Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!

[Tango]

OOOOOhhhhhhh... You sound like you

saw her in Action... I never saw anyone

draw [a CC] so fast My life... 103 pounds

of " I gotta have that." CHARGE IT...


Tango

See, I feel better now... [chuckle]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

Hear Hear

I say she is obviously a Venusian
strolling the shopping malls
with your abducted CC in her reptile purse
making Close Encounters of the 5th Kind
with the gullible locals

[Jnana]

Thanks Tango, I needed that.

Does anyone know what happened to C77? Looks like he's dropped off the forum membership and all of his posts are gone.

I found this post by Carol in a thread entitled "The Latest from Steven Greer" in the Avalon News and Updates section:

C77 went to one of Greer's workshops and has been vectoring in ET crafts for over a year now. He even had them show up in his living room and had the presence of mind to take pictures. He is almost finished with his book and has lots of photos of crafts vectored in.

He had a post describing meeting four ETs in the physical and he described what they each looked like. Sadly, that seems to have evaporated with the rest. One of the ETs he descibed matched the description of an ET Greer calls "Kindness".

[Tramik]

After watching the interview I still feel the same. I understand his point that there is an agenda to create a planetary war between races, however, that doesn’t mean we should assume that all extraterrestrials are service to man. From my own perspective, this inter-planetary war agenda is being pushed by an extra terrestrial race… so then what? We are to assume the ones wanting a war are good for the mere reason that believing in “bad Ets” could divide us?

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Jnana

Does anyone know what happened to C77? Looks like he's dropped off the forum membership and all of his posts are gone.

Yes, C77 (and his posts) was one of the ones in the latest mass exodus from the forum. Seems all of sudden some get a sense that Camelot/Avalon has not lived up to some of their expectations ... regarding behavior, values, etc. Kerry's maverick behavior (eg, Henry Deacon going on stage, etc.) has people stomping off in a huff on a regular basis - "I will not have my name associated with this type of stuff". This was one of the things I was referring to in my divide and conquer thread. I see these wedges being driven between us all over the place, but then upon more thought ... people just reorganize on the other side of the drama. I think most stay in the game rather than just drop out.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i look on the the et phenomenon as an interesting portion of the big picture. it mat be the single most imortant aspect of human excistence. most aspects of the et question are unproven and hearsay. people will tell their truth as they see it. i dont get too bogged down in the et thing, although im utterly facinated by it.

i like to focus on how im going to getthrough the trying times ahead, food storage, avoiding being mass medicated, growing food, survival skills ect. ET is cool and i dont doubt that they will show and/or we get false flagged. i shall deal with it when and if that arrises. too many other issues to contend with hear on earth without getting semantic about universal politics.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by Karen

Yes, C77 (and his posts) was one of the ones in the latest mass exodus from the forum. Seems all of sudden some get a sense that Camelot/Avalon has not lived up to some of their expectations ... regarding behavior, values, etc. Kerry's maverick behavior (eg, Henry Deacon going on stage, etc.) has people stomping off in a huff on a regular basis - "I will not have my name associated with this type of stuff". This was one of the things I was referring to in my divide and conquer thread. I see these wedges being driven between us all over the place, but then upon more thought ... people just reorganize on the other side of the drama. I think most stay in the game rather than just drop out.

Thanks for the update, Karen. I was getting similar feelings after watching the Greer "interview". Maybe this was one of those "going crazy" moments they talked about in the Miriam Delicado interview Thursday. Curiouser and curiouser....

[dagon]

I feel the same way. Im wondering who would want to be interviewed by camelot after watching that pissing contest. steven has an opinion and so does B& K. I support both. but Im leaning with greer on this one. sorry K. this was you worst interview yet. I hope we can get back on track. and discuss more important issues. with such valuable time. I don't see ETs destroying the earth yet. or killing us. I think we are. killing them that is. I se our government as the enemy. and humans are not friendly, and hostile.

love and light to all. don't get me wrong. I support B & K!!! or I wouldnt pay to be here.

[14 Chakras]

Consider, the possibility that the government behind your government is ET. Your military industrial complex is ET. The matrix is ET.

