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Dear WinterWolf,
Thank you for your feedback! ![]() Are you saying this is your idea..your vision as you see fit about the Radiant Zones here? I highlighted it in green. So...are you saying all of this pertinent and important information is all theoretical, hypothetical and speculative? Or do you mean building the Radiant Zone is based on theoretical, hypothetical and speculative information? Perhaps you are saying the tenets/foundation/base of what the Radiant Zone will be establish on is just a result of theory? I highlighted the last sentence in green for reference. Yes, unfortunately is true. All the information we have is just speculative, theoretical. We can split in two groups: - the perils/menaces/dangers - the organisation of a retreat to cope with a wide range of these threats I don't know anybody put a paper with a signature and stamp, for example when the fiat currency is crashing, or when they will attack Iran or something, etc For the construction of houses, many can give advices, but I do not know people actually built with that purpose as their target. At least I did see NorthenSantuary and TtC and because of that their experience is precious, let's hope they are willing to share with us. ![]() The rest of what you've said sounds a lot like Darwinism to me. The survival of the fittest..the strong over the weak. Sift through the wheat and throw out the chaff. Oh yeah, people will become crazy and envious because there's a bunch of people living in the Radiant Zone. I do not want to seem like Darwinism, if that you understand I'm sorry. Whatever I'm saying is that first of all we should be realistically. We ARE LIVING NOW, in this world, if we want accomplish something we need to use the TOOLS, as primitive as they are, with the single purpose, to put in practice the truth. I want to make a clear statement, that in order build something, you need money, material resources. If you can bypass that, I would be happy to hear. Now, what I'm stating, that this issue shouldn't be a hindrance for us, but also a wise man cannot exclude. We live in this world and if tomorrow my money cache is ending, nobody will feed me, just for the sake of mine. This for sure, or this is my petty experience till now. If we are coming with extraordinary grand ideas, but which are not fesable, this is not may style. I hate the theoretically without practice, from my early faculty years, when teacher only balking but never show us something real. I think the same are appreciating many people of this forum. Another thing that I appreciate is the TRUTH. Truth towards yourself and to the others. Without this basis, I consider nothing of value can be built! And this thing is telling me, that I cannot help all the world so I have to refrain to directly help to my family or a hand of people because my resource are limited, but I try to be as much as help I can to other people as well. This is I wrote about this forum and was my main reason for being here.This are the issues that I stated so many times, and probably displeased you in such manner that to categorize my vision, being pure darwinism or materialism. Even the idea of saving ALL PEOPLE is grandiose, for sure is not feasible when it come the implementation phase; look I do not want to stuck to that implementation phase. I do not want to basculate to the other extreme: Just at grand ideas and nothing practically. If I need bricks, and tile and concrete, I need to have money to buy, or at least I should offer something of value for it, isn't it? If this sound Darwinistically for you I'm sorry, for me is just pragmatism. Why pragmatism, because I really want built something, not just showing grandiose, inapplicable ideas on forums. Fear mongering? Hysteria? I don't know. You tell me. Look WinterWolf, how many times I stated in may posts, here in this thread, that we will take measures and provisions JUST IN CASE. We cannot do more, I don't have an insider in Higher Upper circles to tell me such: "look in 3 day we will do this an that" Really this approach of us being given exact dates and be briefed exactly what happened and why and what to do, seem childlish for me, and more toward entitlement attitude, which have been seeded by elites to create a large and dependable social strata. So, I don't have friends in such higher places; If I would be in the situation of that level of information, probably I wouldn't be here, in the first place. As many people, I search here, in Avalon, with seemed most feet-on-the-ground, serious and credible informative forum. Also the way Kerry and Bill taken interviews, while filtering what they aren't totally convinced of information genuine , is a good place for guidance and getting insights about WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN. I would thank them and all the people here, for those informations, because selfishly brought their knowledge and shared with us. Maybe Noah could have been cataloged as hysterical and fear mongering because he had been building his Ark? Probable, their neighbours same said about him at that times. Are we fear mongering and hysterical if we follow the guidance from God? prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished. [Proverbs 27:12] I don't think so. There is not about the survival of the fittest, rather is the POSSIBLE SURVIVAL of those which are not discrediting and mocking the huge amount of warning evidence, is trying to take precautionary measures and waste their time, energy and resources for this purpose. Just think about the Noah mockers? Do people know in these days, even their names? Do you think that Noah, wouldn't care for them if they would of taken his advice and not ridiculed him in place? Could we consider him a darwinist? Even to Noah, God Himself didn't tell exactly when the flood will come, just told him to construct his Ark, and by vision send Noah tha Ark's plans. Everybody will have what will search after: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. [Matthew 7:7] So, according with that, God assures us that we will get what we ask or we are trying to accomplish by our searches and our work. As well as those who are not search for safety, survival and protection while are mocking others. I just have the vision of the waves slowly rising the Noah Ark and all the mockers with utmost fear in them, trying to hang themselves in a desperate move to floating Ark and I can feel the bitterness and regrets in the Noah heart that he cannot save them. As you know, nothing new under the sun, so it happened then, same will come soon, regardless which terms are you categorize that. I would categorize as REALISM PRAGMATISM, AND BE TRUTHFUL TO YOURSELF. Who say different, just trying to look nice in from of other people, couldn't be a truthful person, because when the line is draw, they cannot save everybody as they previously stated, in their desire to make better appeal to people, than one which stated from the very begining he cannot help just a handful of people. Why not just post the relevant information out there without ones own personal spin on it? Why not just let people read it and let them make their own informed judgement on what needs to be done for them? I'm agreeing with you, but we need to have an backbone, and structure which people would give their thought, ideas and suggestion. Without that order will be a total chaos and the purpose will be not serve. According with me (again, I cannot know thinking of others) the purpose shoud be: Creation of a set of directive lines, suggestions, guidance, that if sombedy will want, sometime to make a retreat for him and his friends, to be able to do ASAP, to have a place where to start. We should ilustrate there al the major thing should be considered along with suggestion or solution we consider best. A START-UP DCUMENT, if somoane is in a hurry and want start something like a Radiant Zone This will contain the domains, best suggestion to handle, cods of conduct, procedures, what to do if, etc, etc. All that information should be gathered form myriads of people and be put in writing. We shoud state the reason why, we suggest this or that and some practica implementation. For gathering this vast domain and huge amount data and to process and then come with a compilation which should be agreed by majority of the forum, we wil need an OUTLINE That is I tried to do, in that document here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3...4e75f6e8ebb871 A sketch for an OUTLINER, where the people to give their contribution. I'm not say is exhaustive and complete, far frm me this thought, but at least this is my idea we should proceed to cove these issues. Of, course as many people in the know, get involved, the Outliner will improve, I'm positive. Right now is a point of start, because if we want to accomplish something we need some order in our thoughts and ideas. After the Outliner is created, then we start to fill it with info from people. When is ready, discussed and approve, we can publish as a guide for a Radiant Zone. Nobody has to abide it, just an initial guidance. But if someone will follow it, will be on the safe side. Here will come into play our collective wise. As a summary Radiant Zone Guide issuing: 1. Presenting the main chapters of what should be in our Radiant Zone Guide (suggested by me in the pdf linked) 2. people agree with the OUTLINER (add or delete, or modify) 3. After an outliner is approved, we start to collect and gather information 4. After the collection is done, in the meantime people can give they approval or disapproval for that thing, advise, guidance, etc we will FINALISE a RADIANT ZONE GUIDE draft. Will be there for further comments/improvements 5. After a time we will be considering as final form and anybody can use it, as he thinks as is good So, we will just create this guide, we are not trying to recruit fellow dwellers, or persons, nor sell or commercialize land, radiant living places to live or that kind of issues. I think for that level of pragmatism, is beyond the purpose of this forum and our presence here. This is not my intent and personally, I wouldn't look appreciative to such kind of commercial attitude. Though nobody is against taht durig this process, people get knowing better each other and may think to joint together enterprise on their on and private affair, out of the forum. Pleas free to comment, Winterwolf and folks. ![]() Last edited by artvision; 07-23-2009 at 01:13 PM. |
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Friends,
Here is my humbly thinking about how the radiant zone/community should be built. I am intentionally not extensive with the explications, but I am ready to explain to anybody who is not clear with something written here. I firmly believe that life in the group is not possible without some rules, written or spoken. Higher densities also have rules. Universe is build upon rules…The point is to keep our rules as much as possible close to the Universe’s rules, which, in my opinion, is a state of governing of the high conscious and free will, and maximally relativisation of the leadership and ownership – two main ego-manifestations in this world. Because of that I tried to mix some elements of different systems. If we prevail ego in the relations inside the community – it will be successful. What is most important for me is that this kind of organization should be temporary, until coming of what we are all expecting, but we don’t know how it will look. I am not pretending that this is the best model, far from it, it is just a draft, my actual thinking and contributing. Also, there are other topics that should be discussed, but in some other occasion. Love and Respect RADIANT ZONE COMMUNITY (TRANSITIONAL MODEL) BASIC VALUES: Conscious, Love, Peace, Freedom, Truth, Justice, Service to others, Respect, Nature, Beauty, Spiritual growth/Enlightenment. CRITERION FOR THE VALUES: Universal positive human legacy. Knowledge. Wisdom. Collective intuition. AUTHORITY: Total democracy mixed with Native American Indians way and elements of anarchy. For all of the issues of importance for the community, all of the members are voting. One member one vote. There must be minimum 2/3 majority for every issue to pass. If there is no solution with 2/3 majority voting after 2 voting circles, then 3-9 elders members (Council of Elders) of the community will take the decision. Council of Elders is also a coordinative body for the voting process. Everyone has the right to propose voting issue. Every proposal will be voted. OWNERSHIP: Community belongs to all of its members equally. Everyone participate with what he/her has. Investors own their buildings. They have no other special rights above the rest of the members. Food and water are collective own. Everyone has right on individual possession of cloth and elementary stuff. MEMBERSHIP: New members are welcomed. Before getting full membership, they should pass the test period. STRUCTURE: Community has society branches (education, healthcare, technology etc.) depending by the capacity of the membership. All of the branches are based upon the BASIC VALUES, specially the education. Branches are evolving in accordance with the nature environment. CONTRIBUTION: Everyone is contributing (labor, security, education etc.) according to his/her abilities and his/her conscious. If somebody obviously abuse the confidence, he/her will be (first) warn by the Council of Elders, and if continue will be voted to leave the community. DEFENSE&SECURITY: Everyone is included into the defense of the community, according to the occasion. Defense matter is guided by the person who is most experienced and specialized about the matter. He is woted for this position after the proposal of the Council of Elders, and his leading position is valid only when defense is required. Last edited by Oliver; 07-23-2009 at 03:53 PM. |
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Please don't be offended by what I'm posting and I don't mean to pick on you. You just happen to have the most to say at the moment.
