We are not one!

[Swanny]

Wow krystal
Thx very much for preaching at me and telling me that I am wrong and a very bad person.
Sorry but after reading your posts I have no respect for you and your beliefs, we already know that you don't respect for others. I am glad that "We are not one!"


Yes I am a meat eater, I love the taste of meat, even raw meat. But I carry no KARMIC DEBT for my actions.
Yes I believe that souls live in all animals, but I don't as you seem to do put mankind as being at the top of the tree.
An animal may only live for a short time before being murdered and used to feed a human, but even a short life ending in pain can be very rewarding for a soul as it travels along its path. Would you deny a soul the chance of that?
I have worked on farms and witnessed animals that only had a few months to live actually having a great time and really enjoying the time they are alive. If you had your way animals would not be given life at all.
I do not feel a tiny bit of guilt from enjoying the taste of a dead chicken as it passes through my mouth into the graveyard in my stomach.



You have very different ideas of what is going on on this planet.
Global warming??? Do you really beleive that?
The bible is not a crediable source of information, been alterted far to many times and is now IMO a work of fiction.
Does this mean I will go to hell?

The point I am making here is that there is great karmic debt in the killing of "living beings", animals have souls whilst plants have not yet evolved to that degree therefore the karma is not so great.

And you know this because?? Oh yea you're a noble being

Originally Posted by krystal

I started this thread for those who are ready to be NOBLE BEINGS WALKING A SAINTLY PATH ON OUR PLANET EARTH (which you consider yourself to be) we all have choices and it's not my intention to debate anyone's habits, what is intended here is a simple solution to our human race as "human beings" to evolve quickly so that we can join our Galactic friends and neighbours. We've heard it clearly that we won't be able to travel or be with other ET's as long as we continue our wars here on earth.

How do you know they wont eat you?

My intent here is to make my other parts aware of the harm we are causing to our planet and other beings.

Well you're not going the right way about that.

Please come down off your mightier than thow pedistal and stop telling others how to live their lives, we are all equals here whether you like it or not. We are all walking our own spiritual paths and people like you trying to force your opinions on others even to the extent of creating a guilt feeling actually have the opposite effect of what you are trying to achive.
If you feel guilty for what you have done in the past then that is your problem please don't try to put your guilt on to us.

I will be thinking of you when I eat my breakfast of dead pig and chicken fetus

Oh by the way your idea that a plant can grow back the limb you cut off to eat doesn't work with a carrot.

[krystal]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Wow krystal, Thx very much for preaching at me and telling me that I am wrong and a very bad person. Sorry but after reading your posts I have no respect for you and your beliefs, we already know that you don't respect for others. I am glad that "We are not one!" Yes I am a meat eater, I love the taste of meat, even raw meat. But I carry no KARMIC DEBT for my actions. Yes I believe that souls live in all animals, but I don't as you seem to do put mankind as being at the top of the tree. An animal may only live for a short time before being murdered and used to feed a human, but even a short life ending in pain can be very rewarding for a soul as it travels along its path. Would you deny a soul the chance of that? I have worked on farms and witnessed animals that only had a few months to live actually having a great time and really enjoying the time they are alive. If you had your way animals would not be given life at all.
I do not feel a tiny bit of guilt from enjoying the taste of a dead chicken as it passes through my mouth into the graveyard in my stomach. [[Please shorten long quotes THX ... K]

Must have hit a nerve here...... and Yes we are NOBLE BEINGS ALL THOSE WHO LIVE THEIR LIVES CARING FOR OTHER LIVING BEINGS and living a SAINTLY LIFE and yes we are SAINTS..... we can all be SAINTS..... your choice but just don't call yourself a spiritual being because spiritual beings are Noble Saintly Beings we Never Harm Other Beings for our own selfish needs.

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by krystal

Must have hit a nerve here...... and Yes we are NOBLE BEINGS ALL THOSE WHO LIVE THEIR LIVES CARING FOR OTHER LIVING BEINGS and living a SAINTLY LIFE and yes we are SAINTS..... we can all be SAINTS..... your choice but just don't call yourself a spiritual being because spiritual beings are Noble Saintly Beings we Never Harm Other Beings for our own selfish needs.

Sorry to disappoint you but the only reason you hit a nerve is because your self opinionated views are wrong
For all you know I could be further evolved than you.

[krystal]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Sorry to disappoint you but the only reason you hit a nerve is because your self opinionated views are wrong
For all you know I could be further evolved than you.

True very true indeed.... and I am sure you are.... that is why you are bothering to post here otherwise you would not.