Consider that there are some nefarious humans working for them. However, the problem with the elite, is an ET problem. If you wanna pretend ETs are all nice beings trying to save us from mean humans... keep dreamin!

Consider good ETs exist. But consider: No, they don't build underground bases and control our governments. No they don't vie for control over the piddly humans on planet earth. Yes, they know we have to take back our own power by Self realization that we are co-creators with infinite, not piddly humans. Yes, they are working their best to stem the influence of the negative ETs without interfering with our own evolution or our free will and withing God's will (meaning they can't remove negative ETs until we stop falling for their deceptions). Consider most of them do not reside in the third dimension, although some very benevolent, but generally speaking unenlightened ones do. Consider they generally don't reside in the fourth dimension, which is the astral realm, the land of illusions and not a place we're receiving a lot of help from. (My discernment tells me hell itself is found in the lower levels of the Astral, although it may be worth considering that in this age shift it will be purified and completely cleared out).

Consider we need to stop looking horizontally for solutions outside of us and instead seeking vertically solutions from the infinite source within us.

The words of a master: Seek first the kingdom of heaven, the enlightened reality of who you are beyond the illusion matrix, and all will be given unto you.

"All" includes contact with many more benevolent and exciting universal life. But before we should focus on 'first contact' to et's outside of us (which we have likely always been in contact with to one degree or another and mislead by) we need to focus on 'first contact' with the source within us.

I didn't listen to the interview and it sounds like Kerry could have been more professional about it. That being said, consider the possibility Greer is living in fantasy land with his belief or claim that all ETs, or even a large percentage of ETs working in the third on planet earth right now, are benevolent.

[Andy]

OK. But what about the theories about the Annunaki/Reptilian ET's who genetically created Homo Sapiens 1000's of years ago to be their slaves and who have deliberately kept Humanity in fear so they may use/sacrifice/feed off the negative fear energy we are manipulated to produce. It seems the story/theory is that they interbred with the 13 illuminati families and have secretly been controlling the planet thro them for 1000's of years and that part of the plot is to keep this planet sealed off from contact with other ET's so that they may use us all to themselves, however there are other ET's (good ones I suppose) that can see the what has been going on here and wish to help us escape this imprisoment. This evidenced by all the myths and religious ideas about good vs evil as set out in the Bible, the Vedas, Greek mythology, Egyptian texts, ancient Sumerian texts etc.. i.e. good ET's (light beings) angels etc.. vs.Satan/Lucifer/ the fallen angels/demons dragons/reptiles i.e the bad ET's the Annunaki/Nephilim. The dark vs The Light.

All I know, and I've felt this all my life, is that there is a lot that isn't right on this planet, that's plain wrong, no good, evil, and we have been lied to big time by the ptb about many things and that they deliberately try to keep us dumbed down and in fear and enslaved and its got to end NOW. We all need to wake up and demand the truth and end all the lies and bs.

I think the truth about ETs is extremely complex and confused by time, space, frequency density and inter dimensional travel. In much the same way as the less pyschic of us perceive only thro the 5 senses on the earth plane
(3D)there are others who see and travel the 7 astral planes and the higher mental and causal planes that are veiled for most of us. I think there are many ETs/entities both dark and light who can operate on all or some of these many different planes/frequencies/dimensions and who visit 3D Earth for many different agendas.

The most important thing however is to keep our personal frequency up the register, not to fall foul of negative dark influences but to be happy and do things that make you feel good and to remember that we are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.
Peace & Love

[dagon]

theories.. its all theories. until this sh!% storm passes and all comes to light. its all stories and speculation. is it our government. us from the future, ETs, dimensional beings. whatever. until the fat lady sings. I will put all blame on our government and humans. even if a ufo came down and started scorching the earth and the people on it. Im still looking at the government and humans. for all we know the stories of the Annunaki and so on could just be more control by our keepers. we are the enemy. heck we are ETs. so thay say. why put blame on beings that don't have a voice. for the most part? has anybody here ever been hurt by an ET? I have been hurt by humans and our gov.


lets stop living in fear!!!