Do you think all of those pioneering spirits who trekked out west to make a home for themselves really had any money? They built their homes through the sweat of their labor..cutting down trees, tilling the land with the tools they had...making bricks for their walls from clay. What you need is land to build on and supposedly Ttc has it..... If you wish to live free etc then live off of the land. The Native Americans did it. Perhaps looking at how the Amish live and have prospered over the years can be looked at. Here's a handy link. http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml The internet has a vast wealth of information for anyone to find anything needed for their survival. Noah and his famous Ark. Why did I feel like this would come up? ![]() Noah was following a vision sent from a Divine source. He did what his inner voice guided him to do. Likely his neighbors probably thought he was a bit strange for building a giant boat. They probably asked him what he was doing and I really doubt he'd to raving about like a madman saying, "The end is nigh! Save yourselves or kiss your ass goodbye!" (oh hey..that rhymed! ![]() Oh yes. The Creator is the Creator. No source on the Mother could possibly even compare. Discrediting and mocking? No. Creating dialogue and attempting to punch holes in a given theory or idea is a means to test the merit of that given thing. If all you have are a ton of people agreeing only, then how do you know where the dangers are? There are quite a few people out there willing to bilk you of your money, trample your dignity, ruin all that you have worked for all for the sake of furthering themselves. I would rather people not blindly leap into something without exhausting all channels of dialogue. Question so that you may know and if the answer is not satisfactory then question more. The path to Hell was paved with good intentions. I would rather not hear and read about another Waco or a Jonestown. I would rather not hear and read about another Heaven's Gate type of cult rising. To those who read, I am not posting to discourage anyone. I merely wish for people to choose with wisdom, knowledge and their eyes wide open. “If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit. (Matthew 15:14)” Winter Wolf Quote:
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Thank you for being here . These are my own thoughts regarding yours posted to Artivision. I am not speaking however in the name of Artivision. Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 07-24-2009 at 02:23 PM. Reason: fixed the quotes |
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In response to WinterWolf:
Please don't be offended by what I'm posting and I don't mean to pick on you. You just happen to have the most to say at the moment. I'm not offended, believe me. Usually people determined to do something, get "lots of attention". I will take that just a strengthening factor. There is a saying, when you want do something, DO NOT TELL ANYONE. Because many will be find, telling and assuring you, that what you want to do, is impossible. Do you think all of those pioneering spirits who trekked out west to make a home for themselves really had any money? They built their homes through the sweat of their labor..cutting down trees, tilling the land with the tools they had...making bricks for their walls from clay. What you need is land to build on and supposedly Ttc has it..... If you wish to live free etc then live off of the land. The Native Americans did it. You seem not anchored in reality WinterWolf. That story, was going on in 1800's, when the pioneers were stealing the land of those that "live off of the land"; just check the history books. The rest with sweat and everything, who says will not come into place? I just said the money are mandatory just to start constructing the RZ. Buying land, materials, etc. Also the Perhaps looking at how the Amish live and have prospered over the years can be looked at. Here's a handy link. http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml Good, I much appreciate the Amish society and their survival stamina unaltered for hundreds of years. Much is to be to learn from them and from Native Indians. The internet has a vast wealth of information for anyone to find anything needed for their survival. Yes, but will be for no much help if somebody needs something in rush, as we see today bad things happening at fast pace, in the world. The whole point is to collect information from skillful people, information that is granted to be valid by their own expertise; we are not discussing something similar such advertising for survival kits, from internet. This is the whole point WinterWolf, I'm sorry you missed it. I think this is you wanted Mudra, in the first place, right? Noah and his famous Ark. Why did I feel like this would come up? ![]() Because you know you discuss with higher IQ people. Anyway this forum will discourage others. You know that, because also you are active here, right? Noah was following a vision sent from a Divine source. He did what his inner voice guided him to do. How do you know, that is not the same, also for me? Also, it would have been easier for me leave the things alone, but I feel that I can't. We need to do something, more than pointing links on the internet. We need to do something from our own and for people benefits. This I thought, was all the point for a thread like this. If there are no people benefit from our comments, then our comments would be redundant, wouldn't be so? Likely his neighbors probably thought he was a bit strange for building a giant boat. They probably asked him what he was doing and I really doubt he'd to raving about like a madman saying, "The end is nigh! Save yourselves or kiss your ass goodbye!" (oh hey..that rhymed! ![]() Judging after same is happening today, is no use to try wake up them, so hardly, to pressure people, no. Every soul will be waked up at the right moment, proper for him. Maybe Noah such has been instructed by God, or maybe get tired to wake up the mocking flock. Everything are suppositions. Oh yes. The Creator is the Creator. No source on the Mother could possibly even compare. Discrediting and mocking? No. Creating dialogue and attempting to punch holes in a given theory or idea is a means to test the merit of that given thing. If all you have are a ton of people agreeing only, then how do you know where the dangers are? Good, so to understand that you are here, like a white hat hacker, trying to test the security of it's own server? Nice, though! People like me like to be kept on edge and not rusting! You can keep going on, no problem! But the issue here, if I understood right, was to gather important and relevant issues/procedures/guides for the people, not testing the shallowness or the deepness of other poster minds. The issue here was not to agree or not, but to contribute or not, but with latest posts, we are furthering most from the last affirmation, that with contribution... There are quite a few people out there willing to bilk you of your money, trample your dignity, ruin all that you have worked for all for the sake of furthering themselves. Really I never had that impression you mention, being here for long as observer and short as poster, but never occurred me things you were saying. But maybe your experience is different, I'm sorry you encountered such characters here. Most of the people posts here, seem to be great folks, very open mind, intelligent, bright, enlightened and of good character, otherwise I wouldn't join in the first place, anyway is the only forum I write, in my entire life (and I'm not young, though). Sorry for you feel so... I would rather people not blindly leap into something without exhausting all channels of dialogue. Question so that you may know and if the answer is not satisfactory then question more. Yes, this was the whole point, we said we must do this Radiant Zone informative gathering, by asking one, another, etc. That we were doing up to now, or thought we were doing up to now. Now, I'm not so sure... The path to Hell was paved with good intentions. I would rather not hear and read about another Waco or a Jonestown. I would rather not hear and read about another Heaven's Gate type of cult rising. I think your imagination is much drifting here ![]() ![]() If your feelings are that this will be the outcome of our activity here, I will be scared to the point of not contributing to this thread, just because being afraid of these bad things might happen. What we discuss at this specific point is like: Who is to be blamed for a crime? The manufacturer of the weapon because the weapon killed that victim, or the person which handled/triggered/ that weapon? To those who read, I am not posting to discourage anyone. I merely wish for people to choose with wisdom, knowledge and their eyes wide open. Be sure, there are people here, that they saw DEATH with their eyes, not so easy you to discourage. ![]() The rest which may be discouraged, maybe they shouldn't be on this thread anyhow. Life is not a walk in the park, don't mention the "goodies' that TPTB are preparing for us; even lesser. And do not be a fear monger, nor a hysteric, as some people categorise such attitude. I just want to be aware, that nasty things could happen and human with their capabilities, must survive them. So, I suggest people with feeble courage to bite their hearts and stay, who knows maybe some people really in the business of survival, will join us, thrashing our babbling and we all have to learn from them. Who knows? “If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit. (Matthew 15:14)” Winter Wolf[/QUOTE] Agree with you for the saying, but here it was not the case, anybody leading anybody. We are all mature, well seasoned people, with our heads on our shoulders and I didn't feel somebody lead other to something, though a guidance should be in place, just for not loosing the final aim. Which I feel we start to loose. Therefore I kindly ask people start contributing, first to create the guiding lines of what we need to cover and then flesh it out with proper information rather than open philosophical dilemmas which were not solved for thousands of years before us, by even brighter beings that may have been existed up to now. What do you say people? Last edited by artvision; 07-24-2009 at 06:19 PM. |
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What I say Artvision (and Winter Wolf) is that...I would like communities to possess horses!
Come on, people...! You are both right. Lets back to the matter. ![]() |
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Wow. So now I am living in my own world? Do you resort to personal attacks when you can't think of anything better to say?
Talking to higher IQ people. Wow. I laughed so hard at this entire post that I almost snorted my orange juice while I was drinking it and reading this. I have dealt with you with respect and you attack me. That's really good of you. I should give you a gold star. Your comment on you are all far from the Jim Jones fall out right now. So are you saying there is potential for it? Have you even read anything about Jonestown and the Agricultural Project? It all started out well and then descended into madness. I speak of caution for anyone who decides to join any community with the greatest of intentions. It isn't for me to decide for the viewers. All I am doing is putting in dissenting views to try and get total transparency on the Radiant Zone. I am done with this whole debacle. You insult my intelligence and me with thus rhetoric. Honestly I do not think you even know what I am about or am doing. I don't even know why I even bothered to lower my spiritual energy to match most on the board for... The Mods can feel free to ban me if they like. Then again those who are following this thread will see that anyone playing devil's advocate or simply wishing to present a different view for fact finding will just be punished. Winter Wolf in service to the Creator. Quote:
Agree with you for the saying, but here it was not the case, anybody leading anybody. We are all mature, well seasoned people, with our heads on our shoulders and I didn't feel somebody lead other to something, though a guidance should be in place, just for not loosing the final aim. Which I feel we start to loose. Therefore I kindly ask people start contributing, first to create the guiding lines of what we need to cover and then flesh it out with proper information rather than open philosophical dilemmas which were not solved for thousands of years before us, by even brighter beings that may have been existed up to now. What do you say people?[/QUOTE] |
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Wow. So now I am living in my own world? Do you resort to personal attacks when you can't think of anything better to say?
