Hey Obama, I'm going to do it anyway, dude!

[Waterman]

We might likely see a lot of such laws being passed before the end of the year. And done so just for survival's sake.

In the brief below John Moore explains why I think that, but I would encourage anyone interested to listen to each of his broadcasts this week. He is now on daily at www.themicroeffect.com, which is where Jeff Rense is now.

John has been and still is a private homicide detective of 37 years around the St. Louis area, and ex-special forces.

The Brief from JR Moore- (summarizing)
I (John Moore) just received some information from a military source (John stated he has known this very reliable source for a long time) and we are facing a really serious disastrous event with high probability. Should it occur it will put the country in a free for all and of course a high potential for martial law etc, will exist.

My thoughts: That could put some more independent thinking states in a position to tell the federal government get out, stay out, really soon. And it appears to me one would want to be in that type of state as opposed to a big brother state like Illinois.

He went on to give a list of eleven cities that have been targeted for an attack starting sometime after June 1. And the type of attack he was talking about was a nuke.

Now this type of info leads to a lot of thought provoking responses. However, our consideration might want to include that just because something "doesn't" happen is not proof there wasn't some type of 007 struggle at the last minute to save the world. Or more realistically, a last minute missed detail that derailed the bad guy's plan while in motion. And have we ever heard the federal government get on the news and say whew we almost lost Dallas today to a nuke? Not likely nor will we, especially if some of them are complicit (like they were in the WTC).

John's comments continued by stating what we could be facing this fall. Read them without fear as just a list of things to consider. His reason for stating these is because of the reliability of his sources. And if ever you wanted a source vetted, you would want him vetting it.

1) The final economic collapse - Sept/Oct
2) Food shortages - Sept/Oct
3) A pandemic - Aug
4) And quite possibily a nuclear attack on a city - sometime after the first of June

Also he mentioned that WWIII might already be going and we just don't know it yet...


My final thoughts.
Yes we the people, not government,s are starting to take back the responsibilities we have so long neglected and if any or all of these events were to occur, hopefully we can all find ourselves in a location where people know how to take care of themselves.

My advice? Examine your state. Will it be cooperating with the feds or not?

[Humble Janitor]

Blah blah blah. Let's keep putting thought into these negative events because after all, we CAN make them happen just by constantly believing in them.

I've got nothing more to say on these matters. It's nice to know that some people are still hung up on politics and government when there are matters that go beyond both.

One last thing: I apologize in advance if anyone's offended. I just think that we worry too much about government and politics and that clouds our judgment sometimes.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I've got nothing more to say on these matters. It's nice to know that some people are still hung up on politics and government when there are matters that go beyond both.O

Pineal-Pilot-in Merkabah; letting illegals in only weakens whats left of the american economy and renders your fight against he nwo even tougher.. change it from inside first then go and help other countries./states


One of the things that government and politics use to control are in fact borders . Whether some here want to believe it or not we are all citizens of this world and this world started without borders or government . Everyone should have the right to travel live and work where they want to , but we put up borders to control and then decide who comes in and out . If we are going to change the system we have to change the whole system not just parts of it .

Flags are a problem too, they say I belong to this group, its a way to divide exactly opposite of the direction we should be going . This can be a touchy subject but stand back and look at some of the things we use and ask your self do we need them .

In order to come together we have to stop living apart

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

...Everyone should have the right to travel live and work where they want to , but we put up borders to control and then decide who comes in and out . If we are going to change the system we have to change the whole system not just parts of it...In order to come together we have to stop living apart

You're describing a paradigm shift similar to this proposal on the "To Do List" thread:

"Begin reaching for self perpetuation/abundance creation that costs nothing to maintain and is freely available by exchanging: ideas, inventions, knowledge, free energy, alchemy, nutrition, illumination, youthfulness, etc. openly for all. Draw in technology that is thousands of years (or more) ahead of our time. End the currency/bankers paradigm via. the entropy that will result when we create this new paradigm for society."

