Steven Greer Interview Discussion

[DAYDREAMER]

I was really disappointed with the much in demand interview with Steven Greer that finally happened being turned into a debate about all et's being good and some not. Not an interview! This good man had so much more information to give about the 3 different parts of his work and there were dozens of questions that were never asked. There was so much more to learn that was not discussed. What a shame!

I have watched most futuretalks and this was not an "interview technique" that was used in this case. Usually it is a discussion between 3 or 4 people, this was just plain rude by Kerry in my opinion. Give the man an opportunity to speak and then respond.

I believe that humans have travelled to other planets in secret space craft, but have not been allowed into the Galactic Federation or Federation Of Planets or whatever it is called (the group of civilizations from other planets) due to being un-peaceful, as mentioned in various contactee books and witness testimonies about et meetings with governments. It is most certain that et craft have been attacked by human space weapons, as can be seen in a Nasa video and testified to by witnesses such as Clifford Stone, yet we do not have any solid proof of a retaliation.

I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

[franciejones]

Originally Posted by DAYDREAMER

I was really disappointed with the much in demand interview with Steven Greer that finally happened being turned into a debate about all et's being good and some not. Not an interview! This good man had so much more information to give about the 3 different parts of his work and there were dozens of questions that were never asked. There was so much more to learn that was not discussed. What a shame!

I have watched most futuretalks and this was not an "interview technique" that was used in this case. Usually it is a discussion between 3 or 4 people, this was just plain rude by Kerry in my opinion. Give the man an opportunity to speak and then respond.

Iappreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

Thank god someone besides me is saying this on here!

[jem284]

I finally got to at least listen to the interview and I thought it was Great!!
They are all very good with their words and i think Dr. Greer had a lot of speaking time. It seemed to me anyway that he did most of the talking and they all had a chance to explain their differences. I thought it was exciting and liven things up around here.

[tone3jaguar]

Negative ET's can only feed on negative emotions, and yes this does go on. This is how hard core black magic works. The belief that the guy behind the curtain exists or not has absolutely no bearing on how effective this type of work can be on someone.

[cloud9]

After watching this interview I feel even more respect for Dr. Greer's work, he knows a lot more than he says. Also I really like Bill and Kerry but I have to say that sometimes Kerry who is the one conducting most of the interviews lacks patience and ability to wait for the right moment to make her comments.
In my opinion, the point of the whole interview was to let Dr. Greer know that they don't agree with his comment about all ETs being good but it was a waste of time spending the most part of the interview in a debate what was not necessary, all could have been said without interrupting the guest so many times and talking at the same time. I would have taken advantage of having him and let him talk more about how everything is going with the whole subject and getting him to share more information.
I am always grateful to Bill and Kerry for the work they do and their interest in spreading the knowledge but please Kerry, let your guests finish their sentences, I assure you, more can be achieved in a calm and peaceful way, we all can agree to disagree and definitely, it always pays to be a good listener; also I think you are a very brave soul.
I definitely agree with Dr. Greer's position, if we reach peace we will atract preaceful friends and viceversa, the universe is a mirror, we all know it but we still don't practice it, it's one of those pearls of wisdom everybody knows but in real world we act the opposite way.

[Myplanet2]

Wow. What a waste of time, and wasted opportunity. they could have really gotten some valuable information out of Greer.

Instead, it was all about "positions taken, held, and defended".

IMO, this could have been a productive interview if they hadn't posted on their blog that Greer was responsible for "the worst kind of disinfo", and that his position was "dangerous and insidious".

What kind of interaction could you expect if that was your preface.

His argument was much more tenable. Although I think for the sake of his argument, he limits his definition of ET to physical, space faring races, and to my knowledge, that represents a vast minority of the visitors we have here interacting with us.

Bill also made a good point about good or bad being in the eye of the beholder, as in "what is good for the fox, might not be best for the hen".

The shift we've all been going through, is filtering out some of the old disfunctional ways of dealing with things. One such example is either/or. That is mostly an obsolete concept by now. It's usually both. That view can be applied to all the major points made by all players in this Jerry Springer episode.