No, WinterWolf, I resort at personal attackes as much as you did. Did you already forget the qulificatives of "darwinist", "hysteric" and "fear mongering"? Just look tree posts upstairs, in your comments. Seem very easy forgeting when is about you! I'm respond in the way as I'm approached. If I'm approached with kindness and delicacy, I answer accordingly, though what you expected, after you thrown words as rocks in me? Is like Action and Reaction. I'm far away be like Jesus. I didn't learn yet, to turn the other cheek. Talking to higher IQ people. Wow. Look even you don't consider myself as higher IQ, is OK, it is only 131 on Tickle's IQ test, yes, not seems matching the reality as long as I'm answering you. You guessed, I'm sure, with your top IQ, that I'm continuing to answer just for the respect I have for this forum and for the people here you are not getting tired to mock and offend. I laughed so hard at this entire post that I almost snorted my orange juice while I was drinking it and reading this. It is your business that you laughed so hard, is good for the health, but anyway you didn't share with us what's your reasons for such laugh, as much as all discussion before you get with the boots in, seems very constructive and serious. No fun there. You just started with warnings, take care, so on so.. like people here are 5 years old and need a nanny to tell them how to behave. Not only that, but the people trying to contribute something, you make them indirectly, fear mongers and hysterics. I'm wondering what should we do, just you not laugh? Maybe to devour fascinated and in trance-like, your words of wisdom? Would then you more appreciated us? Or maybe then you would have been laugh snorting a barrel of orange juice, not only a glass, as you say. As a survival advice for you: when you read avalon forum, refrain from drinking liquids, seems very dangerous for your health ![]() I have dealt with you with respect and you attack me. That's really good of you. I should give you a gold star. Your comment on you are all far from the Jim Jones fall out right now. So are you saying there is potential for it? Have you even read anything about Jonestown and the Agricultural Project? It all started out well and then descended into madness. The respect you are talking about, from your word seems a vesuvius, but when you look in your posts, is very subtle to the point of not be detected; at least with our brains of low IQ, which you laugh at. This issue with Jonestown and with religious sects, seems far fetched for me to bring in discussion alegedly of what we have been spoken up to now, I think that you brought just you be able to fear mongering and intimidate more sensible persons here. This is the only reason you brought that subject! Seems you weren't interested in the topic per se. Be truthful with us and tell if you even have the curiosity to open the pdf with the visual chart of the Radiant Zones? If someone asks me, I would tell him, you didn't. Sorry if I'm wrong, but from what you said up to now, for me, didn't seemed has the slightest relation with topic, nicely brought by Mudra, wish to thank with this occasion. I speak of caution for anyone who decides to join any community with the greatest of intentions. Here's the nanny pitch again! ![]() And first of all here we didn't discuss about joining any Radiant Zones, jus we were debating what should contain and how to be organized. But seems you didn't bother to read thoroughly. It isn't for me to decide for the viewers. All I am doing is putting in dissenting views to try and get total transparency on the Radiant Zone. From your post, seem contrary with your affirmation, seems you want to decide. What to follow, what not worth follow; what is of good value, what is theoretical and so on...If your dissenting views relate with posting people's IQ, and people bilk others money, maybe you are right. When is about Radiant Zone, I didn't remain with some idea from you. I am done with this whole debacle. You insult my intelligence and me with thus rhetoric. Me too. Seems that when you see someone is matching your agresivity and is not intimidate easily, you decide to stop the fight and snickely attack some other time, when the ocassion is right. I'm sure you will say no, to that! ![]() ![]() Honestly I do not think you even know what I am about or am doing. I don't even know why I even bothered to lower my spiritual energy to match most on the board for... Great, how yourself get the mask off from your face. Up to here you were nannying us, supposedly because of care for us, the poor people, maybe sheeple, you consider us, almost be hoarded by a virtual Avalonic Jim Jones, or a Koresh Lider Maximo, but now that you see you bite on rock, you back off. The Mods can feel free to ban me if they like. Then again those who are following this thread will see that anyone playing devil's advocate or simply wishing to present a different view for fact finding will just be punished. You talk too much about devil, for my like. That in mix with Creator, is reflecting a dire and strange light from your side. About banning from forum, I think that as long this is the opinion of people here, as is good, bad, whatever, they not banning you nor anyone else at least we maintain a decent tone, even we criticize some ideas, behavior or sometime peoples. Why, because we are not perfect beings and we have our pride, ego, selfishness, or instinct of survival. But this with moderation. Thank you for your feedback, really I appreciate even is more criticism in it, because there wouldn't be good, without existence of evil (not related with our discussion here) Winter Wolf in service to the Creator. I will end also this debate, because didn't advance the RZ issues, but talking too much to/about wolves here in the thread, I'm afraid not ending as a Lone Wolf! ![]() This and that that I do not want to bother nor upset such kind people here, which I much respect! ![]() Look, very interesting signature you have. I like that idea with always being a warrior. But there is a difference in to be one, or just to shout this. My signature, I'd like to be: SURVIVAL=5B's Belief, Brains, Beans, Bullets, Bandaids Last edited by artvision; 07-24-2009 at 10:46 PM. |
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Artvision _Winterwolf
Beyond polemic there is always another solution .One that stands from higher being and that is grounded in your heart. Cool off the heat and find that third way of apprehending things. Equanimity adapted from a talk by Gil Fronsdal, May 29th, 2004 Equanimity is one of the most sublime emotions of Buddhist practice. It is the ground for wisdom and freedom and the protector of compassion and love. While some may think of equanimity as dry neutrality or cool aloofness, mature equanimity produces a radiance and warmth of being. The Buddha described a mind filled with equanimity as "abundant, exalted, immeasurable, without hostility and without ill-will." The English word "equanimity" translates two separate Pali words used by the Buddha. Each represents a different aspect of equanimity. The most common Pali word translated as "equanimity" is upekkha, meaning "to look over." It refers to the equanimity that arises from the power of observation, the ability to see without being caught by what we see. When well-developed, such power gives rise to a great sense of peace. Upekkha can also refer to the ease that comes from seeing a bigger picture. Colloquially, in India the word was sometimes used to mean "to see with patience." We might understand this as "seeing with understanding." For example, when we know not to take offensive words personally, we are less likely to react to what was said. Instead, we remain at ease or equanimous. This form of equanimity is sometimes compared to grandmotherly love. The grandmother clearly loves her grandchildren but, thanks to her experience with her own children, is less likely to be caught up in the drama of her grandchildren's lives. The second word often translated as equanimity is tatramajjhattata, a compound made of simple Pali words. Tatra, meaning "there," sometimes refers to "all these things." Majjha means "middle," and tata means "to stand or to pose." Put together, the word becomes "to stand in the middle of all this." As a form of equanimity, "being in the middle" refers to balance, to remaining centered in the middle of whatever is happening. This balance comes from inner strength or stability. The strong presence of inner calm, well-being, confidence, vitality, or integrity can keep us upright, like a ballast keeps a ship upright in strong winds. As inner strength develops, equanimity follows. Equanimity is a protection from the "eight worldly winds": praise and blame, success and failure, pleasure and pain, fame and disrepute. Becoming attached to or excessively elated with success, praise, fame or pleasure can be a set-up for suffering when the winds of life change direction. For example, success can be wonderful, but if it leads to arrogance, we have more to lose in future challenges. Becoming personally invested in praise can tend toward conceit. Identifying with failure, we may feel incompetent or inadequate. Reacting to pain, we may become discouraged. If we understand or feel that our sense of inner well-being is independent of the eight winds, we are more likely to remain on an even keel in their midst. One approach to developing equanimity is to cultivate the qualities of mind that support it. Seven mental qualities support the development of equanimity. The first is virtue or integrity. When we live and act with integrity, we feel confident about our actions and words, which results in the equanimity of blamelessness. The ancient Buddhist texts speak of being able to go into any assembly of people and feel blameless. The second support for equanimity is the sense of assurance that comes from faith. While any kind of faith can provide equanimity, faith grounded in wisdom is especially powerful. The Pali word for faith, saddha, is also translated as conviction or confidence. If we have confidence, for example, in our ability to engage in a spiritual practice, then we are more likely to meet its challenges with equanimity. The third support is a well-developed mind. Much as we might develop physical strength, balance, and stability of the body in a gym, so too can we develop strength, balance and stability of the mind. This is done through practices that cultivate calm, concentration and mindfulness. When the mind is calm, we are less likely to be blown about by the worldly winds. The fourth support is a sense of well-being. We do not need to leave well-being to chance. In Buddhism, it is considered appropriate and helpful to cultivate and enhance our well-being. We often overlook the well-being that is easily available in daily life. Even taking time to enjoy one's tea or the sunset can be a training in well-being. The fifth support for equanimity is understanding or wisdom. Wisdom is an important factor in learning to have an accepting awareness, to be present for whatever is happening without the mind or heart contracting or resisting. Wisdom can teach us to separate people's actions from who they are. We can agree or disagree with their actions, but remain balanced in our relationship with them. We can also understand that our own thoughts and impulses are the result of impersonal conditions. By not taking them so personally, we are more likely to stay at ease with their arising. Another way wisdom supports equanimity is in understanding that people are responsible for their own decisions, which helps us to find equanimity in the face of other people's suffering. We can wish the best for them, but we avoid being buffeted by a false sense of responsibility for their well-being. One of the most powerful ways to use wisdom to facilitate equanimity is to be mindful of when equanimity is absent. Honest awareness of what makes us imbalanced helps us to learn how to find balance. The sixth support is insight, a deep seeing into the nature of things as they are. One of the primary insights is the nature of impermanence. In the deepest forms of this insight, we see that things change so quickly that we can't hold onto anything, and eventually the mind lets go of clinging. Letting go brings equanimity; the greater the letting go, the deeper the equanimity. The final support is freedom, which comes as we begin to let go of our reactive tendencies. We can get a taste of what this means by noticing areas in which we were once reactive but are no longer. For example, some issues that upset us when we were teenagers prompt no reaction at all now that we are adults. In Buddhist practice, we work to expand the range of life experiences in which we are free. These two forms of equanimity, the one that comes from the power of observation, and the one that comes from inner balance, come together in mindfulness practice. As mindfulness becomes stronger, so does our equanimity. We see with greater independence and freedom. And, at the same time, equanimity becomes an inner strength that keeps us balanced in middle of all that is. Peace to both of you mudra |
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Many words of wisdom and deep enlightment and tranquility of the soul.
We need also achive that and focus to our aim here, we start talked about. Really I wouldn't burn so hot, if I wouldn't be so interested in subject. So, from my side, I finish the argument with wolves here, because we can achieve nothing trough disarmony and imbalance, you are right. We need a wisdom a la grandma, love and knowledge and knowing that everything will end in a positive way. You know Mudra, if we were able to live like Anastasia, in operfect harmony with nature and God, if we wouldn't forget this connection of love, this survival, Radiant zones, would have been totally redundant, from the first place. All the best to you all! Quote:
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Thank you Artvision ,
You are a good man . I appreciate the good will you are showing. And I do feel the heartfelt passion that guides you on your path. I know TtC and Northern are working on some drafts and outlines too. When they are ready they will post it here as well. All you come up with is welcome . Keep up the good work ![]() Loving kindness mudra |
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Which of the fleas owns the dog? Which of the leaves owns the tree? If there can be such a thing as ownership, does not the grass have first claim to the land? Or cannot the trees make the same claims? The secret of possession is this, when you make a claim of possession.. that which is claimed to be the possession is not the possessed, that distinction lies with the owner.