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Waterman

My final thoughts.
Yes we the people, not government,s are starting to take back the responsibilities we have so long neglected and if any or all of these events were to occur, hopefully we can all find ourselves in a location where people know how to take care of themselves.

My advice? Examine your state. Will it be cooperating with the feds or not?

I can relate to this. I used to ignore what is going on at the state and local level because I was only interested in the United States as a country. I have never thought of myself as a Virginian as far as government is concerned--only as an American.

But now, I feel as if the federal government is too far gone and we need to focus our energy on state and local government, and on alternative journalism, and reaching out on the grassroots level.

[lemon_sky88]

OBAMA Is a Wolf is sheeps clothing. I guess he proves there no good at the top period. He lacks the balls of a revolutionary. Spating about change this and that, stand up for you blah blah blah. Come on Obama! **** em off. Oh yeah he wont. Because he is one of them. Damnit Fooled again. Im moving to Oaklahoma because im gona do it any way dude! Great post seashore =)

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by lemon_sky88

I guess he proves there no good at the top period.

My impression from my research over the past two years or so is that the President of the U.S. has been a puppet of the powers that be subsequent to Kennedy. I've also learned that presidential candidates get recruited by the powers that be. If you're honest and dedicated, you can't get the nomination of your party...

[lemon_sky88]

I would not be 100% oposed to obolishing federal government and reforming local and state governments to look over "tribes" for lack of a beter word

[Tango]

Originally Posted by seashore

My impression from my research over the past two years or so is that the President of the U.S. has been a puppet of the powers that be subsequent to Kennedy. I've also learned that presidential candidates get recruited by the powers that be. If you're honest and dedicated, you can't get the nomination of your party...

Ab soul lutly Right... And, Good for Oklahoma.


Trooly,


Tango

[Sarahmay]

Yes, by all means lets support a state that wants to take away civil liberties and religious freedoms, so they can tell their citizens what to do and think... all because you believe some BS about the president being controlled by the PTB. He is absolutely not.

Let's review a commandment...Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What is up with that? If that is on the courthouse, is it not the law of the land, that I have to bow down to your god? Completely unacceptable.

Some of you are obviously willing to accept tyranny as long as it offends a president you don't like.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Yes, by all means lets support a state that wants to take away civil liberties and religious freedoms, so they can tell their citizens what to do and think... all because you believe some BS about the president being controlled by the PTB. He is absolutely not.

Let's review a commandment...Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What is up with that? If that is on the courthouse, is it not the law of the land, that I have to bow down to your god? Completely unacceptable.

Some of you are obviously willing to accept tyranny as long as it offends a president you don't like.

For the record, my comments on this thread have nothing to do with what's going on in the state of Oklahoma.

[246]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Yes, by all means lets support a state that wants to take away civil liberties and religious freedoms, so they can tell their citizens what to do and think... all because you believe some BS about the president being controlled by the PTB. He is absolutely not.

Let's review a commandment...Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What is up with that? If that is on the courthouse, is it not the law of the land, that I have to bow down to your god? Completely unacceptable.

Some of you are obviously willing to accept tyranny as long as it offends a president you don't like.

Yes I agree with you, what about Americans of other religions? Who is the state to say which God I pray to?

[mntruthseeker]

I say..................GOOD FOR YOU OKLAHOMA

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Yes, by all means lets support a state that wants to take away civil liberties and religious freedoms, so they can tell their citizens what to do and think... all because you believe some BS about the president being controlled by the PTB. He is absolutely not.


Some of you are obviously willing to accept tyranny as long as it offends a president you don't like.