[TraineeHuman]

Why does the Camelot website preface the interview/"battle" with Dr Greer with the argument that if the aliens were malevolent they would have killed us by now? Yes, that argument isn’t valid. But equally, it’s certainly not the argument Dr Greer was presenting to K&B. The argument he did present was: there’s absolutely no evidence that any alien contacts have been malevolent in any way – once you exclude contacts with humans (maybe from future timelines?) and abominable human genetic creations and human black magic.

The appropriate argument, it would seem to me, professionalism would have obliged K&B to offer in reply would have been for them to present and detail (at least a smidgin of) specific evidence to the contrary.

Incidentally, since there’s such overwhelming evidence that humans are often highly malevolent or manipulative to other humans, surely that argues that a considerable amount of all this energy should instead be devoted more to understanding and exposing the negative humans – and their disinformation regarding aliens?

[conec]

I have been watching PC fro the very start.
I found this really hard to watch. Too much adrenalin.
I'd like to try to put it all into perspective.

It seems to me that they went into this battle of wills after a long weekend of intense happenings with the free energy guys storming the stage and PC obviously feeling put out by the fact that Greer didnt attend their discussion at the conference and also the fact that he was refusing to meet them at first for an interview. Then they quickly find out that they are going to interview Dr Greer. Its obvious that they were all worked up before they even met him and let other stuff get in the way.

The whole reason I have supported Camelot all this time was because of their stance of letting the interviewee give their views and opinions while also saying that they didnt nescessarily endorse everything everyone said. Whay was this not the case here?
Theres been plenty of things before that they didnt agree with but there was never such a fervent response as I have seen in this interview.

Seriously, maybe the guys need a bit of time out to relax and get back to the original stance.

I realise that a lot of people think that it was good to challenge Greer, of course it is! Thats not the issue really. The issue is that at times it was so hard to understand anything they were saying. It felt like I was in a room that I wanted to run out of. I think Kerry let her emotions get the better of her here.

It would have been of so much benefit to viewers to have watched a calm interview. It really is just good interviewing practice to prepare some questions, take notes at the time and respond after the interviewee has had a chance to speak.
This is not an interview you can watch more than once, this is the difference as I have watched a few interviews a few times because I could glean.

I still totally respect and love what they are doing for US and will not judge. We are only human and we are always learning. I hope B&K understanding well eaning folk who only want to see them progress and learn. Like we all want for our family.

Lots of love to you Bill and Kerry. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Peace

Has anyone taken the time to watch other videos by Dr. Greer and his witnesses? I'm only 10 months into my search for truth, but have done extensive research into many areas since my awakening. In the first month on my journey, I came across the press conference for The Disclosure Project done in May 2001. I must say that I'm really glad that I heard that one before I watched the "interview" that was done by Project Camelot. I think that it was completely in bad taste for Kerry, knowing that she was going to be interviewing Dr. Greer the following day, to post anything negative about him in her blog. Since most of us on Avalon do appreciate the work that she and Bill do, we may be inclined to read her opinion of Dr. Greer prior to the interview, and form an opinion similar to hers before we give the guy an honest listen. Kerry offended Dr. Greer prior to the interview. I believe that they should have worked that out off-camera before things turned out as they did. It seems to me that he was set up to be ridiculed on camera. Why take this man's valuable time and information, and waste it on a bickering match? Why did we not get to hear about free energy, no more poverty, etc? If I were going to conduct an interview, I would ask questions, allow a full and complete response, and NOT interject myself into and dominate the discussion, then move on to the next question. This would allow the VIEWER to form their own opinion as to whether they feel the information is credible or not. This was supposed to be an hour long session of information from the interviewee. I am extremely disappointed, especially since I've just introduced my 26 year old daughter to Projects Camelot and Avalon. Had I not told her that she should watch other Dr. Greer videos, this one would have been her impression of him, and of Kerry. We need to be very careful, because people are still waking up every day. What we say, how we say it, can either draw others in to the light or make them run just as fast as they can. Kerry offered up several disgusted looks to the camera, when Dr. Greer responded to her repeated attempts to stay focused on one issue.