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Since you wanted to link this thread with the proposition thread...I had a response...here it is
This is in answer to this statement: i agree with jonathon and judyknot, i myself am an indigo, not that makes much a difference, but many of you are judging him in a very defensive position. indigos are generally misunderstood. i don't care what age he is, it's the soul age that counts. Brook, shame on you, you're putting your own dirt out there. you are afraid and feel hurt so you lash out. i find his proposition refreshing. he's offering a solution and CREATING something positive. what are you doing brook? I was in meetings all day at work, then checked my email...full of "you need to sign on and see this"..so I did. After over 1500 posts to this forum, this is all I'm going to be remembered for? I would hope I would be remembered for threads like these... The gentle art of Blessing http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15327 Healing with Love http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=14431 Everything Moon http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=14739 Can we create a Miracle http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=14117 Who am I http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=13805 And for appreciation to the Mods out there There's no Place like home http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=13907 And all I'm going to be judged for is the stupid thread? This is what you are all going to remember me for? Well, to put some closure to where I stand, and the comments and judgement made about me ... I have always been a fighter for the injustice....and when I see something that I feel is wrong, I'm going to state my feelings....got that from my mother...bless her soul. Where this thread stands..I felt I saw something very wrong..and I still do. Here you have an Indigo boy who cannot speak for himself..at this point I still do not see one very important part that needs to be addressed.... Ttc...What is your vision of these communities you are building? Very simple.... Dolphin...you use the excuse that "Indigos are generally misunderstood. i don't care what age he is, it's the soul age that counts." certainly with all of that soul age ...he has learned to speak for himself, instead of having Mudra and a few others speak for him. And with that soul age he has learned some wisdom to be able to expel the doubt that is racing through the minds of many here. If not so be it.....but I will ask you all this..... Here is a 20 year old Indigo..with a vision at the age of 12, who has decided to build radient zones....and has personally told me about 4 days ago that he does not believe there will be a world catastrophe, and does not believe there is a NWO. With that in mind..I again ask the question...what is the vision here? Why build these communities?....and why is every body so intent on going to a radient zone...if for not that very purpose? If we are just starting communities for the purpose of Commune...then so be it...state that purpose...but I think that the reason George Green, Kerry Cassedy, And Bill Ryan have decided these things are relevant, are because of the impending possible need for them in case the SHTF....and for many I think this is a good idea....wow did I say that? Yes I did say that...It's a good idea. Imagine that. However...there is too much wrong here, and I will say it again... There is too much wrong here. I can only imagine things, like people investing their hard earned labor...the "less then fortunate"... developing all of this land, building all of these buildings, and shelters..only to have the land sold out from under them, and being told to move along...with a severance pay....Not the utopia I believe they had their dream pinned on...and certainly not what they would expect...but this is only one question I had that did not get satisfactorily answered. There are many other questions that did not get answered. These are the questions that I would advise anyone investing money into, or their blood sweat and tears into, before getting involved. That being said....about this thread....Dolphin...What dirty laundry are you speaking about? The only dirty laundry I have is in the hamper upstairs. If you are speaking about the PM's that ttc posted, and the mods asked me if I wanted removed, and said no, and he did not put the parts where he was being rather telling...well, here is what you are seeing... After being asked to check out this guy and his "proposition"...I applied..and I made it sound like I was well off but would leave it for Utopia. What you saw there was me fishing for information...plain and simple..looking for answers ...no dirty laundry there Dolphin. Not even a picture of what I am...just leading a horse to water is all. There are several other scenarios I can come up with that would fit this proposition, but I think you are all adults, and Indigo, enlightened Lightworkers or not...just take heed. As far as ttc goes...He sent me quite a nice message 4 days ago when he saw I was leaving....and left a quote from Aleister Crowley..."Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." not before telling me, "I doubt very much that there will be a global cataclysm or a NWO, but that is what people believe. I cannot create in someone else's reality." It was actually very SWEET...but left me with even more questions...again why build these radient zones if he does not believe that these things will come to pass? In your comment Dolphin..you say...I'm afraid and feeling hurt.....first of all, The only hurt I have had on this thread so far is from you...the judgement of me after all of the posts I have contributed to this forum and this is your judgement of me? Hurt from ttc...not...I can only bless him and hope he makes the right choices and follows a path, one that will teach him some of that "soul wisdom" you speak of, so he can actually treat people with some respect...and If you had read the thread...,I was not the only one who checked out his proposition and got a very bad vibe, and rude words. And I am not the only one that has questions.. I am the one that stood toe to toe with him though, and fought to get the truth...so is that the the fear you speak of? I do not fear ttc, I do not even fear death...I actually welcome it..I cannot wait to go home again...this 3D is great, and I cherish it very much, but I, who do not label my self anything other then human, have a knowing....a knowing that the real deal is out there, and this is only a small part of the whole. Do I want to go to radient zone.....No I am here for one purpose only...to create, and I feel I have a mission to be here when the SHTF, and I do believe it will, and be there for the ones that are in need. I will not go to a radient zone..I will stay and help all those I can...I will be there for the disabled, the blind, the mentally handicapped...because this is part of my mission..I have worked with all I speak, and even though that is not the the work I do at the present, this is my mission...to gently guide those in need to help them awaken. To be with the ones that are lost, and don't know about radient zones. I am not afraid to stand up to the darkness, and shine the light of truth. I am not afraid if the State of California goes in the ocean...because it is not a place I have not been before. I would gladly welcome the journey home, to start it all over again. To all of you who think this thread is all I have contributed...I'm truly sorry for that..but I have always stood up for what I thought was right. In this thread I said what I thought..forgive me if speaking my mind was something that you find unacceptable...but I will always do it, and continue to do it for the rest of my days is this 3D existence. With love and light I bid you Blessings. Last edited by BROOK; 07-25-2009 at 07:50 AM. |
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good reply lets ask ourselves why would someone Quote this man Aleister Crowley ? I`m sure it isn`t for his saintly Qualities
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Dears,
I'm new between you, a novice. Dears, look I started to read latest posts here and I thought my bookmark link is wrong, guiding to other thread, another thread different at all than what was at beginning. Then I looked in the upper page and I read: Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? These things from lately, have nothing to do with what we are suppose doing here, according with the title; sorry my debate going nowhere with WinterWolf, ![]() Let's try to burry the hatchet of war and try use that formidble energy not fighting each other, but constructing for each other. ![]() I WROTE THAT, NOT BECAUSE I PULING EARS SOMEBODY (far from me that thought, I'm not in that moderator position here and never liked that pulling ears of someone) BUT I FEEL RESPONSIBLE AFTER I CARRIED OUT THAT RECKLESS DEBATE. ... and one of the B's from my signature is making to me sneaky eye signs ... that B from Brains... __________________ SURVIVAL=5B's Belief, Brains ![]() Last edited by artvision; 07-25-2009 at 08:40 AM. |
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Good. Now we are inpatiently expecting the TtC and Northern Boy proposals and drafts, so we can analyze and compare all of the proposals given so far. If there are common elements, we could start to establish them as recommendation patterns, untill we get some whole possible structure of the RZ community.
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Bless you, Brook!
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![]() Thank you Oliver..and may your endevor of finding and building a radient zone serve you well.... It is of the opinion I do not believe that radient zones should be built...on the contrary....I just live in a world where I have seen people of good hearts, get burned very badly. If a radient zone is what you are seeking..may your journey be safe...and you follow the path of light and love. |
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Tried to paste document, but an error happened!
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Here is the suggested outline for the Radiant Zone Guide. Feel free to suggest more things, or to delete from that outline. I would kindly like when suggesting something, please specify where you want to add:.