Im a hard core believer. in the ufo and alien theories. but with all the disinformation out there. everybody is a disinfo Agent. especially all humans. trust no one.

until then I keep a positive outlook and hope that contact will push us to a higher level of consciousness and spirituality. as I see more proof in this than any ill intent.

[pushedforfreedom]

As someone who follows the CSETI protocols on a regular basis, I can attest to the genuine experiences that come with vectoring in craft to your location. I have never had a negative experience, and I don't believe that any one of the thousands of other CSETI field workers out there have either.

What does this prove? Not much in some peoples opinion. But it does prove that if there are "hostile aliens" watching us too, then they're letting us make contact with the benevolent extraterrestrials. And there's something to be said for that.

When it's 3 a.m. and I hear many bumps in the night right beside me, I know that if it was a negative physical being, that I would probably not be here talking right now - but that's just not the case.

[dagon]

[14 Chakras]

I agree unconditional love is the answer.

The question is, what is unconditional love?

Is it fluffy love? Or is it the kind of love that comes with responsibility, is it the kind of love that demands that life break out of it's illusions and becomes More?

It is worth considering that free will is very real.

That means no being falls into a negative state of consciousness because that is their role and it is who they are supposed to play. They fall there, generally speaking, because they accept certain illusions about who they are and their relation to God and others.

Regardless of cycles changing, free will remains the ultimate law.

Those who choose illusion and darkness won't suddenly be changed into loving beings, unless they themselves choose to bend the knee and move back towards the light.

I believe Jesus set a very good example of what unconditional love is.

Jesus challenged the religious elite of his day often during his mission. He called them: snakes, sons of vipers (reptilians perhaps?), further:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation."

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves"

They "appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

We could go on...

Was he challenging some of the same fallen beings that are deceiving humanity today?

Unconditional love is the answer, but consider unconditional love demands that the illusions of this world, and the arch-deceivers behind them, are challenged. It takes people in embodiment to stand up and do that.

There is an elite in our world and they use mind control, ritual, deception and mass murder including wars to stay in control. They live from the energy that we misplace.

We can say, forget about that, just focus on love, but that is not love balanced with power and wisdom.

This is our world, and if we expect it to get any better, we'll have to point out the illusion before we can bring forth solutions that won't be manipulated.

If the people knew better they would do better.

Those behind the shadow government must be exposed. It may be worth considering that it is irresponsible to say that all ETs are benevolent when so many people have shared their experiences otherwise.

In my opinion, it doesn't take too much thinking to see that the matrix and conspiracy the size that humanity is now facing is well beyond the human minds ability to create and control.

Did Jesus pretend that all beings here are of the light, or did he warn of us of wolves in sheep's clothing?

Consider, unconditional love does not love the illusion, the darkness, the deceiver. Unconditional love loves the reality of the divine energy and being that is behind the illusion. Unconditional love loves the conscious Self of the deceiver, who is trapped in it's illusions. In order to help wake up the conscious Self, the divine hidden in the darkness, the light must be shinned on the darkness in the first place. That's our job, to shine the light.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

The question is, what is unconditional love?

First step would be non-judgment based on external appearances.

Ie: reptilian looking, unconventional looking humanoids, mantis beings.

Just because these beings look 'scary' doesnt mean they are at all, they may be angelic in their compassionate love for all of creation.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Luminari

...Just because these beings look 'scary' doesnt mean they are at all, they may be angelic in their compassionate love for all of creation.

If these beings look scary they probably are so and may be demonic in their deceit towards all of creation

Being of Truth and Love is Beauty

[Steven]

This thread is interesting. A lot of sharing of different point of view.

Here is mine about Steven Greer.

He is not the same Steven Greer we knew with disclosure project. He has touched a very sensitive nerve in 2001. He got in touch with elite's puppets. He did not come back intact.

Or he has been threatened, or he has been implanted, or he is partially mentally controlled, or something else occurred that made him invite people in a dangerous direction. It might be a compound of all these suppositions. He might not be aware of that control himself.

