Let's discuss Zurich debate about the swine flu shots

[elsinorelore]

I just want to say, I along with 300 some odd other people were there at the conference last weekend, I havent seen anyone who was there post here yet.... Anyway, for what is worth, I went to Bill Ryans workshop Sunday morning, (not Dans) and Bill said (and I am not quoting exact words here) something along the lines that Dan is a true guy, but we all need to understand how compartmentalized different people are....&&&&&- so, I took it as Dan has alot of truths, but, he, along with many others are so compartmentalized that they dont all have the full picture... I also know that, that workshop was taped, so exactly what was said by Bill, will come out when they get all the conference stuff edited!!! just thought I should interject that so you know what will be coming to view here soon...And the whole Saturday episode was a real trip!!!

[lindabaker]

[QUOTE=metaw3;152486]I'm glad to hear about Dan investigating.

Here's a thought:

What if it's not about killer vaccines, but rather about taking out people who are not scared of refusing mandatory vaccination, since these people won't and obviously can't be mind-controlled into accepting the NWO? Kind of a practical survey to see how fearless some of us are, and how many we are. Actually I got this theory from there
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...03&topic=10499

Even if the guy made it up, it fits perfectly with the way they operate. Don't you think?

Aw, ****, now it's really confusing! Do you refuse and become part of the non-controllable minority, therefore a target? Or do you comply and die? It's like second guessing in which goblet the poison resides, like in The Princess Bride. The shell game begins. Any ideas, anybody?

Thanks, now I really don't know what to do

I love this thread.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Spiralmind

Thanks, now I really don't know what to do

I would say watch the propaganda. If it emphasizes how dangerous someone is to the other by not being vaccinated, it is not a good sign. What does the publicity look like so far? I don't watch TV.

[Wormhole]

FYI
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/major-...-out-of-c.html

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

My point being, that this policy has been in place for four years now. Developing countries do not have access to the data base without a price being payed. Dan B. knows this. His comment about not having access is not surprising; only in that he should know that the data base is available for a price. This is old news. Do I trust Dan? Well, no. Look at who he works for, and look at who he claims to be working with. Why would I trust him.

Are Vaccines good? Sure, some are. Some are very good. Others are being used for negative purposes. It's a mixed bag just like anything else. Use your hearts and intuitions, your minds and your discernment. Mandatory ANYTHING smacks of NWO. That alone is enough for me to say no.

[cosmictexan]

Thanks Wormhole,

That must be the database Dan was talking about in Zurich.

[Wormhole]

Note that "Los Alamos" is controlling the database information. Bad idea. And, the only other option is the WHO.

Peace of Mind,
WOrmhole

[cosmictexan]

I like the fact that there isn't enough money, yea right, it is only a few million dollars. Compared to all the millions and billions that are spent on useless things I think a few million is reasonable.

[Wormhole]

What? Are you questioning the funding that we need to support our military industrial complex? Why, I would feel unsafe if there weren't all these big guns laying about in the hands of the military here to protect me...

It's gross isn't it.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[MoV]

Originally Posted by MoV

live now http://americanfreedomradio.com/ I'll post the mp3 after

I had some technical problems ..

the first part 32K 12.00 MB 52:34 s
http://www.hotshare.net/en/audio/162095-4779663aba.html

the second part 16k 7.70 MB 67:18 s
http://www.hotshare.net/en/audio/162098-2693702a98.html
) the show was just uploaded few min. before I Upload it.. http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...32k-071409.mp3

[Ara]

18 July 2009 - update • A conversation with Dr. Bill Deagle covering the up to the minute details on the deadly qualities of the vaccine; plans of the NWO and the WHO; earth changes and more...Must Listen!
Dr. Bill Deagle Update July 18, 2009
We are going to convene a Panel of Experts to discuss the issues with the vaccine, tamiflu and the mutating H1N1 TBA possibly as early as this Thursday, July 30.

[metaw3]

Ok so what do you think of the new statement from Dan Burisch posted today on Camelot homepage:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisc...july_2009.html

[...]

I have directed this post to be made public. We are aware of what is going on, and David can confirm I had hard biological material with me to describe the H1N1/H5N1 issue and lack of biomarkers present which I would expect for a biodefense weapon. I also told him, somewhat directly, that my experience has indicated that should either of these two viruses have been a biodefense weapon, those whom I have known would have been fired for incompetence, due to lack of mortality rate.

[...]

The information that we approached a certain Senator about a database is true, and has already been presented on the Eagles Disobey website. Yes, we have written to a Senator and have thus far received little action. Why? We are going to try to find out. We will take further steps. The unusual thing is that NO ONE, not a soul we heard at the conference asked us what database we were talking about! Review the video/audio. Of course it is the "CDC's VSD" - but no one even asked! Why? When something is important to me, I ask questions. I even asked others to help, or that we would join them in their efforts. So far, we have received no such efforts. We will publish the written comments offered at the conference. If we do, we will do what we can to help. Otherwise, our offer for their voices to be added to our own will remain, and we will take those actions we feel appropriate to investigate this issue.

[...]

[metaw3]

http://forum.vacci-nations.com/viewt...6&t=80&start=0
[INDENT] "I think we should help microbiologist Dan Burisch in his effort to have access to the CDC - Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Project's database. He already asked for help during the Zurich conference incident. I think this should be included somehow in the injunction. Here is the latest statement from Burisch in regard to the Zurich incident. Some may see this as an argument against Jane Burgermeister's allegations, but I don't. I think Jane has enough evidence for an injunction to prevent forced vaccination, and I think that this is a golden opportunity to expose the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Just because one microbiologist says this flu is not a bioweapon, it doesn't change anything to Jane's evidence, and Dan even confirms the Illuminati depopulation agenda. Also, Dan doesn't say anything about what the new vaccine will do and what it contains or not. So let's help this guy access this database!"