Always say in reference to complete number. Example: Reference to 1.2.12 I do want to add: The signs for SHTF are:....."(just as an example how to refer to different paragraphs) Awaiting your feedbacks! Artvision ================================================== ========================================== RADIANT ZONE GUIDE INTRODUCTORY WORD Here is a guide outliner based on different books and documents read. This doc is desired to be just as an outliner, meaning a collection of important issues that should not be overlooked when someone decide to create a Radiant Zone, that is a place of relative safety when SHTF, in our volatile world we live in. What should be then of most value that a collection of proven be working advices, of how to organize and make that retreat without give too much thought when is pressure of world coming apart. Of course one can read things on internet, but when the time is pressing, you need put in pace a lot of things, systems, etc. With our collection at hand, we want to believe, you will find some pertinent answers. This document is hosted on the Avalon Forum, where the concept of Radiant Zones emerged, or at least started being documented. Our desire is all the people can read, comment and contribute to it. Thus, we need people with some experience in these related disciplines, covered here, to give us a feedback, offer information, or to correct issues. Everything is open to debates and the final goal will be, to create "The Radiant Zones Guide", such as a set of directory lines, if somebody will follow up, will be in a safe side when a major SHTF scenario will hit. We need to prune first this draft outliner, then we will flesh up each chapter and subchapter with information. Please, that everything you are stating, you must to offer the reason, or the rationale for that, just be convincing even for non seasoned people in that matters. Will be a difficult and painful job, but the outcome that is a helper for people in case of need, will be much worthing the effort, also I want to start our work with the words of God, which is recommendable to do in any initiative of ours: "Prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished. "[Proverbs 27:12] All the best! Artvision __________________ SURVIVAL=5B's Belief, Brains, Beans, Bullets, Band-Aids 1. RATIONALE ABOUT THE RADIANT ZONE 1.1 What Are Radiant Zones 1.1.1 Define the Radiant Zones 1.2 Questions about Radiant Zones 1.2.1 Intrinsic need for safety of humans is the base to start a Radiant Zone 1.2.2 Is the survival instinct good? But is moral? Is intrinsic coded in the genetics of every living beings. How can humans evolve from the basic existentialist desire and reach other forms? 1.2.3 We should think as: The concept of continuity of government, COG, survival of the fittest as Darwinist concept? 1.2.4 Or maybe, our survival idea is based on other mentalities rather than pure selfish instinct of survival as we see in government mentality, such Darwinist concepts 1.2.5 The world around us is on a verge of collapse-can we see that 1.2.6 Do we want be staying in affected places of SHTF and be susceptible to massive trauma even death, or we try escape? 1.2.7 Why do I need join with a bunch of other people? Isn't enough if I manage myself to escape for the first wave of the SHTF? Why should I listen and act also in benefit for the others? Why if the decision of other are endangering my personal security? 1.2.8 How we can avoid asking ourselves devastating questions such as above? 1.2.9 How the people you will be with! 1.2.10 Is worth the effort and resources consumption for make a safe Zone? 1.2.11 What if the SHTF never happening? 1.2.12 What are the signs showing a SHTF is approaching or just start to rollout? 1.3 Possible SHTF scenarios 1.3.1 Economic Crash, banks, currency, stock crash 1.3.2 Chemical attack or just damaging a nearby chemical plant 1.3.3 Nuclear threat 1.3.4 Dirty bomb terrorist threat 1.3.5 Devastating meteorological event: tornados, massive storms 1.3.6 Earthquakes 1.3.7 Massive land slides 1.3.8 Eruption of volcanos 1.3.9 Extended famine caused by excessive drought 1.3.10 EMP from sun or man produced 1.3.11 Take over of the government by the underground forces 1.3.12 Psychotronic attack of many important cities and towns of a nation 1.3.13 Chaos created by the imminent landing of ET 1.3.14 Total disruptment of our society by an alien attack 1.3.15 Devastating war 1.3.16 Devastating Pandemics such 1918 1.3.17 Release of biological agents such Staphylococcus aureus, or Necrotizing Fasciitis or a new type of plague of unknown origins, or maybe Bird Flu 1.3.18 Total disruption of International naval transport due to some marine extraterestrial attacking the vessels, leading to a profound lack of goods in many part of the globe 1.3.19 An extraordinary fast and massive cool down of some regions, leading to a total collapse of that region 1.3.20 A meteoritic impact followed by a shower of small meteorites, falling over a large surface of earth 1.3.21 The magnetic poles of Earth heavily shifted by the influence of a nearby passing of a celestial body 1.3.22 Utterly degradation of the human DNA, leading to massive epidemics of cancers and tumors, in a large part of population. Nobody know why, but is feared there is a new type of high energy particle weapon fired form Deep Space. 1.3.23 Destruction of a large surfaces of Terra, in the area heavily exposed to chemtrails where these chemtrails are filtering the light but letting UV passing trough, acting such a focal lens 1.3.24 Major disruption of our society because all the satellites and flying craft are shoot down by some unknown entities 1.3.25 Massive social revolts, riots and upheavals in relation with the current economic crisis, job cuts and overall deterioration of living standard. 1.4 Is worth for me, to engage in a Radiant Zone or not? 1.4.1 PRO's: 1.4.1.1 Possibility of saving your life and the family 1.4.1.2 Good way to met and become friend with like minded persons 1.4.1.3 Lots of things to learn, lots of skills to acquire 1.4.1.4 Living in the nature, with a more ecological prospect than living in city 1.4.2 CON's: 1.4.2.1 Cost, time and emotional implications 1.4.2.2 Maybe family member mock on me calling me a cuckoo! 1.4.2.3 Other can call us fear mongers or hysterics? 1.4.2.4 What if never arrive to the Radiant Zone After SHTF? 1.4.2.5 What if I'm not getting along with the rest of the members after a while when tensions increasing 1.4.2.6 What if governments ban such remote area retreats, on flimsy grounds? 1.5 PEOPLE - consolidating the GROUP 1.5.1 Startup-ers 1.5.2 Members Selection Criteria 1.5.2.1 Good Behaving 1.5.2.2 Similitude 1.5.2.2.1 Same Mindset 1.5.2.2.2 Same Wishes & Desires 1.5.2.2.3 Same religion (or at least non antagonistic!) 1.5.2.3 Skills: to be cover multitude important qualification 1.5.2.3.1 Doctors, Nurses, Dentists 1.5.2.3.2 Militars 1.5.2.3.3 Agriculture and cattle raising 1.5.2.3.4 Mechanics: auto, different issue 1.5.2.3.5 Electricians/Electronists 1.5.2.3.6 Carpenters 1.5.2.3.7 Blacksmits 1.5.2.3.8 Gunsmiths 1.5.2.3.9 IT 1.5.2.3.10 Logistics 1.5.2.3.11 Cooking 1.5.2.3.12 Preserving Foods 1.5.2.3.13 Educators, professors 1.5.2.4 What can that member offer 1.5.2.4.1 Skills 1.5.2.4.2 Knowledge 1.5.2.4.3 Stuff personally accumulated for survival can share 1.5.2.5 Voting in accepting new members 1.5.3 Sharing the responsibilities 1.5.3.1 According with training & skill 1.5.3.2 All should be aware that need to work together and no fuss about 1.5.3.3 All should learn military training, health exercises, bit of crafts, agriculture 1.5.4 People need meet periodically before start construct Radiating Zone, retreat etc 1.6 Searching a proper zone 1.6.1 Factor take i account when selecting a Radiant Zone 1.7 Starting Organizing a retreat 1.7.1 Establish Book of conduit 1.7.1.1 Democratic: 1 person=1 vote 1.7.1.2 example: Native Indians Code of Ethics 1.7.1.3 Amish People 1.7.2 Establish set of procedures: "what to do if, that or that happens" 1.7.3 Establish what scenarios will cover their retreat 1.7.4 Establish what will be their supplies, provisions of food, medical, fuels, etc 1.7.5 Establish their tools, weapons and ammunitions 1.7.5.1 Important rule: Interchangeability: not to many different types of same issue 1.7.5.1.1 By that, parts from one can be replaced to another, also storing a limited number of parts will increase the probability find something when need 1.7.5.1.2 AMMO calibers be easy swappable between guns, pistols, etc 1.7.6 Establish their systems of protection 1.7.7 Establish system of defense 1.7.8 Establish system of communication 2. TO BUG-OUT FROM YOUR HOUSE WHEN SHTF, OR JUST LIVE IN RETREAT, WELL IN ADVANCE? To Bug-Out from your home that is in the middle of the problem and try to make it hundreds or maybe thousands of KM to arrive in the retreat when the world started already to disintegrate, when roads are infested with non moving car because no gasoline, or just live comfortably to the retreat, in the Radiant ZONE already? It is an important decison! But if your life, responsibility are requesting you to live away from the retreat, at least you should keep the most of provisions of food, water, equipment, tools and medicines, at retreat already in the responsibility of a caretaker. Watch for the signs for the collapsing of society and bug-out immediately is possible. For doing safely that distance and arriving in one piece at the retreat, you should prepare the vehicle, with food, important documents, valuableas and defensive means. Try not take all house with you. As light go, more sure will arrive retreat after SHTF. All procedures in places, maps, etc should be prepared in time. 2.1 Dilemma Bug-Out or permanently live in retreat 2.1.1 Bug-out when SHTF 2.1.1.1 Will be Dangerous 2.1.1.2 Difficult to arive to Radiant Zone 2.1.2 Live already in the retreat 2.1.2.1 Seems better option 2.1.2.2 Maybe boring 2.1.2.3 Will get used with the people and accumulate needed skills 2.2 Store stuff in advance in retreat 2.2.1 Because when SHTF limited amounts can be transported 2.2.2 All the food, medicines and hardware should already be stored in RZ 2.2.3 Mostly heavy gear, food provisions, grains 2.2.4 This leads to problems if non live in retreat who will rotate all that food 2.2.5 Better there is already a family or two, look after the retreat, all time 2.3 For Bug-Out well prepared in advance 2.3.1 Watch carefully after signs SHTF is about start; share info within your circle 2.3.1.1 Watch the financial news regularly; Stock composed indices 2.3.1.2 Keep informed from internet 2.3.1.3 Listen in Short waves other countries / continents radio broadcastings 2.3.1.4 Watch any strange movements of people, troops or other changes in the city 2.3.1.5 Keep scnning the frequencies of Police, Firefighters, Hospitals Ambulance System, Sherrif, truck driver communications: everything locally on radio communication in clear 2.3.1.6 Keep a listening on HAM bands, maybe make announcement of perils, etc 2.3.1.7 Watch the sky and any abnormalities 2.3.1.8 Watch carefully of the Meteorological Bulletins for Tornados, Huge Storms 2.3.2 Bug-Out Vehicle 2.3.2.1 Always in pristine technical condition 2.3.2.2 Always with full tank 2.3.2.3 Keep always fuel in canister to cover 3 times distance fto retreat 2.3.2.4 Vehicle should have a survival kit all the time, itself! 2.3.2.5 Most possible to break parts should have been stored in vehicle 2.3.2.6 An diversified tool kits for vehicle 2.3.2.7 Vehicle Technical repair manual 2.3.3 Bug-Out Kit 2.3.3.1 Most important: Maps with all counties in between to retreat-use of communal roads only; be marked on the maps, then maps be plastified after markings 2.3.3.2 Most valuable jewelery 2.3.3.3 Food&Water for all travellers, 3 x times more days than trip to retreat 2.3.3.4 Laptop with all scanned documents and contact list, guides, etc 2.3.3.5 Memory stick with all documents as a backup copy or laptop lost/damage 2.3.3.6 Communication system between members or between cars-talkie walkie 2.3.3.7 Weapons for self protect during travel 2.3.3.8 Diversified Medical kit; do not forget take prescripts meds for chronic 2.3.3.9 Cash: small bills, different currencies, maybe silver/gold coins 2.3.3.10 Credit/debit cards: always use it first if still work, before resort to cash 2.3.3.11 Most Important documents (besides it scanned) 2.3.3.11.1 Printed list with contacts of all relatives, friends, etc 2.3.3.11.2 ID's 2.3.3.11.3 Passports 2.3.3.11.4 Certificates: Birth, Marriage, Deceased, etc 2.3.3.11.5 Contracts: Insurance, etc 2.3.3.11.6 Deeds: Property, land 2.3.3.11.7 Tax related documents (even maybe never needed, never knows) 2.3.4 Keep in touch with all your supporters, relatives, friends 2.3.4.1 Use Phone, Mail for exchanging info during first phases of SHTF 2.3.4.2 When usual comm net are down, use CB/HAM radios 2.3.4.3 When not possible use people going there as messengers 2.4 Procedure should be in place for everything, all should be known and reherased in advance. When SHTF we should work like swiss clock! 