I would really like to see someone asking him WHY he has called one of his new project; ORION project?

My take is that they are laughing at us how easy they can manipulate Hu-manity. They can manipulate a part of us, but not the divinity in us. This, in order to take total control has to be shut down. The good news is that instead of being shut down, it is waking up.

Trust your inner voice from the heart, not the head. Call it and ask it any question, give it some time and you'll have always an answer. This can not be misleading.

Namaste, Steven

[DOMINIC 777]

I think we have to take this to its highest point
INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL POSITIVE.....therefore that implies that there are positive E.T'S.......
How do we discern if a person on the earth is telling the truth from falsehood , information from disinformation,
and the answer to this is ,if it is all positive and for the good of MANKIND then it is truth /reality.

the question arise is" How can a person portray the truth(BEING POSITIVE) when infact he/she thinks the opposite.....and how do we discern this...(wolf in sheeps clothing)......They pretend to be the shepherd....then kill the sheep and blame it on something or someone else....
Therefore the wisest thing to do is to use intuiton ,yes,.....also analyse why there is a disagreement between these 2 factions, ALSO, have you seen a neg E.T?..
HAS ANYONE ELSE YOU TRUST SEEN A NEG E.T.
Discernment will get harder as we confront SANITY with INSANITY...REALITY with unreality...TRUTH with falsehood deception non sequiter....LOVE with hate/malevolence and REASON with disordered reason.
LOL
dominic

Originally Posted by Steven

This thread is interesting. A lot of sharing of different point of view.

Here is mine about Steven Greer.

He is not the same Steven Greer we knew with disclosure project. He has touched a very sensitive nerve in 2001. He got in touch with elite's puppets. He did not come back intact.

Or he has been threatened, or he has been implanted, or he is partially mentally controlled, or something else occurred that made him invite people in a dangerous direction. It might be a compound of all these suppositions. He might not be aware of that control himself.

I would really like to see someone asking him WHY he has called one of his new project; ORION project?

My take is that they are laughing at us how easy they can manipulate Hu-manity. They can manipulate a part of us, but not the divinity in us. This, in order to take total control has to be shut down. The good news is that instead of being shut down, it is waking up.

Trust your inner voice from the heart, not the head. Call it and ask it any question, give it some time and you'll have always an answer. This can not be misleading.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

If someone follow Greer's statement as all alien races are positive, you have to forget about several testimony and witnessing that tells the opposite.

Alex Collier's information is one major "public contactee" who certainly gives another point of view about it. Zecharia Sitchin research and analysis of the Sumerian tablets also point out that we are under a secretive alien intervention since thousand of years. Marsharl Vian Summers is another major "public contactee" who has written several books states that the major treat humanity is facing IS the alien intervention going on at this moment, involving our secret "rulers". The messages contained in the "handbooks for the new paradigm" received by George Green clearly state that we are facing an alien intervention calling them "dark force" (it does not look "positive" to me).

Several witnesses who came out publicly in 2001 with the disclosure projects were clearly showing our governments involved with alien in secret project and contracts (see also Dulce book). It is amazing to see Greer stating all alien are positive after hearing so many of his own witnesses saying quite the opposite!

Someone must ask him why he says that after listening his own "2001 witnesses"?

Jordan Maxwell (like him or not) researches has brought out the very same conclusion; Humanity is under an alien intervention...

Many others witnesses and whistleblowers are pointing out an alien intervention going on Earth at this moment. Claiming it is all wrong and all ETs are positive is definitely naive and dangerous. You can not simply swiping a whole lot of testimony and witnessing just for the matter of being "opened" to first contact.

We know most of the species are benevolent and are waiting for us to be awaken and aware of our galactic citizenship to make opened contact. Nevertheless, keep in mind there are alliances of alien who are opposing this and will not stop their influence over Earth easily. According to "Allies of humanity" several ETs lost their life bringing us this message. Nothing positive in killing the ones who wants to wake us up...