Dr. Greer stated that he's been doing this for 19 years, as compared to 3 for PC. Also, he has been and is currently involved with some very high level people, in positions of power that could allow Disclosure to come forth. PC doesn't have that power yet, and will not in the future, if they treat their interviewees this way. I wonder if anyone else noted Kerry's comment "As Above, So Below", which Dr. Greer reiterated later? Is that not an Illuminati statment? I also remember several of Bob Dean's interviews where he stated the same opinion, that we will not be allowed into other "neighborhoods" until we can become peaceful beings. Why is it such a terrible idea to encourage peaceful communication? Also, why do we need to know and understand what the "agendas" are of ET civilizations, when we can't even know that about our own leaders' agendas are? Shouldn't we at least attempt to become aware of what is going on in our own back yard before we attempt to understand other beings? Maybe an excersize to prepare us for other-worldly interaction would be to (a)find out who's running the Earth-Show, (b)forge alliances to force out the "bad" influences that are human, (c) learn to respect one another and not beat them up because we disagree. I'm sure when the time comes for "the others" to make their presence known, we will all know, and I surely don't believe it's going to come from the ones who have fought so hard to keep it buried, seeing as their profits would be greatly affected.

It's not just about admitting that we're not alone. Dr. Greer would have been able to share with us here on Avalon, what other realities would come forth if/when disclosure takes place. His is a message of hope and truth, but guided by wisdom and concern for all those that are not yet awake. I think a balanced approach should be taken when waking up the masses. There are millions who are aware of the information. But what about the ones who are not? You can't just come out and tell the entire world that ET's exist, some of them are bad, the governments of the world have gained their technology in exchange for whatever, people have been murdered to keep the information hidden, lots of rich people got rich because of the technology and suppression thereof. This could cause mass suicide/murder.

I remember when I first learned the truth about ET's existence, and that was through Bob Dean's interview on PC. I'm very grateful that the interview was well done and respectful, because it led me here to learn from what I consider my friends here on Avalon, as well as those who I've found to be trouble-makers. I do hope that Kerry and Bill will take the opinions of their followers here into consideration. We all are passionate about our beliefs, but as someone else said, when we feed ourselves new information that discredits our former beliefs, it puts us in a different place entirely. So, it is my hope that rather than continue to find fault and point fingers of blame, we analyze our own reactions to and interactions with others, in an effort to become better listeners and not critics. I still value the work of Bill and Kerry, as I do that of Dr. Greer and his witnesses. It is possible to gain insight from both. Best wishes to all.

[Tango]

I told myself I wasn't going to watch this one because it was Greer, but
after reading all the comments I forced myself to watch it...

This may be the worst I've seen out of Camelot. Please, keep in mind that I invest in filmmakers, and in film. This brawl should have been done on the Blowers Rayedio instead wasting tape. OK...

First Kerry " Does NOT belong in front of the camera." She has a weight
gain thang going on, also she tries to hide it by wearing Black. Hon, just
push the potatoes away, girl... See, in the past with her behind the camera
we don't see those arms flayling around... And, behind the camera she
doesn't tap or poke the guest... In the past two camera's were used to
give more of a POV... To use one camera and go from a three shot to a
one shot then a two shot cutting out Bill, was in very poor taste. Greer's
head twisting back and forth made it appear as tho he was confused...
And, the background was terrible. This is why a blue background is
normally used... Or velvet would have NOT shown where it was folded.
Hell, even a white wall would have been better. It looked amature...
carelessly put together.

Preparation was needed, and wasn't done. It looked like a Hannity piece
from Fox News... Where they ask the guest a question and talk over the
guests answer... This is why one is suppose to work from notes. A flow
chart if you will. Ask a question, give the guest a chance to answer to
completion... re but ell... Than ask the next question. Like a interview
done Last year... Kerry, it might be time to take some classes on doing
interviews for broadcast... And, never do an interview when YOU want
to make a point, when YOU want to be the STAR. It's Not about YOU
it's ALL about the guest telling their story... Stop playing to the
camera, Kerry... Those faces you make at camera looked really bad.

Please, Please, go back to 2 (two) camera's it looked professional before.
Pushing in from a three shot to a one and a half shot sucked. And it
looked really bad. Yeah, I know it takes more editing, but that's your
job, just do your job. If you desire to have attention [want to be the
star] then do a separate interview all about You and everything you've
done in your life...

