You have to recognice how pathetic you are to love yourself, really. To see what´s beyond.

I did Leunamros.
Only through a spiritual awakening did I survive alcholism.
With respect

Chris

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I did Leunamros.
Only through a spiritual awakening did I survive alcholism.
With respect

Chris

That gives sense to your actitude. Don´t feel ashamed. You had your reasons to be at it, i understand. I respect your decisions. So that´s my love towards you. I dont ask you to trust what im saying man, im just asking.... just not to be afraid of yourself, of being the human being you are; you know, i need human beings to be around me, i need real persons, to be here! in this earth;.... why people ask to leave always.... why pèople encourage others to be above what we are now, because they are unhappy here??!!!, that´s destructive!.

If they want to make this world something better to live in, let´s all of us be what we are, so we can win the battle we think we are fighting.

I dont think there is another way.

[Leunamros]

Wich being can be loved, if it´s invulnerable?, tell me, please.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

i need human beings to be around me, i need real persons, to be here! in this earth;.... why people ask to leave always....

we are always leaving

all the time

someone is leaving

it comes around to you too

the time to leave

like an autumn leaf

Originally Posted by Leunamros

Wich being can be loved, if it´s invulnerable?, tell me, please.

the Grand Being

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

That gives sense to your actitude. Don´t feel ashamed. You had your reasons to be at it, i understand. I respect your decisions. So that´s my love towards you. I dont ask you to trust what im saying man, im just asking.... just not to be afraid of yourself, of being the human being you are; you know, i need human beings to be around me, i need real persons, to be here! in this earth;.... why people ask to leave always.... why pèople encourage others to be above what we are now, because they are unhappy here??!!!, that´s destructive!.


If they want to make this world something better to live in, let´s all of us be what we are, so we can win the battle we think we are fighting.

I dont think there is another way.

I thank you for your love Leunamros and I can sense it.
I havent had a drink for 35 years its long gone and all the fear that went with it. Its an illness why would anyone be ashamed of being ill?

I came to love myself enough to want to be the best me I can be.

Have a look at all the posts on this thred if you havent allready.

Having met Eckhart Tolle and others who are enlightened I can say that they are full of love, compasion and you feel good for having spent time with them.

There is so much missunderstanding about enlightenment.

The closer you get to knowing your true self the more understanding and loving you are towards others. The less selfish you become the less the ego has a hold on you.
As you leave the ego behind the more truly human humaine you become.

Love Chris

[Leunamros]

Man, it´s not about how many other "enlightened beings" have you met, letting their influence near around you to be as an anesthesic for your own pains . It´s about how much you respect yourself?. Anesthesics don´t heal, just hide.

I was talking about you recoving your power but you dont care a **** about it. You only want to forget the past, so ok, this is ended.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

Man, it´s not about how many other "enlightened beings" have you met, letting their influence near around you to be as an anesthesic for your own pains . It´s about how much you respect yourself?. Anesthesics don´t heal, just hide.

I was talking about you recoving your power but you dont care a **** about it. You only want to forget the past, so ok, this is ended.

With respect you have read a few words from me. The words are not who I am
Leunamros.
You know nothing of me or my life.
All I can say is that through having the humility to listen to those who had a degree of balance and sobriety, my life if now happy and productive.
I am blessed with five children all a credit to me and three grand children.

Wishing you well on your journey young man.

Chris

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

With respect you have read a few words from me. The words are not who I am
Leunamros.
You know nothing of me or my life.
All I can say is that through having the humility to listen to those who had a degree of balance and sobriety, my life if now happy and productive.
I am blessed with five children all a credit to me and three grand children.

Wishing you well on your journey young man.

Chris

so my opinion means nothing now, ok.

My tendency is to heal people.


I will explain how it works:

- if anyone shows something that makes them feel pain, i ask them to tell it publicly.

- after that it is done, everyone knows what it´s about.

- So he, don´t feels he is alone, with his pain.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

so my opinion means nothing now, ok.

Of course Leunamros
Your opinion is just as valid as mine.
But I do care a ********* as do all the other writers on this thread many saying much the same kind of thing as I have been saying in there own way.

Genuinely I wish you well. The way that you see life is right for you. life is very individual.
Chris
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[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Of course Leunamros
Your opinion is just as valid as mine.
But I do care a ********* as do all the other writers on this thread many saying much the same kind of thing as I have been saying in there own way.

Genuinely I wish you well. The way that you see life is right for you. life is very individual.
Chris
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great answer indeed, you should ask yoursefl the purpose of forums....


i envy you, you have sons, and all that; with my "cosmic" way of being, so powerful, so awesome!!!!, im so alone that what the ****ing hell!!

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

great answer indeed, you should ask yoursefl the purpose of forums....


i envy you, you have sons, and all that; with my "cosmic" way of being, so powerful, so awesome!!!!, im so alone that what the ****ing hell!!

Think the pupose of forums is to share.
You are relatively young Leunamros so who knows whats ahead of you.
Alcholism is known as the lonelyness illness so I know how that feels realising that it can feel good to be alone in your power.
Im going off for a while.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Chris

[LucidJia]

"Many people excuse their own faults but judge other persons harshly. We should reverse this attitude by excusing others' shortcomings and by harshly examining our own."

Paramahansa Yogananda

[greybeard]

I would respectfully sugest that anyone who is interested in transending the ego or finding out why its a "good idea" go to the website of Dr David Hawkins a mystic of our time.

http://www.veritaspub.com/

With love
chris

[eleni]

Agreed, have read every single one of his books, met him in Sedona, had a lovely chat at a coffee shop- profound work Hawkin's has written.taught.