In order for tyranny to exist some one has to sponser it and for the last 60 to 70 years it has been the same group of people doing the sponsering. If you turn your head and allow those things that have been done in the past to fall by the wayside then you in fact perpetuate them. Letting bad acts go unpunished shows that you are willing to let future evil deeds have that same leyway. Doing nothing is no longer an option. So by not acknowledging these things done by a previous administration Obama will never build or earn trust . Those that still think he is going to turn a corner and all of a sudden "poof" he is going to shine the light on everything are in for a long wait It will be like waiting for the bus thats never going to show up..... he campaigned on Hope and change funny words when you look at them this way
"We can all Hope that Change is going to happen tomorrow and if it doesn`t there is the Hope it will happen the day after. The problem with Hope is that Change never has to Materialize for it to exist."

[oldpaganfreak]

'hope' is really non-commital. it's kind of a desperate emotion.
we can hope for change, but if we only hope, change will never occur.
action alone is capable of making hope happen.

a friend of mine has a saying....
'hope in one hand and s**t in the other and see which hand fills up first.'

[Waterman]

We must admit we have differences of opinion, and until recently that opinion has been a protected right in our country. However, as we move along less and less of those freedoms are protected, including the right to have an opinion listed in the first amendment. Look at how many go to jail for holocaus denial, which is just an opinion.

The fact that we have so many differences makes me wonder if we have forgotten that some folks move to an area because it IS friendly to their moral code or beliefs. So having different states that have different flavors to me seems to be good. For example there are those that might spit nails at me for what I believe and will never see it my way, and I see this as healthy but when those differences turn into disrespect because of that different opinion we usually start having trouble. That is how wars start.

So hurray for different states. Let's give Texas their republic back and anyone else that wants it. In fact Vermont is moving quite close to that line along with Quebec and several other areas. Why not let them? After all people can move right?

Believing, or not believing that the "powers that be", place, pick, make, or hand pick a candidate is another topic but it is quite obvious Obama was "placed, picked, and made" to be president.

Quoting Will Rogers (an Oklahoman), "Good thing we don't get all the government we pay for".

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Waterman

We must admit we have differences of opinion, and until recently that opinion has been a protected right in our country. However, as we move along less and less of those freedoms are protected, including the right to have an opinion listed in the first amendment. Look at how many go to jail for holocaus denial, which is just an opinion.

The fact that we have so many differences makes me wonder if we have forgotten that some folks move to an area because it IS friendly to their moral code or beliefs. So having different states that have different flavors to me seems to be good. For example there are those that might spit nails at me for what I believe and will never see it my way, and I see this as healthy but when those differences turn into disrespect because of that different opinion we usually start having trouble. That is how wars start.

So hurray for different states. Let's give Texas their republic back and anyone else that wants it. In fact Vermont is moving quite close to that line along with Quebec and several other areas. Why not let them? After all people can move right?

The problem with a Vermont secession is how to maintain roads and infrastructure without the assistance of the federal government. I propose the following:

1. Legalize all drugs and tax the hell out of them. Keep the money in Vermont though.
2. Legalize hemp farming. It will keep those small farmers in business. Hemp is a durable product with many uses.

I can't think of anything else right now but it's possible that these two things could contribute to Vermont's self-sufficency, which is needed in order for secession to work.

As for the small government advocates, where were you when Bush was president? I can't buy the idea that Obama is horrible when spending INCREASED under what was supposed to be a conservative government (Bush).

And if Oklahoma wants to secede, then do it. Just don't expect any assistance from other states, should the Federal government attack you (unless you form alliances with other states).

[sun-toon´]

Maybe I missed something, Waterman, but the way you presented this it appeared as though you'd written it yourself, when it's actually a viral e-mail that's been around long enough to have been covered by Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/pending/oklahoma.asp

[Waterman]

That is an interesting statement. Because after talking to several people in Oklahoma about the new laws they said there has been a dramatic drop in illegals working in the state.

And yeah it is kind of spooky that that link is about what I spoke of, I've never seen it...

Unfortunately I spoke with some folks in Oklahoma and they are telling me the laws were passed. Keep up the Monday night quartering backing sun'toon, we all need to be checked.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Waterman

...yeah it is kind of spooky that that link is about what I spoke of, I've never seen it...