As far as Greer... Same ole; same ole. Nothing New here, I; Me; My
as I said he would.... I was happy to see he didn't do a commercial.
He is wrong... The earth has been targeted and hit from space.

Oh Kerry, lose some weight. Or, stay behind the camera. And, stay off
the ***n stage. It's Not about YOU... That was a stupid stunt...

Message for Bill. Goood, Luck, Buddy


I'm Done...

Verry trooly,

Tango

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

another thought i have about what greer is talking about is that the ET's maybe possibly negative to us becuase look who is representing us, a bunch of power hungry luceferian, warmongering, genocidal control freaks!!!

these idiots like kissenger ect want to take over the galaxy im sure. wouldtn this make sense as to why the ET;s would appear hostile to us. either way i think impartiality is the key for the next few videos.

these are interviews for the general public to watch and glean information from and to make up our own minds. let the interveiwees have their say and then if you like disect afterwards..

STAY CALM AND FOCUSED

[TraineeHuman]

Like everybody else, I’m fond of and inspired by Kerry and Bill, and greatly admire their courage and their intense dedication to seeking the truth. Also their imagination for creating PC. Actually, though, the thing I found the most disappointing and shocking was that Kerry seems to believe there is any such thing as some kind of battle between “good” and “evil”. This was also expressed in Thursday’s radio show with Ms Delicado, who seems to hold that belief as well. As somebody who has a postgraduate degree in philosophy and a degree in psychology (among other things), I happen to know for a fact that that type of understanding of “good” or “evil” is flat-out wrong, invalid – and even seems primitive and savage. (As Dr Greer was hinting, quite a few times.) Unfortunately, in our culture we get brainwashed into believing in it at a very young age, through religion.

It would take a small book to explain just how and why it’s totally and utterly wrong and very, very counter-productive (and well-known to be so, certainly by every professional philosopher on the planet). But let me offer at least the following. We all know that one of the basic principles of the universe is that you become the same as whatever you resist. Therefore, everybody who in any way is “resisting ‘evil’” will become ‘evil’ themselves. The more they resist, the more they necessarily will become ‘evil’. It’s simply impossible for them to avoid that.

[THEWATCHER]

QUOTE..............
I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

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Well put, yes Dr Greer vets his witnesses, I have been thru that process back in 2000. Yes perhaps Bill and Kerry should be more discerning in their interview choice, or is it simply if someone has a Dr. before their name they gotta be good, and truthful, and honest!!?
Barry

[Unified Serenity]

Why someone would point to Kerry's weight gain as a complaint of the video is beyond me. I really do not think one's weight bears any importance to whether they should be on tape or not. I have interviewed hundreds of people, and have a list of questions that I plan to ask them ready. Sometimes I have gone over the questions ahead of time so they can present well thought out information during the interview. I am not a "gotcha" interviewer. If someone is lying to people then either I can give a rebuttal and ask their take given that information or leave it to the audience to understand. A disinfo agent will NOT deal with the rebuttal information but try to redirect it and control the answer as politicians often do on talking heads shows. I'm always amazed at how a person can answer a question with five minutes of nonsense if not interrupted. That is possibly what Kerry thinks she is doing, but it takes finesse to some degree to control such disinfo types.

Time is obviously limited in taping, and one cannot allow someone to talk and talk and NOT deal with the question. If you disagree based on your information say so, and share it, but don't argue. Move on to the next question. That is what I think bothered people. There were so many questions that could have been asked and were not due to the arguments.

I do want to say that I respect Bill and Kerry for doing what they are doing. It takes guts to be a public truth seeker.

Just a note for those who have asked in other threads and not seen my response. I had my show for a few years in the 90's then the station went 24 hour sports. When they came back they went with a morning right wing host who doesn't like it when I call in with other facts. So, I do not have a radio show at this time, and enjoy researching information and sharing here with you all.

[Hiram]

I must agree here. Someones physical appearance is irrelevant to the point of it being absurd.