2.4.1 Procedures for evacuating house in maxim 1 hour 2.4.2 Procedures to assure and stop before leaving all utilities, gas, electric 3. ORGANIZING RETREAT Is one of most demanding jobs. Do not ever forget: "We are creating in the Radiant Zone, a mini-society!" Expect all the tares from the existing one, to manifest also in the small one. But with some sweeteners! We will join it by good will and we will be surrounded with people with same mentalities, we have been chosen ourselves! Will be based on the democratic approach, between people with same ideas, mentalities and mindset (otherwise we wouldn't form that community, in the first place) therefore responsible and well wishing people. When there is time to debate and there are to decide things will affect everybody, then the voting approach will be chosen. When there is a life/death situation, when there is important the decision taken in an instant, then is the community leader call, to take that decision. Therefore that lader, is very important and should be designated by voting, by the memebers, one of the most trusted, skillful and cold head available from that Radiant Zone group. Not only leader, but also the new members should be apporved or disapproved by older members For this activity, someone should keep a log (most probable the, Logistics responsible), where be written down the resolutions made along with most important moments for the community (births, marriages, deaths). 3.1 Voting System - Decision for important matters 3.1.1 Will be used for all important matters 3.1.2 Democratic - 1 person = 1 vote 3.1.3 Election for community leader 3.2 Scheduling Community Life 3.2.1 Tasks 3.2.2 Chores 3.2.3 Day & Night Watch Shifts 3.2.4 Classes 3.2.5 Training 3.3 Religious life for different confessions from group 3.4 Keep Good Morale 3.4.1 Activities as Morale booster 3.4.1.1 Birthdays 3.4.1.2 Religious day celebrations 3.4.1.3 Country day celebration for different ethnics in group 3.5 Day to day Decision taking 3.5.1 Minor Issues 3.5.2 Fast response issues 3.5.3 Life/Death threats and situation need leader assuming responsability 3.6 Delegation of Activities responsible Persons 3.6.1 Job Description 3.6.1.1 Definition of Activity Description & Task Incurred 3.6.1.2 What to do, what responsibilities they have 3.6.2 Logistics responsible - The STOREKEEPER 3.6.2.1 General caretaker for retreat & Storage Facilities 3.6.2.2 Keep a detail Material Log Book registery: what we have, what required, what need to produce, gather, barter, etc 3.6.2.3 He must be able raise alerts when stocks of most important items close to finish 3.6.2.4 At all time he need tell group what is the status for Beans, Bullets and Band-Aids, generally speaking 3.6.3 Security & Defense officer - GI Joe 3.6.3.1 Must be experienced and military trained 3.6.3.2 He must organize the security: of retreat, perimeter and patrolling neighborhoods 3.6.3.3 He must to decide and inform group about possibility of group face and defeat the threat, or asses threat so major that group need abandon 3.6.3.4 He must organize and lead the military training 3.6.4 Health responsible - DOC 3.6.4.1 An doctor or at least a nurse or para medic 3.6.4.2 Should be able satisfactory handle the health problems of the group, child-birth, injuries, poisoning, other accidents 3.6.4.3 Should be able to manage with scarce resource 3.6.4.4 Would be desirable to lean towards traditional medicine (medicine expire or end stock) 3.6.5 Intelligence officer - INTEL GUY 3.6.5.1 His job will be to collect information gathered from communication systems (radio, scanners, following broadcasting), information from patrolling, etc. He make a report of outstanding situation that can lead to a threatening situation for retreat. He is collaborating with security and community leader in finding a solution. 3.6.5.2 All the events from patrolling and different observation from watch shifts, etc will be reported to him. If need immediate reaction, together with security responsible and community leader will decide 3.6.5.3 What the group intelligence try to find? Everything: news from the far world, what did the next rural neighbor happened with his cattle, everything, because everything can lead to threats to the community 3.6.5.4 He must be an bright person, with curiosity, capacity of listening others and extract relevant informations 3.6.6 Agribusiness responsible - FATHER OF THE LAND 3.6.6.1 The person should have been lived at country side for a while, he/she must know the wheelings and dealings of farming, cattle arising 3.6.6.2 He must be able to asses what the group can seed, how much, where and when to seed and when harvest 3.6.6.3 Must have a good knowhow of handling with animal problems 3.6.7 Systems responsible - HANDY MAN 3.6.7.1 Everything that is running in the retreat must kept so. 3.6.7.2 Whatever parts, materials needed he must know to handle or where or who to ask. 3.6.7.3 The perfect handyman 3.6.7.4 A broken toilet, a running sink? No problem, because he will fix 3.6.8 Cooking Responsible - CHEF 3.6.8.1 What people need most after water shelter is food. Good, tasty and with right amount of calories, vitamins, and minerals. Chef, must gracefully must handle that, without too many complains nor intoxications! 3.6.8.2 Must have hands on cooking, also cooking in prmitive condition, mostly with stocked ingredients. Chef must know to combine the dried tasteless stock food, with something fres, to assure the vitamin and minerals for the group 3.6.8.3 Some old 1900 cooking book, a wooden stove which manage in the end to control, would be a start! 3.6.8.4 Also to get a kiss or a hug, at least a cheerful appreciation for tasty food put on the table 3.6.9 Crafts Expert - Master Craftsman 3.6.9.1 Would be advisable have a responsible for knowing many crafts, because many things, including clothing, must be produced by the group 3.6.9.2 The wood carving, making of baskets, etc 3.6.9.3 Leather crafts, for making some clothing, shoes, or moccasins at least? 3.6.9.4 Making ropes and vegetal lashes and ties from surrounding dogbane and similar plants 4. SHELTER One of the most vital thing for human existence! People along with their family member and their possesions should be protected Very important also the construction of the retreat, utilities, area designation, technologies of construction that will be maintained and assured also after the SHTF 4.1 Building Issues 4.1.1 Legalities 4.1.2 Architecture Solutions 4.1.2.1 Constructing Solutions 4.1.2.1.1 Dome 4.1.2.1.2 Normal House 4.1.2.1.3 Group of many Houses 4.1.2.1.4 Condo 4.1.2.2 How the spaces are utilized 4.1.2.2.1 Provisions Storage 4.1.2.2.2 Places for rest 4.1.2.2.3 Bedrooms 4.1.2.2.4 Baths 4.1.2.2.5 Common activity places 4.1.2.2.6 Dedicated activity Places 4.1.2.2.6.1 Clasroom 4.1.2.2.6.2 Radio Equipment Room 4.1.2.2.6.3 Temporary Storage room 4.1.2.2.6.4 Cooking places 4.1.3 Materials to be used 4.1.3.1 Depending on the type of threats RZ should face 4.1.3.2 Ecological - Health 4.1.3.3 Smooth blending with the RZ environment 4.1.3.4 Very Durable 4.1.3.5 No health hazards (asbestos, lead, etc) 4.1.4 Installations 4.1.4.1 Antennas 4.1.4.1.1 Satellite Dish 4.1.4.1.2 Radio & TV antennas 4.1.4.1.3 HAM Radio special antennas 4.1.4.1.4 CB - large coverage antena 4.1.4.2 Electric nstallations 4.1.4.2.1 lighting 4.1.4.2.2 Pumping 4.1.4.2.3 Electric part for heaters, boilers 4.1.4.3 Heating 4.1.4.4 Air filtering and conditioning 4.1.4.4.1 special attention when Anti-Nuclear Bunkers 4.1.4.4.2 try use natural systems, flow of air, but take care put stoppers which could stop everything in case Bio, Nuclear or Chemical attack) 4.1.4.5 Water distribution 4.1.4.6 Wasted installation, toilets, etc 4.1.4.6.1 Better search solution more ecologic, such composting toilets, etc 4.2 Wastewater treatment 4.2.1 Biodegradation - Bacterial means 4.2.2 Filtration 4.3 Garbage disposal: as much as ecological possible-not much place dump garbage! 4.3.1 Procedure and Codes for Garbage consideration: Throw away NOTHING! Everything must be used, repaired as much as possible and used again! No consummatorism encouraged waste! 4.3.2 Handling residues from human wastes 4.3.3 Handling residues from cooking, food preparing and conserving 4.3.4 Handling residues from other activities 4.3.5 Handling Hygienic and Epidemic risk garbage - PROCEDURE's & sollutions 4.4 Annexes 4.4.1 Sheds 4.4.2 Barns 4.4.3 garages 4.4.4 Technical Rooms 4.4.5 Workshops 4.4.6 Storage Tanks 4.4.6.1 Liquid Fuels 4.4.6.2 Gas Fuels 4.5 Security of the Radiant zone from construction phase 4.5.1 Access in-buidling assured: strong doors, walls, windows 4.5.2 Plan location for Observation Post for Sentries and Sentinel - During Day Time 4.5.3 Plan location for Listening Post for sentriesand Sentinel - During Night Time 4.5.4 Plan location for eventual Spider Holes, moats, trenches, covers 4.5.5 Take seriously Camouflage precautions 4.5.5.1 Avoid unnatural configuration, or things can attract "unwanted" attention 4.5.5.1.1 Previous experience show that is not good attract attention by barbwire, high masonry castle fences, etc. Do not look like an army retreat or something. Because for sure, there are forces out there, anytime can defeat any security systems you may have in place. The idea is those forces not be attracted by that retreat, in the first place 4.5.5.1.2 The retreat should not look like a fort! 4.5.5.1.3 The retreat should be outside of visual sight from regular roads 4.5.5.1.4 First circle of defense should be natural without rise suspicions (dense wood, rocks, etc) 4.5.5.2 From Air 4.5.5.2.1 Avoid vehicle tyre marks, on different places than the normal roads or alleys 4.5.5.2.2 Try to use the existing day shadow, casted by neighbor bodies, such trees, building, etc 4.5.5.2.3 Avoid leaving imprinted tracks of vehicles in the grass, or on exposed soft soil, use the pathways already there or walk through minor creek beds, etc 4.5.5.2.4 Learn to use the camouflage in night and at crepuscule 4.5.5.3 From road 4.5.5.4 Always try to have some part or side of the retreat covered by a natural hard be defetead natural obstacle 4.5.6 Special consideration should granted to places where are passing cables, pipes, disposal facilities, fuel tanks, risk of fire 4.5.7 Special assessment of the surrounding threats, such wildfires, floods risk, heavy storms, mud or water sliding, falling rocks, dams cracking and breaking, vicinity of volcanoes, avoid costal area by at least of 200 Km, avoid earthquakes high risk area, extremely dangerous animals, avoid closest garrisons, penitentiary, hospitals (put many tenths of km between you and such things) 4.6 Water drainage system around Radiant Zone 4.6.1 Rain Water 4.6.2 Infiltration Water 4.6.3 