Unfortunately I spoke with some folks in Oklahoma and they are telling me the laws were passed. Keep up the Monday night quartering backing sun'toon, we all need to be checked.

Yeah...kind of spooky that it's all over the web, word for word what you pasted...I mean posted here, and you've never seen it.
I'm glad to hear your Okie friends have all the facts straight that Snopes got wrong. Snopes is a mess with fact checking when compared to "some folks".

And FYI, I wasn't checking up on you, but your exact text happened to land in my e-mail box today from a Libertarian slanted e-mail list.

You won't have to worry about me checking up on you again, there's not enough credibility there to bother.

[Humble Janitor]

All I have to say (and take offense if you must) on illegal immigration is that it's always hilarious when most of the people opposed to it are white and male.

Let's ask some of the opponents if they'd be willing to pick fruit all day in the sun for $4/hour. They will come up with all kinds of excuses on why they wouldn't do it.

[Carol]

It seems there is quite an untapped workforce in the prisons.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by Waterman

That is an interesting statement. Because after talking to several people in Oklahoma about the new laws they said there has been a dramatic drop in illegals working in the state.

And yeah it is kind of spooky that that link is about what I spoke of, I've never seen it...

Unfortunately I spoke with some folks in Oklahoma and they are telling me the laws were passed. Keep up the Monday night quartering backing sun'toon, we all need to be checked.

Welll, I want to STAND UP right Now... And, Thank you for posting...

In the next breath I want to pass along som information....

Snopes is a man/wife that found a way to make money... They're Not
always right !!! I don't want to be a distraction but....

I don't think this whole Site... needs... " a monday night quarter backing..."
" Thank you very much." I prefer that people post ' their information '...

I WILL Decide, what I willl Decide....

Thank you ' Waterman.'

Respect No pot shots


Trooly,



Tango

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Tango

Welll, I want to STAND UP right Now... And, Thank you for posting...
In the next breath I want to pass along som information....
Snopes is a man/wife that found a way to make money... They're Not
always right !!! I don't want to be a distraction but....
I don't think this whole Site... needs... " a monday night quarter backing..."
" Thank you very much." I prefer that people post ' their information '...
I WILL Decide, what I willl Decide....
Thank you ' Waterman.'
Respect No pot shots

You're right about Snopes, Tango...they're not always right, but usually on points that can easily be looked up on the web and which don't stretch the matrix pattern, they have credibility.

About the rest of your speech...I hope you can understand that I only asked why Waterman didn't mention that the source of his post wasn't himself, which it clearly was not. He then chose to state that he'd never seen this piece, which is now so viral that it's a wonder everyone here hasn't come across it somewhere else by now.
I did not criticize the intent of the post itself...but now I will.

On second reading I see this as the kind of glib, inaccurate, pseudo common sense piece that's written by marketing firms for political agendas. They're released anonymously on the net to appeal to the basest emotional instincts of their audience...in this case Libertarian and conservative blogs and forums. It was intentionally written to be divisive by sneering at Obama and making him the focal point, as if he's doing anything that wasn't already a part of the Bush/NWO agenda. This is exactly how disinformation is spun, and how we're conditioned to believe in left and right wing agendas, when both fully support the same corrupt system.

IMO posting it here was also intended to be a distraction and divisive, which it was. Is there really a need to be sucked into a debate over the merits of VT vs OK? Now you further the distraction by inferring that a question about the source of the text in some way impedes your right to see the information at all.

[Humble Janitor]

I'm not the one who started a debate over which state was better.

I just don't understand what OK expects to accomplish by "sticking it to the man." What if there are people in OK who don't want the 10 Commandmants near a courthouse? What if there are legal immigrants with family that happen to be illegals and they get deported or jailed?

It's one thing to stand up for your principles but when they affect others in a negative way, you need to step back and think (kind of like Gov.Sanford of South Carolina).