Secondly and with all due respect, both Dr. Greer and Carrie and Bill knew exactly what this exchange was going to be before they engaged in it. Dr. Greer was not going to participate in the interview at all until he saw the PC blog post questioning the integrity of telling an audience that all ET contact was "good".

He also was making the claim that our government has NO arrangements with ANY ET intelligences.

This exchange was to address those two rather unorthodox (in the UFO community) claims. This wasn't an interview to FIND OUT what Dr. Greer knows about the ET picture. I repeat, that was not the intent of the interview from the get-go. Anyone can watch his (Greers) tome of videos to find that out.

I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, Karrie inturrupted the man...yes its not really the most respectful way to have an exchange...its what happens in peoples living room conversations etc, but we are not accustomed to seeing it in this format.

So what? Most of us here know full well B&K's intentions, and the worst we can say is that emotionally this could have been done a bit better.

One other point many of us should consider, is that Dr. Greer, when allowed, will go ON and ON for 10 minutes if allowed. Not to say that what he has to say isn't valuable, but---from personal experience exchanging with people that use this speaking style----at some point, you have to cut people like this off if you hope to have a meaningful exchange. I think PC was just trying to get to the point.

I think the best thing is to watch this and move on. Dr. Greer is no worse for the wear. I think he can handle it. If anything....this interview should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that B&C are not disinfo agents.

Let's keep the personal insults, ie. "weight gain" comments to ourselves, shall we? This has NO bearing on the topic at all, and only serves to build more walls between people.

Imo, Bill and Kerry are great interviewers who are, like all of us, growing in their skills. Let's cut them some slack, yes?

[Hiram]

And please let's us acknowledge the fact that there was no "missed opportunity" here.

B&K accomplished what they intended to do..albeit awkwardly.

Dr. Greer can stretch an answer to a single question much past 15 minutes if permitted. I think under those circumstances, its fair to inturrupt him.

As far as personal respect, I think Dr. Greer has communicated through various means..that he has very little respect for PC. In fact, his facial expressions when Kerry refers to her witnesses seem almost condescending. I'm sorry. That is the truth.

I don't think PC showed Dr. Greer any more disrespect than he has shown PC in the past. They are even on those fronts.

With all things considered, I think we all came out even on the "Frank exchange of views". I don't think we should belabor the finer aspects.

[Tango]

You, MAY want to ask the same of Oprah...

Or, any other TV or Cable Anchor, Host, or Interviewer...

The lense adds weight... Kerry, knows that, it's 101.

And, it wasn't a complaint, it was an observation.
Here, give us 10 names of weighted interviewers...
Its, More for females than males. I don't make the
rules. We just have to live with them.

It's the same as the stunt on the stage. She's just lucky
it was someone like, Bob Dean that she pulled that on,
Someone else might have walked off the stage.

When camelot started it was about 'recording' history.
Now the recorder [honorable job] as it was; Now, wants fame.

I've seen this happen before! Can you deal with the
out come... The herd here at PC/PA has thinned. Wonder why?

When it all comes crashing down, and someone has to be kept
after school; are YOU going to stick around and pay all the bills ?
When one has a good product going, you don't change the blueprint.
Just look at the numbers... They speak for themselves. They don't lie...
Kerry, had a good thing going in the beginning. It is a business. You
know, book keeping and such...

Doubt Me.... You'll seee...

Tango

" I'm not dancing around this one."


[QUOTE=Unified Serenity;159998]Why someone would point to Kerry's weight gain as a complaint of the video is beyond me.

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Tango

You, MAY want to ask the same of Oprah...

Or, any other TV or Cable Anchor, Host, or Interviewer...

The lense adds weight... Kerry, knows that, it's 101.

And, it wasn't a complaint, it was an observation.
Here, give us 10 names of weighted interviewers...
Its, More for females than males. I don't make the
rules. We just have to live with them.

You can live by whatever rules you choose to live by Tango. I don't happen to care what a person looks like, but rather what they have to share with us. It's rather sad that the media has made it a prerequisite to be thin and attractive to be on video. Heck, look what we missed out on in a singing sensation with Susan Boyle. Imagine if she had been given a real chance 20 years ago what she could have given to the world. I hope she releases a cd soon as I for one would love to hear her songs. Kerry's weight is a non-sequitur.