very well design drainage system taking in consideration violent floods, rains, etc 5. WATER We cannot live and function without water. A proper influx of quality water should be provided and maintained even in the worst case scenarios. These preparation should be thinking about and taken very good care. 5.1 Water Collecting 5.1.1 Springs, creeks 5.1.2 Wells 5.1.3 Rain water collectors 5.1.4 Transport with pipe or by recipients from surrounding area 5.1.5 Pools, basin, ponds (bathing, irrigation, for fire quelling 5.2 Water Storage 5.2.1 Medium Term considerations and amenities 5.2.2 Special consideration for Cooking & Drinking 5.2.3 Water for washing people, tools and clothes 5.2.4 Water for irrigations 5.3 Purification 5.3.1 Fixed facilities 5.3.1.1 Filtering - Separate the particles and some microorganisms (not safe drink) 5.3.1.2 Distilling - Is good to use for chemical poisoned waters (not for oils, toxic volatile agents; this stays good only for toxic or pollutants salts dissolved in water but not driven by water vapors into the condenser) 5.3.1.3 Biological safety (notchemical) 5.3.1.3.1 Chlorine, Bleach, Mineral Miracle Supplement 5.3.1.3.2 Iodine 5.3.1.3.3 Exposure of water to strong sun in transparent recipients - take care some plastics are emanating toxic substances into water, at higher pace when in sun 5.3.2 On the move, bushcraft purifying (case of Bug-Out, etc) 5.3.2.1 Ceramic water filters 5.3.2.2 Chlorine or Iodine disinfecting Pills 6. FOOD One of the most important aspect of our life. Without food we will starve, then we will die. A horrible and agonizing death. To prevent that, we should make provisions, must store, but we should think also in the distant perspective when our stock will finish and we cannot replenish from the SUPERMARKET! Therefore we must ensue, that we have the means and skills to provide to our group, fresh food. As the food providing is sesonal we also must have the skills, to preserve gathered food on auspicious times In scarcity condition, for which we are heading towards, it is of utmost importance assure the minimum amount of calories, minerals, micro and macro nutrients, vitamines and essential aminoacids, needed for a healthy and good functioning of the body! Did I mention that someone cannot eat stored food for ever? That after a few months of eating only stored food, sores are developing in mouth and on the skin? That we need fresh herbs, vegetabless and fruits, from time to time to supplement the good caloric boost from stock food (grains, beans, cans, etc)? Thus we need the resources, skills and know-how to provide this fresh food to our community. 6.1 Cooking 6.1.1 Cooking Recipes 6.1.2 Methods of cooking 6.1.3 Oven 6.1.3.1 Dutch Oven 6.1.3.2 Bread Oven 6.1.3.3 Solar Oven 6.1.4 Stove 6.1.4.1 Liquid Fuel Stove 6.1.4.2 Wooden Stove 6.1.4.3 Gas 6.1.4.4 Camping Stove 6.1.5 Grills 6.1.5.1 Charcoals 6.1.5.2 Liquid Fuel 6.1.6 Utensils 6.1.6.1 Cutlery 6.1.6.2 Pots 6.1.6.3 Dish Cloths & Dish Towels, different cloths needed in kitchen or cheese cloth, etc 6.1.6.4 Kitchen Hand Tools (may be lack of electricity!) 6.1.6.4.1 Mincers 6.1.6.4.2 Grain Mill (for your tones of grains-that store better than flour) 6.1.6.4.3 Graters 6.1.6.4.4 Sieves 6.2 Storage 6.2.1 Mid term 1-2 years 6.2.1.1 Honey 6.2.1.2 Oil&Fats 6.2.1.3 Pasta 6.2.1.4 Spices & Prservatives 6.2.1.5 Flour 6.2.1.6 Sweets 6.2.1.7 Rice 6.2.1.8 Pickles 6.2.1.9 Dehydrated legumes and fruits 6.2.1.10 Gems, Marmalades 6.2.1.11 Powder Milk, Condensed Milk Cans, Butter cans 6.2.1.12 Bicuits, Danish Cookies 6.2.2 Long Term > 2 years 6.2.2.1 Meals Ready To Eat (MRE) 6.2.2.2 Cans 6.2.2.3 Beans, Grains 6.3 Preservation Methods 6.3.1 Drying 6.3.2 Salting 6.3.3 Smoking 6.3.4 Canning 6.3.5 Pickling 6.3.6 Marmalade, Jams 6.4 Gathering Fresh Food 6.4.1 Sprouting from beans and grains 6.4.2 Gathering Wild Edibles: fruits, roots, herbs, wild vegetables, berries, chestnuts, nuts, hazelnuts, ACCORN, sweet wood worms, locusts 6.4.3 Hunting, trapping 6.4.4 Fishing 6.5 Farming 6.5.1 Animal Breeding and raising 6.5.1.1 Cattle raising 6.5.1.2 Beekeeping Apiculture - Honey, Wax, Propolis, bee royal jelly, polen 6.5.1.3 Aquaculture 6.5.1.4 Birds, chickens & hens, geese, ducks 6.5.1.5 Small Mammals (rabbits, Guinea pigs) 6.5.2 Agriculture 6.5.2.1 Knowledge & Experience 6.5.2.2 Seeds 6.5.2.3 Land (prepared) 6.5.2.4 Greenhouse 6.5.2.5 Orchard 6.5.2.6 Aquaponics - Hydroponics 6.5.2.7 Tools 6.5.2.7.1 Hand tools: Gardening, plowing, digging 6.5.2.7.2 Tractor plus motortools 6.5.2.7.3 Animal plough, etc 6.5.2.8 Fertiliser 6.5.2.8.1 Natural composted 6.5.2.8.2 Chemical 7. SECURITY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS, after food, water and shelter. Even is a chore, permanent watch routines, keeping sentries alert to any movement, organising patrols and put in place a system of early alarming of anything might approach to our retreat, is of collosal importance. As well as good weaponry skills and fighting tehniques, should be learned by al able members. That, along with the well handling of the COMMUNICATION means, in order to transmit intelligence data or wake up alarms. Did I said we need procedures we must know what to do, even someone just wake in the middle of the night? Did I miss saying that this should become as a second nature, to know what to do if this and that happens? Do you remeber the lessons from human biology about IMMUNITARY SYSTEM from school? That, of defending the whole body? And it never sleeps, that immunitary systems, because when will happen somethng wrong with it, our body get sick and we die. 7.1 Procedure for assuring the security 7.2 Daytime, Nocturnal Watch, 6 h, or 8h, constant watch 7.2.1 Very Important for the safety of the group 7.2.2 All able should partake watch and training and patrols 7.2.3 All must be instructed of using COMM devices (talkie-walkie, wire phones, light and visual signalizing) respecting radio silence when required 7.2.4 All must to know to use many alarming systems and panic alarms in case something happens outside retreat 7.3 Security of retreat 7.3.1 Sentries POSTS watching retreat and immediate surroundings 7.3.1.1 OBSERVATION POST (day) 7.3.1.2 LISTENING POST (night) 7.3.2 Perimeter assured security 7.3.2.1 Natural obstacles (woods, bushes, stones) 7.3.2.2 Fences 7.3.2.3 Moats 7.3.2.4 Trenches 7.3.2.5 Traps, etc 7.3.3 Alarming Systems 7.3.3.1 Systems be triggered by sentries to inform the inside group threat is coming (Beside ther usualy COMM use (takie-Walkie+Wire Phone) 7.3.3.1.1 All Observation/Listening and sentries post have panic alarm buttons wired inside retreat to small wall alarms; so if sudden attack they push these buttons 7.3.3.1.2 In case of redundancy there are air horn alarms in every post 7.3.3.2 Autonomous Electronic Systems 7.3.3.3 Mechanical Systems (for ex. wires pull flares, or sound bells) 7.3.3.4 Dogs, geese, etc 7.4 Security of Neighborhood 7.4.1 Patrolling 7.4.2 Joining with other retreats or neighbor community in stopping a common enemy 7.5 Weaponry 7.5.1 Combat Weapons 7.5.1.1 NON fire weapons 7.5.1.2 Fire Weapons 7.5.2 Utilitary Weapons 7.5.2.1 Hunting 7.5.2.2 Varmints and pest control 7.5.3 Everybody should be train in the weapon usage and advance in specific likened weapon 8. HEALTH Supposed to assure an overal good health state among the group members. What should be more emphasing that for the long run, the natural panaceea provided by nature should be used. Natural remedies, teas, etc should be preferred of those expiring medicines from the stock. Be informed that some medicines, just loosing the healing power over the body when expired, while other turn in toxic substances, making more harm than good. The actual medicines have a few years expiry date! Some of them became dangerous after expiring date! We highly need amongst us, people with medical, nursing and dentist skills. Some training course in paramedics or survival medicine would be a skill appreciated everywhere, so worth make the effort and do such a training! 8.1 Stock of Medicines 8.1.1 Medicines 8.1.1.1 Antibiotics 8.1.1.2 Antiviral 8.1.1.3 Anti-inflammatory 8.1.1.4 Diuretics 8.1.1.5 Dehydration salts 8.1.1.6 Antihistaminics 8.1.1.7 Fever relieving 8.1.1.8 Anti vomiting & vomiting inducers (poisonings) 8.1.1.9 Antidiarrhea 8.1.1.10 Antiparasitary 8.1.1.11 Anesthetics 8.1.1.12 Vitamins, Minerals, Micronutrients, Omega 3(fish oil) 8.1.1.13 Ginseng, etc 8.1.1.14 Anti infections - throat, lungs, urinary 8.1.1.15 Antimycotics, antifungic, antibacterial 8.1.1.16 Dental disinfectant (clove oil) 8.1.1.17 Dental anesthetics 8.1.1.18 Prescription drugs for different ailments (heart, diabetes, etc) 8.1.2 Chemical substances used in treatments 8.1.2.1 Insects repellents 8.1.2.2 Iodine 8.1.2.3 Alcohol 8.1.2.4 Tincture of Benzoin (for better sticking band-aids) 8.1.2.5 Perfusion liquids 8.1.3 Bandages, band-aids, Hemostatic gelatin sponge 8.2 Knowledgeable people 8.2.1 Doctors 8.2.2 Nurses 8.2.3 Dentists 8.3 Child-birthing 8.4 Instruments and tools 8.4.1 Syringes, needles, surgical blades, tweezers, clamp scissors, scissors, etc 8.4.2 For treatment of wounds 8.4.3 Surgery 8.4.4 Dental handling 8.4.5 Means of transport for injured members 8.5 Traditional Healing Consideration 8.5.1 Medical Plants 8.5.1.1 recognize them - Books, Illustrated cards 8.5.1.2 Know what and when to harvest the plants 8.5.1.3 How to process 8.5.1.4 How to Storage 8.5.1.5 How to administrate to the ill 8.5.1.6 Know how can plant yourself by stored seeds 8.5.2 Will be of utmost vital importation after the modern medicines, antibiotics, aspirins are gone, or expired 8.5.2.1 Know how make Home make penicillin 8.5.2.2 Know that the the tea of dried and minced willow bark tree (salix Alba) it containSALICIN, acting as aspirin 8.5.3 Different substances in house for treating illnesses (vinegar, Olive oil, Rosemarie etheric oils, etc) 8.6 Health exercises 8.6.1 Qi Gong 8.6.2 Tai Chi 8.6.3 Pilates 8.6.4 Yoga 8.6.5 Workout routines 9. COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS - COMM One of the most important feature is that of connection with outside world, with keeping in touch between different subgroups or activities. Imagine yourself in a remote area, without any information about what's happened? After months and months, living with the same people, you may ask yourself what was happening? You long to know some piece of information. So, here is coming into help this discipline helping us also to keep us in contact and to collect INTELLIGENCE data, which after dissemination and thoroughly analyze will be the base for , some tough decision to be made! By existing or not these intel data, our life is at stake. The connection with the large world will be made by HAM radio, either CW Morse code, RTTY, serial data transmission with Fidonet, or voice with other Radiant zones. Codification and cryptografic procedures should be put in place. Radio silence procedures should be in place, when required by tactical situation. 