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Must have hit a nerve here...... and Yes we are NOBLE BEINGS ALL THOSE WHO LIVE THEIR LIVES CARING FOR OTHER LIVING BEINGS and living a SAINTLY LIFE and yes we are SAINTS..... we can all be SAINTS..... your choice but just don't call yourself a spiritual being because spiritual beings are Noble Saintly Beings we Never Harm Other Beings for our own selfish needs.

Originally Posted by krystal

I truly believe that when we stop eating meat we have a deeper compassion for all living beings and eventually it becomes impossible for us to act in a way which would harm another being... It's like a great awakening, a deep sense of being at one with all other beings.... I purposely chose the title of this thread being the opposite of how we feel when we realize that all beings are worth saving no exceptions because we are really ONE! and it's not good to harm part of who we really are, with the utmost love and compassion for everyone.

krystal, you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. Ok maybe a bad thing to say in a vegetarian related thread but the point is still valid. You can't force people to believe as you do by being snippy and acting like because we do not do as you do that we are less than. That makes me want to ignore it. Force is not the way. Share resources, experiences, links, stories, anything positive but please do not tell us we are all evil and we must do what you do. That's my only issue here.

[dagon]

Originally Posted by krystal

True very true indeed.... and I am sure you are.... that is why you are bothering to post here otherwise you would not.

at the title says we are not all one. don't fool yourselves. your still killing, polluting, ect... just because somebody does your harvesting. doesn't mean you don't kill. pesticides kill bugs and birds, fences are destructive and kill as well. farming equipment kills, run off from farms kills ect, ect. in a perfect world we would all be light beings feeding on the sun. getting cancer im sure... who said plants are lower forms and don't have a sole. I beg to differ. open your mind a bit further. and don't judge us as useless eaters. that's no better than the luminaty..I spelled that wrong. LOL.. so opinionated some are.

this has just turned into a pi$$ing contest...

[krystal]

Originally Posted by dagon

at the title says we are not all one. don't fool yourselves. your still killing, polluting, ect... just because somebody does your harvesting. doesn't mean you don't kill. pesticides kill bugs and birds, fences are destructive and kill as well. farming equipment kills, run off from farms kills ect, ect. in a perfect world we would all be light beings feeding on the sun. getting cancer im sure... who said plants are lower forms and don't have a sole. I beg to differ. open your mind a bit further. and don't judge us as useless eaters. that's no better than the luminaty..I spelled that wrong. LOL.. so opinionated some are.

this has just turned into a pi$$ing contest...

Actually I live in a community where we plant our own veggies and share with others, we do not use pesticides and when we buy rice etc we buy organic, such as organic soya milk which is not GMO. etc. Also we have solar power and do not use energy from outside but solely from the sun... yes in harmony with our environment.

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Actually I live in a community where we plant our own veggies and share with others, we do not use pesticides and when we buy rice etc we buy organic, such as organic soya milk which is not GMO. etc. Also we have solar power and do not use energy from outside but solely from the sun... yes in harmony with our environment.

That's a great step. I am taking steps to do the very same. I think many of us are. I think most of us here do what we can and are always looking to see what ways we can improve and live more harmoniously with the planet at large. Check out many of the other threads on these very topics.

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by krystal

Actually I live in a community where we plant our own veggies and share with others, we do not use pesticides and when we buy rice etc we buy organic, such as organic soya milk which is not GMO. etc. Also we have solar power and do not use energy from outside but solely from the sun... yes in harmony with our environment.

Hi Krystal. Im not having a go at you in this reply, but I would like to point out your posts contain a lot of disinformed dogma.
* Where does your rice come from? Not Oz i would imagine. How did it it get to you, and at what cost to the environment? Is it really organic? How do you know? Copper Sulphate is incredibly toxic yet the soil association allow it to be be sprayed on grapes. I lived in India many years, i wouldnt believe any organic label from there. Also I had my own organic farm for many years and would watch the sprays from my neighbours float over onto my garden.
* I dont have the link anymore but (all) soya is to be avoided, they wash it in hexane and still call it organic..but there are many other prolems besides..i guess if you are growing your own from guaranteed non GM seeds, but are you?
* How many people died extracting the nasties used in your battery system for your solar energy? What will happen to your dead battery?
* Does your 'solar' system use plastic? molten plastic mimics oestrogen and is very harmful to the planet.
* I shake my head at you lack of awareness of global warming. Mankind's effect on the problem is maybe 0.0000001 %, ok i made up the number, but its in the correct ballpark, warming is not anthropological.
* Everything is alive, even the rocks. Do you really know the difference between eating an animal and eating a plant? Carrots dont have branches, they dont grow back. By the same analogy, if an animal has given birth is that a branch? Is it ok to eat it then?