It's the same as the stunt on the stage. She's just lucky
it was someone like, Bob Dean that she pulled that on,
Someone else might have walked off the stage.

This is a sad statement to say. It might not have been proper to take the stage, and yes people were upset, but to suggest what you are really immature.

When camelot started it was about 'recording' history.
Now the recorder [honorable job] as it was; Now, wants fame.

I really don't think they were seeking fame, but a chance to have some of this information shared which it appears the conference heads did not. They even were upset over sharing info during a non-conference time lunch break! Come on, if no one is scheduled and they invited him to the conference then why didn't they give him a slot to speak? That was beyond rude in my book. I would have been pretty frustrated had I been asked to go to a conference due to my information and then not been given an opportunity to share it. That is basically what I gained from listening to Kerry.

I've seen this happen before! Can you deal with the
out come... The herd here at PC/PA has thinned. Wonder why?

I don't know why the "herd" has thinned though I have heard some claim intellectual superiority and not liking some of the members. For the most part, I find all discussions here interesting, and only a few people need to think twice before flaming others.

When it all comes crashing down, and someone has to be kept
after school; are YOU going to stick around and pay all the bills ?
When one has a good product going, you don't change the blueprint.
Just look at the numbers... They speak for themselves. They don't lie...
Kerry, had a good thing going in the beginning. It is a business. You
know, book keeping and such...

Doubt Me.... You'll seee...

Tango

" I'm not dancing around this one."

I guess we will see. I find the forum very interesting and valuable and I haven't seen Bill or Kerry post here in ages. So, I don't come here for their posts, but the other wonderful people who are willing to give of themselves in an honorable manner.

[Phtha]

Uh oh, Looks like Tango got himself in a Tangle.

I think Kerry is a beautiful person inside and out. As someone mentioned though this is how the mainstream see's things nowadays. Musicians and actors, and I use those words lightly, won't even get looked at unless they have a pretty face and body to sell. Just another example of how we need to seriously fix ourselves before we worry about negative ET's coming in to invade.

I watched the interview again with some friends, last time I only listened to it, and yah the condescending body language was quite apparent from both parties. It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar.

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Phtha

It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar.

Trust no one but yourself and take only what you read and hear that feels right.

[Myplanet2]

Tango. Do you get it? You should get it! Women are not objects. A primary component of the shift in progress, is the rise to balance of the feminine. How about let's wake up and smell the new paradigm.

[Myplanet2]

How about the issues under contention?

Greer claimed that B&K's approach was too Anthropocentric.

Def:3. viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values.

B&K claimed that it was irresponsible and dangerous to presume that ET's are not hostile, since nobody knows for sure.

Greer claims there is no evidence of hostile ET intentions, yet didn't precisely define ET. Understandable since he was having to forge ahead while being "hunted" by Kerry. But I inferred from his comments that Greer considers physically oriented beings who travel in physical ships to be ET's, and that the jury has not returned on whether extra dimensional visitors could be considered ET's. He said he had no quibble about some entities being hostile, but that there was no evidence of an ET origin for them. Fair enough. I can see the logic of his not wanting to include the unprovable in his sphere of endeavour, because he means to be able to back up and prove to the establishment, as needed, what the evidence shows. I got the idea he knows much more of the score than he discusses, but keeps on topic because he is much watched and quoted.

One of the most useful comments of the hour was Greer's, that "you can't prove a negative". Another was that "we can keep going around in circles forever".

I think you go in circles when you don't get to the point.

What is the point?

There is disagreement between Greer and B&K. It seems to revolve around the philosophical difference that on the one hand, since there is no evidence of hostile intent from ET's, and since there is belief in the existence of the stipulation that belligerent, hostile humans need to get over that before they'll be able to go out and join the Galaxy at large, it makes most sense to curb our violent, polarized ways, and approach the subject of getting to know ET from a positive outlook, as far as whether to greet them with pointed gun, or open arms. On the other hand, it's proposed that since we don't know the ET's intentions, and since there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support the existence of some dark agenda's often attributed to ET's of corporeal and non-corporeal types alike, that it makes more sense to have a loaded gun handy until we're sure one way or another.