[franciejones]

just done here

[cosmictexan]

I seem to remember that Dan went to Houston at the beginning of the outbreak to look into the question of a altered virus but has he done any lab testing lately. Maybe what he saw was a real virus and it wasn't altered but that doesn't mean that it is a real virus now. I think we should give Dan a little time to do some research and I think he should use whatever evidence that Jane has collected to start his investigation. Maybe Dan's doctor friend in Houston called him there to use him, so he would say that the virus is real and nothing to worry about. That was months ago and who knows what has happened in the mean time. So many theories and not enough answers.

[metaw3]

Here's 2 facts:
1. WE can request public access to a potentially incriminating database about vaccine safety
2. WE can stop forced vaccination for kids in school this fall
This can be accomplish legally with injunctions. Dan can help with access to the database and Jane with forced vaccinations.

I concur with you metaw3! I also think alot of ppl mis-understood what dan was saying about vaccines. He said don't just believe anything without having any factual evindence! That's why he's willing to investigate things out first, and he needs our help. He further said, everyone has a choice, don't just make your decisions based on only your emotions, use your logic too, so you can come to a better conclusion or decision.

As for me, my stand is, I would not take no freaking vaccine shot, unless i was infected and had no choice but to take a vaccine.

[cosmictexan]

It doesn't seem very easy to get into the VSD (Vaccine Safety Datalink). Here is a video of two doctors that went through a bunch of hoops to get into the database.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...%27s+VSD&hl=fr

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...%27s+VSD&hl=fr

There are more videos of these two doctors story. I guess with Dan's background he might be able to pull some strings and get access.

I agree with metaw3 about Dan and Jane. We need to work from both angles.

[meissmar]

Well there's a lot of people in Germany asking for the German database to be made available for the general public. there's even a law over here that forces the doctor to report any problem or disease following a vaccination. But of course not everything is being reported, because the doctor says that "this is not related to the vaccination".

But still they refuse to open the database to prove once and for all that the children being vaccinated are healthier than those not receiving the shots. There's a pretty big movement questioning the sense and effectiveness of vaccinations.

I think as long as the medicine industry is ruling the decisions there, we will not see an opening of those databases. It would show too many people that it's not safe. Especially in Germany, the government is still working mostly for the industry, not for the people.

[meissmar]

Originally Posted by Nebula

I concur with you metaw3! I also think alot of ppl mis-understood what dan was saying about vaccines. He said don't just believe anything without having any factual evindence! That's why he's willing to investigate things out first, and he needs our help. He further said, everyone has a choice, don't just make your decisions based on only your emotions, use your logic too, so you can come to a better conclusion or decision.

As for me, my stand is, I would not take no freaking vaccine shot, unless i was infected and had no choice but to take a vaccine.

I agree with this statement. But that's the reason, that I am questioning the evidence that viruses actually cause the diseases claimed by western medicine (see extra thread). I am questioning so much in my life that doesn't sound logical to me so I came to the point of vaccinations and viruses and the point that there do not seem to be studies that prove that viruses are causing diseases.

[14 Chakras]

[quote=lindabaker;152548]

Originally Posted by metaw3

I'm glad to hear about Dan investigating.

Here's a thought:

What if it's not about killer vaccines, but rather about taking out people who are not scared of refusing mandatory vaccination, since these people won't and obviously can't be mind-controlled into accepting the NWO? Kind of a practical survey to see how fearless some of us are, and how many we are. Actually I got this theory from there
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...03&topic=10499

Even if the guy made it up, it fits perfectly with the way they operate. Don't you think?

Aw, ****, now it's really confusing! Do you refuse and become part of the non-controllable minority, therefore a target? Or do you comply and die? It's like second guessing in which goblet the poison resides, like in The Princess Bride. The shell game begins. Any ideas, anybody?

I'd say it's a little of both. The vaccine can probably be 'weaponized' at some point, and surely won't be good for you. I'm sure they'd like to 'kill two birds with one stone' and use the whole thing as an excuse to FEMAway those who refuse to get one...

That being said, they can't do stuff when there's too much exposure on it. They may have nasty plans, but once they are figured out, they pretty much can't pull it off. Too many people would stand up against them.

Esoterically, I also believe there is something to cosmic law that because of free will,

A) they have to give you a sufficient amount of hints about what they are planning and

B) if a sufficient number of people figure it out and get the word out, they pretty much can't do it.


It also helps when spiritual people connect to the ascended hosts, like Archangel Michael, and make calls against plots like this. They simply don't materialize when enough people figure out what it is before hand and spread the word.

The work that whistle blowers and truth seekers do may be more effective and important than most realize.

In this case, I don't believe they will be able to pull off a really negative event here, there's just too much awareness around the potentials here.

[Lightpotential]

Just today there was an article in the papers about a survey conducted of some 1500 nurses here in the UK about the swine flu vaccine. Of that number, a full 30% said that they would refuse the vaccine, citing adverse health effects and also the perceived mildness of the flu.

I have seen many similar surveys to this over the years. The very people who administer the treatments tend not to want them themselves in significant numbers.

LP