9.1 COMM Procedures 9.1.1 Radio Silence Procedure 9.1.2 Codes and Cryptographic Message encoding/decoding 9.1.3 Intelligence gathering, analyzing and reporting Procedures 9.1.3.1 Direct Human Observation 9.1.3.1.1 Sky watching for flights, aircrafts, choppers hovering, other worrisome PHENOMENA 9.1.3.1.2 Observing movements 9.1.3.1.2.1 Normal, regular people (maybe they are in the know of something) 9.1.3.1.2.2 Military or para military troops 9.1.3.1.2.3 Vehicles, especially odd and unusual from the common 9.1.3.1.3 Any changing in environment without explanation 9.1.3.2 Radio Scanner - Duty, Private Non encrypted Channels 9.1.3.2.1 Police, Sheriff agents 9.1.3.2.2 Army agents 9.1.3.2.3 Governmental agencies 9.1.3.2.4 Hospital ambulances communication 9.1.3.2.5 Truckers bands 9.1.3.3 Public Broadcasting 9.1.3.4 Radio-amateurs Radio Communications - HAM Radio 9.1.3.5 From other neighboring people 9.1.3.5.1 Neighbor communities 9.1.3.5.2 From Patrolling trips 9.1.3.5.3 Rumors, etc 9.2 Inside Radiant Zone Communications 9.2.1 By loud voice 9.2.2 By signs visible with eyes 9.2.2.1 Singns - Daytime 9.2.2.2 Light codes - Night time 9.2.3 Wireline phone 9.2.3.1 Old 2 wire old phone between different building blocks and activity places 9.2.3.2 Between Sentries from Observation and Watching Post 9.2.4 Intercoms 9.2.4.1 Bads: simplex and contain electronics (EMP risk) better with Old 2 wire line phone 9.2.5 Two-way radio - Simplex (one speaks at a time, the other listens) 9.2.5.1 Different standards 9.2.5.1.1 Check Legalities for that area 9.2.5.1.2 Different tactics need different powers and coverages 9.2.5.1.2.1 Most of time desired range as max as possible 9.2.5.1.2.2 Sometime is best to reduce to minimum the range, just avoid be "listened" 9.2.5.1.3 CB Radio 27 MHz 9.2.5.1.3.1 FQ: 27 Mhz, 9.2.5.1.3.2 long range: tenths of KM 9.2.5.1.3.3 When Patrolling, between patrols and Radiant Zone 9.2.5.1.3.4 Between Radiant Zone and other citizens, neighbor communities 9.2.5.1.4 Talkie Walkie 9.2.5.1.4.1 PMR446 system -EUROPE; short distance max 0.5 W, range: 0.8 - 3 Km, 9.2.5.1.4.2 FRS & GMRS - Licensed in US (460 MHz), max 5W, range: up to 45 Km 9.2.5.1.4.3 MURS- Business COM, but OK personal (150 Mhz), Max 2W, range 0.8 -3 Km 9.2.5.2 Short Distances - Tactical and Utilitary 9.2.5.2.1 Observation Post - Buildings (redundancy) 9.2.5.2.2 Between different members scattered on the Radiant Zone area 9.2.5.2.3 During Patrolling 9.2.5.2.4 During Bug-Out Operations 9.2.5.2.5 During low level combat operations (when no need respect RADIO SILENCE) 9.3 Communications between Radiant Zone and outer world 9.3.1 Ham Radio - Radio Amateur radio - Using this information channel we can transmit 9.3.1.1 RTTY 9.3.1.2 Serial data transmissions to other Radio-Amateur 9.3.1.3 To PPP computee network such Fidonet 9.3.2 By letters carried by messengers, if the road were opened and some security is in place 9.3.3 Some can think use even messenger pigeons 9.4 Intelligence Data collection - INTEL 9.4.1 INTEL Information Gathering 9.4.2 INTEL Information Analysing & Reporting 9.4.2.1 The outcome is Information on which the Group will react to the threats 10. ENERGY Nothing works without energy! Therefore this feature should be thoroughly given attention. We should cover each and every scenario and energy should be assured. The most important for long term will be wood, some fuel for light and electric energy. Research in radiant energy should provide us with FREE ENERGY. The research internationaly is quelled down by TPTB, because affecting their demographic policies. 10.1 Thermal Energy 10.1.1 Liquid Fuels 10.1.1.1 Diesel 10.1.1.2 Gasoline + Preservers 10.1.1.3 Kerosene 10.1.1.4 Motor Oils 10.1.2 Solid Fuels 10.1.2.1 Wood 10.1.2.2 Coals 10.1.3 Gas Fuels 10.1.3.1 Biogas - recuperable from decomposing organic matter - way of recycle 10.1.3.2 Butane, propane gas 10.2 Electric Energy 10.2.1 Solar 10.2.2 Wind 10.2.3 Water fall 10.2.4 Batteries 10.2.5 Accumulators for storage 10.3 Tesla Radiant Energy or OVERUNITY ENERGY 10.3.1 Lutec Electricity Amplifier 10.3.2 Thomas Henry Moray rectifiers 11. SANITATION Do not underestimate the cleaning, disinfection and pest control which may spread nasty disease. Periodical cleaning, disinfection, limecoating will be in place. More importance should be given to the food storage area, food processing are and kitchen where food is prepared. After floods or some nasty disease outbreaks, good and thoroughly sanitation must be put in place! The rodents, pests, dead and rotting corpses around our retreat are source of disease and pandemics. We must keep a clean and safe environment around us. 11.1 Periodic cleaning 11.1.1 Buildings 11.1.2 Storage facilities 11.1.3 Clothes 11.2 Pest control 11.2.1 Ferals 11.2.2 Rodents 11.2.3 Termites 11.2.4 Roaches 11.2.5 Grain Pests 11.3 Disinfection 11.3.1 Periodically 11.3.2 After Floods 11.3.3 After epidemics 11.4 Lime coating (powerful and cheap disinfectant; also look nice and clean) 12.TRANSPORT Transport will be used for: People when moving far from retreat, patrolling, etc When bringing to retreat different stuff, such cutted wood, harvested crops, etc 12.1 Vehicles 12.1.1 Fuel consideration 12.1.1.1 Short time: 1 year gasoline 12.1.1.2 2 years: gasoline with preservative 12.1.1.3 More than 3 years: Diesel 12.1.1.4 Methanol 12.1.2 Cars 12.1.3 Tractors 12.1.4 Carts 12.1.5 Wheelbarrows 12.1.6 Carriage 12.1.7 Traction/transport animals 12.1.7.1 Horses 12.1.7.2 Donkeys 12.1.7.3 Buffalos 12.2 Transport Recipients 12.2.1 Bushels 12.2.2 Buckets 12.2.3 Sacks 12.2.4 Drums 12.3 Accessories 12.3.1 Ropes 12.3.2 Ties 12.3.3 Textile cloths 12.3.4 Chains 12.3.5 Bungee elastic cords 13.TRAINING Cannot highlight enough the importance of training! Most important of all, the military training, because most of folks, never had this training Why military? Because in the ****ty times ahead we expect, always some peoples will think that is easy to prey on other peoples which they prepared in advance. These people will think that is OK to take by force what they want. Our mission is to prove them they are wrong. Not only that, but also different government folks or agencies might have some plans for us, without asking our approval, How we can face them with a bunch of untrained people? You guess how; we train them! As any of the skills, the weapons handling and military skills, must be practiced a lot. Even we discussing fire arms, or bow and arrows, or just a simply catapulte... Everything need knowledge and practice. 13.1 Military Procedures 13.1.1 Defense 13.1.2 Patrolling 13.1.3 Weapon Handling 13.1.4 Hand to hand combat 13.2 Health Exercises 14.LEARNING The process of knowledge transfer of humans, besides the survival power per se, is assuring knowledge is passed from one member to another. What if the only doctor gets sick? Or what if the military instructor gets badly injured? We need to diseminate information of all sorts, between members and creating skill redundancy people! This is very important for children the community ! Also, very important for rest of the members, to keep their minds wheels, always in motion! 14.1 Learning Methods 14.2 Classes of 14.2.1 Farm land living 14.2.2 cooking 14.2.3 food preserving 14.2.4 Wild edible recognize classes 14.2.5 Crafts 14.2.6 Foreign Languages 14.2.7 History 14.2.8 Socio-Politics 14.2.9 Science 14.2.10 Medicine 14.2.11 Know plants and herbs 14.2.12 Natural healing 14.3 Information Sources 14.3.1 Printings 14.3.2 Books 14.3.3 Computers in a networks 14.3.4 Digital data storage 14.3.4.1 CD, DVD 14.3.4.2 Memory sticks 14.3.4.3 Hardrives 14.3.4.4 MP3 players,iPODS 14.3.5 Audio bands, cassettes 14.3.6 Video cassettes 15.LEISURE TIME Time specialy designated for strenghtening community bondage, sharing knowledges and experiences, a good way for morale boosting. REMEMBER, in the coming times, we will need that morale booster, alot! 15.1 Reading 15.2 Singing 15.3 Playing Instruments 15.4 Video Games 15.5 Society Games 15.6 Music Listening 15.7 Story Telling 15.8 Theatre scenettes 15.9 Organizing Holidays for different Nationality in RZ 16.CRAFTS Very important for maintaing our material base. Things get broken, coming apart. New things or accesories must be manufacturated. Can we buy them? Not very lightly! So, we must have a heap of materials and tools, along with people with skills, to be able make that needed things for us. Also the retreat has a lot of systems and mechanisms. Imagine how it would be without that working properly! 16.1 Tools, Tids & Bits 16.1.1 Materials & Parts 16.1.1.1 Screws, Nuts, bolts 16.1.1.2 Metal sheets, plates 16.1.1.3 Pipes 16.1.1.4 Wires, cable 16.1.1.5 Parts & SUbparts for different sub-systems, vehicles and apparatus 16.1.2 Hand-tools 16.1.2.1 Covering all crafts we have people specialized on 16.1.2.2 Many Tool kits, easy handling and transporting where is need 16.1.3 Power tools 16.1.3.1 Power Drills, electric saws, etc 16.2 Skills person in 16.2.1 Carpentry 16.2.2 Construction 16.2.3 Metalwork 16.2.4 Mechanics 16.2.5 Gunsmithing 16.2.6 General Handyman 16.2.7 Welding 16.2.8 Plumbing 16.2.9 Electronics & Electricity 16.2.10 IT guy 16.2.11 Cloth making: looming, Sewing, Crochetting, Knitting 16.3 Craft are producing 16.3.1 Leather articles 16.3.2 Tools & Utensils 16.3.3 Clothes, textiles 16.3.4 Accessories: Bags, Rucsacks 16.4 Reparations 16.4.1 Different things 16.4.2 Different systems 17.ABANDON RETREAT In difficult times, when the retreat is attacked by supperior forces, which will ooust the resistence force, the community leader along with the military expert should take the painful decision to leave the retreat. Far in advance, based on differnt INTEL of perils approaching, from INTEL Officer, the group should make provisions caches along the way to bug out places, such caves, forrest, etc. Very important: 1. Intel we have, must be correctly assessed 2. The military force correct estimation 3. The preparation be made in time Remember, if need leave the retreat in middle of the night, just with some backsacks, the probability of survival the group, in the following days will be very low, close to nil! The bug-out could be decided for threats not necesarilly military, such heavy winds, or floods or meteorits shower, when a cave or a natural deep underground shelter will offer better chance of survival. But those places, should be secured well in advance. Caches with food, water, materials and tools shoud be already prepared on the way to the final retreat. 17.1 Why to bug out from retreat? Aren't we safe here? 17.1.1 Cases when remaining in retreat is endangering the life 17.2 Major dangers 17.2.1 Huge attack on the retreat; assessment of the military command say we can't defeat 17.2.2 Meteorites shower and retreat not resistant at 17.2.3 Devastating fires in the nearby woods with possibility of totally devastation RZ 17.2.4 Huge attack EMP or attack type Blue Beam Project, need go caves 17.2.5 Different threats ousting the limited defending capacity of the group 17.3 Where 17.3.1 Caves 17.3.2 Hidden places in woods 17.3.3 Wholes, labyrinths in the rock, ground, etc 17.4 Abandon Procedures 17.4.1 Already need be in place 17.4.2 How to abandon retreat, order, what take what leave 17.5 Caches 17.5.1 Water 17.5.2 Food 17.5.3 Materials and equipment (sleeping bags, warm clothes, flashlights, water filters) 17.5.4 Importance of caches: places furnished with food, materials, weapon in advance in hidden places just in case scenarios 17.5.5 How to hide the caches, systems of retrieve after the hidden caches ================================================== ========================================== What is your opinion, if someone is observing all of these issues will be in the safe side, or not? What is missing? What is redundant? All the best! Artvision Last edited by artvision; 07-26-2009 at 09:38 AM. |
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