OK I wont go on..what I am trying to say is try to remove yourself from the dogma and FEEL for yourself what is right and wrong and what you should eat, and how you should live. Its your karma after all, do you want to put that in the hands of others who are misinforming you? And is your way the way of others? Should you be telling others they are right or wrong in their choices?

[Anchor]

Vidya,

You raise some interesting points.

I read that 99.99% of lead in lead-acid batteries is actually recycled into new batteries. It is one of the industries that gets this basically right. (Lead being so heavy is easy to separate I guess).

It has been estimated that more greenhouse gas is emitted in the production of a solar panel than the solar panel will save during its working life ... however: There are still good reasons to have solar: remote areas is one - helps avoid using inefficient small scale generators, and best of all: independence - one less link to the system.

A..

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Vidya,

It has been estimated that more greenhouse gas is emitted in the production of a solar panel than the solar panel will save during its working life ... however: There are still good reasons to have solar: remote areas is one - helps avoid using inefficient small scale generators, and best of all: independence - one less link to the system.

A..

There is no such thing as a greenhouse gas. Its a false theory. If the theory were true then the atmosphere would warm up, but the planet surface is where heating is occurring. Global warming is from the sun! not from us.

I built a solar system to be free from the grid and to be in control of my own situation. Micro-Hydro would be my power of choice, and maybe direct mechanical, not electrical.... However, the older I get the more candle light appeals to me and as i become more techno phobic i need less energy anyway lol...

My battery 'problems' really relate to the nasty exploitation of people and environments at the point of extraction. Lead is so expensive I am sure they do recycle it, but recycling generally is inefficient and harmful. And not everyone is conscientious enough to recycle their batteries. Better to not produce waste in the first place....there is much to be said for a simple life off the gid and as far out of the sytem as possible.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

There is no such thing as a greenhouse gas. Its a false theory. If the theory were true then the atmosphere would warm up, but the planet surface is where heating is occurring. Global warming is from the sun! not from us. .

You are correct. I meant carbon emissions. In fact David Wilcock found on the NASA sites that there is evidence that each planet in our Solar System is undergoing similar "climate" change.

I also agree that there is no such thing as climate change being caused by carbon emissions - but that said, it can't help either.

Koyaanisqatsi applies.

A..


Bonus sig message "Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky"

[RedeZra]

Once upon a time we developed a taste for meat and now it has become a habit

When we eat flesh we also eat the emotions ingrained in the fibers of the animal
So spiritual wise its better to restrict the eating of conscious beings like animals

It is believed that a ceremonially dedication of the animal to God also removes the passions in the animals flesh so its better suited for us to eat it


Now if we are to evolve and advance emotionally mentally and spiritually as a community and as individuals we cannot continue the brutal slaughter of our fellow conscious beings

It is common sense

We should all make an effort to restrict the intake of animal flesh


There will be no slaughterhouses in the new garden

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

So spiritual wise its better to restrict the eating of conscious beings like animals

But its ok to slaughter 'innocent' conscious plants? what is your distinction? Surely when we reach the 'higher' awareness you talk of we will realise plants are conscious living organisms also...

maybe we all live on prana at this point?

[i would say, sort of off topic, a forest garden would be a nice place to live, to live off the fruiting bodies so as to propagate their life cycles]

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

But its ok to slaughter 'innocent' conscious plants? what is your distinction? Surely when we reach the 'higher' awareness you talk of we will realise plants are conscious living organisms also...

You dont see the distinction...?

Either you are spiritually adept or living in lalaland lol no offense

You dont see the distinction...?

Really you dont see it...?

Come on you see it lol

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

You dont see the distinction...?

Either you are spiritually adept or living in lalaland lol no offense

You dont see the distinction...?

Really you dont see it...?

l

No. I dont see it anymore. I became veggie 25 years ago and I havent eaten meat since. In the last years I started working with the shamans and visited the stone worlds, and the plant worlds and other amazing places. Plants are alive, they have a consciousness, they 'feel' pain. I genuinely do not see the difference. Though I still choose not to eat meat.

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

[Swanny]

As the majority of the people on the planet openly eat insects I wonder what people think of that? Are insects more evoled than plants?
Even veggies are responsible for the death of insects. They are killed while harvesting the crop and are killed in the process of making food, next time you are eating your bread don't worry about the tiny little pieces of fly you are eating, in feeding ourselves it is impossible not to kill something.
So if by causing the death of something gives you a karmatic debt then we are all massively in debt.