Ask Peggy Kane if all ETs are positive! Anyway... The list is quite long to clearly show we are under alien intervention and influence. It also shows some "humans" are on their side. I think Greer statement is part of the mental manipulation program we are facing. Now that "they" are about to be exposed, "they" prefer to appear as friendly... What a better subject than Greer himself to be carrier of this wonderful positive message...

Namaste, Steven

[371]

Greer is a douche.

That much is blatantly obvious about him seeing him interviewed or speak.

Not to mention, he charges thousands of dollars to for people to come hang out with him at his 'CE5' workshops, which include laying in a lawnchair staring at the sky while Greer summons UFOs with a flashlight.

That says it all for me, I need not look farther than that.

[NewParadigmGuy]

The man in the Manhunt solicitation is 40 years old, yet according to Wikipedia Greer is 54.

[DOMINIC 777]

hello 371
Charging money for the truth is wrong,quote:while Greer summons UFOs with a flashlight; all I say is how do they know it is his flashlight ?...,when millions of flashlights are used each night...as always I WILL KEEP AN OPEN MIND
lol
dominic

Originally Posted by 371

Greer is a douche.

That much is blatantly obvious about him seeing him interviewed or speak.

Not to mention, he charges thousands of dollars to for people to come hang out with him at his 'CE5' workshops, which include laying in a lawnchair staring at the sky while Greer summons UFOs with a flashlight.

That says it all for me, I need not look farther than that.

[Carol]

First off it is a laser light, not a flash light. Second, trashing others says more about you personally as a person then the person one is attempting to discredit.

[371]

Originally Posted by Carol

First off it is a laser light, not a flash light.

Ok, sorry. LASER LIGHT.


That is much better.

Second, trashing others says more about you personally as a person then the person one is attempting to discredit.

That is ok. I am the first to admit I can be a jerk.

If its one thing I can say for 100% FACT, is that I am never fake on here. Life is too short to be phony.

[TRANCOSO]

That is ok. I am the first to admit I can be a jerk.

Nice to read that the first intuitive idea I had about you, was correct.

[abraxasinas]

Hi All!

I have posted some scientific content on what Steven Greer 'seems' to be trying to convey about no 'bad' aliens.

I have worked on the science of consciousness for decades (I have a science degree, which is a bit old now from Queensland Australia in the 1980s), but specialise in pioneering mainstream standard models in physics (cosmology and particle physics).

Now the thing with Steven Greer was the following. I viewed the interview with Bill and Kerry and found Steven's comments in just about 95% line with my own work.
Then I watched his Barcelona (or Madrid?) representation and found a GENERAL convergence in his address with everything else know about through my own research.

I normally do not engage in 'persona' debates on public forums; but I experienced a resonating electromagnetic 'spark' when I viewed Greer's interview with Bill and Kerry.
This wasn't persona oriented, but related to what he said.
This is unusual (and I do converse with many people on an impersonal - just data -level) and therefore did I take the time to check things out.
Now today, reading much of your comments and the debates here and on the Bill Ryan thread; I learn about 'money' and 'sexual' issues about Steven Greer and this (in the former not the second as the second has rather important implications to 'harmonise' and to metamorphosise the 'old human' cosmic Id into a 'new starhuman' Id) of course does indeed ALLOW a kind of double-agent role wrt his proclaimed agenda.

Allow me to state, that I have tried to personally contact Steven Greer via his website and I shall refine my 'analysis' as to his integrity of stated purpose if and when I get a reply from him.
I shall inform the forum here about any developments.
I have also sent the post (to Steven Greer) to Bill and Kerry.

Lastly, allow me to state that there are wonderful people on this forum and whilst there seem to be some disagreements in interpreations; all contributions I have read derive from a well above the norm 'understanding of the true spirituality' inherent in all of the old human caterpillars who have fed enough to enter their cocoons to transform into a new and hitherto utopian 'butterflies of joy and love'.

There does exist a 'Secret of Humanity' and this 'secret' addresses your cosmic identies, both individually and collectively.
The difference between those two modes (you are all at more places simultaneously and your own doppelgaengers or shadows) - is at the basis of the 'good ET- - 'bad ET' dichotomy.

John Shadow