Greer then proposes that much of what B&K think of as dark ET agenda's can just as easily be ascribed to Dark humans masquarading as ET's, or to Dark entities which are of unknown origin, making it unjust to present them as ET's. They could be of earthly origin just as easily as of ET origin.

What is the truth at the centre of what they've been circling around?

And is it an injustice to the ET's to paint them with a anthropocentric brush? Have ET's merged their polarity issues? Have some? Have most? If so, Greer's right. We do them an injustice. Those non-corporeal ET's I have personal experience with, certainly seem to have no issues of polarity. They seem to hold no judgement, and hold true unconditional love for us. At least that's how I'd characterize the ones I know. I've never met any corporeal ones, but the stories my ET friends have told me about them leads me to once again support Greers notion that they are not hostile towards us, even when their actions appear to us to be destructive. And that in most cases, permission for physical interaction is in place at higher levels of consciousness, even when it's forgotten and scary in the fraction of our consciousness invested in these little 3D lives underway here on earth. It was explained to me that some large number of abductions involve "distant relatives". Too long a story to lay out here in this post, but it makes self consistent sense and certainly takes the fear factor out of it.

the MILAB stuff is another issue all together.

What do you think?

[Marian-Librarian]

Insighful... comments, as usual.....thanks....MP2

Tone3...well said!

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

[Tango]

I thought PC/PA was supposed to be all about truth; honesty...

Bill, was cut out of most of the interview [half of the team] to the viewer.
A wrinkled drop cloth used for the background...? See, stupid me, I was
under the understanding that Kerry, wanted to be a filmmaker. I heard
she wanted to enter film festivals... You think I was rough...?

One of My people brought a piece of work like that N' I go out of my tree...
The LA Film Festival, is one of the toughest markets; lots of competition.
How is she going to compete....? There is 'Talk' of doing a Movie, Right..!!!

All filmmakers are REAL people. I could post two (2) shorts from filmmakers
from the last competition. but, they are Rated R, [Utube] Strong Language;
Blood, gun fire and this is a PG Rated Site. If it was eyeball to eyeball I
would still give it to Kerry in written form; break it down in even more detail.
Slap MY Face...? For Telling the truth to a filmmaker...? Or, Maybe a Movie
maker...? Wow, You think I was rough... I'm a puppy in comparison to the
LA crowd... I've heard them !!! Now, their rough and graphic... How did
Kerry say it; it's NOT personal. Well My observations Were NOT personal...

So, You want Me to blow sunshine up someone's butt...

How's this for dishonesty:

Great work... Like the personal interaction between interviewer [Host]
and guest... Wow, great body contact and animation of body language
from the interviewer to the guest. Loved the way the interviewer kept
the guest off balance. Who was the voice on the left...? Off camera...
Nice touch... Crazy about the use facial expressions of the interviewer
during the guests answers, really added emotion to the whole scene.
What a GREAT Style... Wished the guest could have answered faster
so the interviewer could have asked even more different, questions of
the guest. Seems like the guest couldn't keep up with the interview,
he was always running behind in his answers. The waving of the
interviewers arms while the guest tried to answer was just sooo special.
And, the pushing of the guests arm got just the perfect reaction from
the guest. Oh Yeah, and thanks for bringing out all that New information
from the guest. He was able to make his points sooo clearly with the
interviewers help. It appears the Main interviewer has lost a considerable
amount of weight in the last couple of months. And her attire was so
slimming and attractive, could we find out where she shops...? I can tell
this interviewer is going to REALLY Go Places as a Host. Such a friendly
demeaner and attitude from the host. And, at the end the story from
Her co-host. We hardly knew he was there... He, must Not like to ask
many questions or have much to say... It was just sooo exciting to
watch the New Professional Style interviews are done in. Wow, she's
a REAL Professional Filmmaker... I just couldn't take my eyes off the
screen. What a riveting interview... [END]

So I ask you Marian... Is that Bright Sunshine [B.S.] enough...?

Wow... She's going to shoot a Movie... A REAL Movie maker. WOW

Eeck,

Tango

I Never, could play a phony... disgusting...

Originally Posted by Marian-Librarian

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....