Stick around krystal you might just learn something

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by Swanny

As the majority of the people on the planet openly eat insects I wonder what people think of that? Are insects more evoled than plants?
Even veggies are responsible for the death of insects. They are killed while harvesting the crop and are killed in the process of making food, next time you are eating your bread don't worry about the tiny little pieces of fly you are eating, in feeding ourselves it is impossible not to kill something.
So if by causing the death of something gives you a karmatic debt then we are all massively in debt.


Stick around krystal you might just learn something

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

[Phtha]

Good point as that is exactly what they are doing, anything to justify the killings they partake in.

btw I harvest my garden without killing insects.

Originally Posted by burgundia

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by burgundia

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

When we die unless we are cremated something will eat us.
I don't care what happens to my body once I have left it
I will leave it in this physical dimension

[dagon]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

No. I dont see it anymore. I became veggie 25 years ago and I havent eaten meat since. In the last years I started working with the shamans and visited the stone worlds, and the plant worlds and other amazing places. Plants are alive, they have a consciousness, they 'feel' pain. I genuinely do not see the difference. Though I still choose not to eat meat.

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

I agree whole heartedly,plants have a circulatory system. thy breath. express them selves. and the list go no. I just sorry more people don't see this and and respect the plant life more. it ok to eat them. that what we do, that's what your teeth were designed for. Im not bashing plant eaters. I applaud it. I eat meat. I have harvested my own food. I feel this connects to the earth more than if you go to the store. if you think not. go grow a garden. does that connect you to the earth. I think so, the same can be said for harvesting an animal. and until you have dun it. you wouldn't understand. I think jesus usto walk the desert with some sheep. and I dont think he was fallowing the heard. duuring the healing sessions there were 100 if not 1000 on animals slotdered to appease the gods. do the research. I believe he was a fishermen. the story of the 2 fish. god dam holier than now.



solar is toxic and requires oil to make the panels. lots of it. it no more green than a coal plant. the old bait and swithch trick. and we eat it up. so blind we are. people are funny. aren't they. holier than now.



god created all living creatures. beautiful creatures thay all are. If I eat one there life energy gives me subtenants. there life energy. it is a sacrifice. plant animal. dont fool yourselves. were no different from each other. look a little deeper and you will se that. Look at me Im a fish. a beautiful lamb. I would prefer the life of an steelhead salmon over a carrot.

I think its healthy to have a well rounded diet.
and I wont feel your guilt. for living or dieing.
I mhoping the crabs in ther ocean eats me. or a great white. save on barial costs.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

In essence you are right there is no difference between anything because all is Consciousness

We all share the same essence with element mineral plant animal God

But most of us live and function in the apparent reality with its abundant diversity of forms and level of awareness
So it is natural and practical to make distinctions regarding for instance what to eat what to avoid whatever

Common sense says not to approach the tiger eventho in essence it is same as us namely Consciousness but who thinks twice about lifting a little kitten


So we have to eat

But its no good argument to say plants are conscious too so we might as well eat animals also

There is a distinction in the level of awareness between plants and animals

Consciousness is awake in the Animal Kingom
Consciousness is dreaming in the Vegetable Kingdom


Also i believe the effect of animal slaughter with its blood and gore affect us more adversly then the harvest of plants


Again in essence all is Consciousness

And we live in a world where practical distinctions ought to be made

[dagon]

week augments . and there just that. dividing us all. I don't care to defend myself. no need , just trying to open you eyes a bit further. this conversation is like religion. dbl sided and once it get in its hard to get out. dividing us all. I don't judge plant eaters. but Its almost like racism wit this topic with some plant eaters. I guess Im just a useless eater.. open you minds and your hearts and look at what were doing with this conversation. were drawing battle lines. not me. I applaud you for your choices. and I respect your views. to bad you don't mine. now that's Consciousness behavior.

[RedeZra]

I also eat a little meat

But its better if we try to restrict it for the sake of our spirituality and for the well being of our conscious awake animals

Sure plants are conscious too engaged in a dream


We have to eat

So we should choose most from the kingdom of plants and less from the animal kingdom

[Vidya Moksha]

I concur Dagon. My posts were aimed initially at what seemed to be tired old dogma, peddled out without personal experience or awareness. Mixed with a dose of current disinformed propaganda and lack of real environmental awareness. I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do.
I was also waiting for someone who could see auras to comment, many people who do see them wouldnt touch processed fast foods just for the aura they give off.