See The Future in the US... Look at Brazil....

Steven · 11-11-2009, 06:12 PM

Hi Steve. I see your point but here is my thoughts about it. I was in Brazil from 1994 to 1998 and Collor had just gone from empeachment. Collor was so corrupted and totally aligned with the rich brazilian oligarchy and latifundarios. The poeple just couldn't let him go with it, it was way too much for the rich and way too less for the poors.

The country had known a military dictationship for 20 years, until 1985. And Lula was one who courageously stood against this tyranny. Creating the first union illegally. Then after the dictatorship he created the ''workers party'', social democratic from the begining to oppose this strong right wing force who took place after the military dictatorship. In fact, while the dictatorship was in power, behind it the real power in command was the brazilian oligarchy and latifundarios.

Henrique Cardoso took place after Collor winning against Lula twice. Cardoso presented himself as a social democratic defender center aligned, but in the facts, it was still behind a control of the richs who controlled the lands, the medias, the industries and even the church placed a right wing conservatory archbishop at the head of the concil of bishops. It is important to mention it because the church is BIG in Brazil.

So, now we have Lula winning twice sequentially. It is in my eyes very logical to see Lula applying exactly what he preached for the last 30 years. The first thing he did when he first entered in power was the cancelation of the renewal of many jet fighters for the airforce. Saying he can not build an airforce when millions of brazilian children lacks food, health and education. Of course, he encountered a tremendous opposing force and had to put some water in his wine cup.

In other words, it is the return of the pendulum... It might happen in the U.S. and also in many countries around the globe. Look at most of the political power in place all over america latina, it is all social democrate, Venezuela and Equador being the most opposed to the old oligarchic power traditionnally sustained by the U.S. and the old famillies.

Namaste, Steven

11-11-2009, 06:12 PM	#2
Steven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Temiscouata Posts: 873	Re: See The Future in the US... Look at Brazil.... Hi Steve. I see your point but here is my thoughts about it. I was in Brazil from 1994 to 1998 and Collor had just gone from empeachment. Collor was so corrupted and totally aligned with the rich brazilian oligarchy and latifundarios. The poeple just couldn't let him go with it, it was way too much for the rich and way too less for the poors. The country had known a military dictationship for 20 years, until 1985. And Lula was one who courageously stood against this tyranny. Creating the first union illegally. Then after the dictatorship he created the ''workers party'', social democratic from the begining to oppose this strong right wing force who took place after the military dictatorship. In fact, while the dictatorship was in power, behind it the real power in command was the brazilian oligarchy and latifundarios. Henrique Cardoso took place after Collor winning against Lula twice. Cardoso presented himself as a social democratic defender center aligned, but in the facts, it was still behind a control of the richs who controlled the lands, the medias, the industries and even the church placed a right wing conservatory archbishop at the head of the concil of bishops. It is important to mention it because the church is BIG in Brazil. So, now we have Lula winning twice sequentially. It is in my eyes very logical to see Lula applying exactly what he preached for the last 30 years. The first thing he did when he first entered in power was the cancelation of the renewal of many jet fighters for the airforce. Saying he can not build an airforce when millions of brazilian children lacks food, health and education. Of course, he encountered a tremendous opposing force and had to put some water in his wine cup. In other words, it is the return of the pendulum... It might happen in the U.S. and also in many countries around the globe. Look at most of the political power in place all over america latina, it is all social democrate, Venezuela and Equador being the most opposed to the old oligarchic power traditionnally sustained by the U.S. and the old famillies. Namaste, Steven Last edited by Steven; 11-11-2009 at 06:17 PM.