Questions for the 'Healers'

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 09:35 PM

I have questions and 'Gaia Love' asked me to make a new thread so here goes.

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Criticism and or negative input is not conducive to healing and therefore not welcome on this thread.
If you have questions or critiques please message members directly or start a relevant thread.

Thank You

QUESTIONS FOR THE 'HEALERS' HERE
(I have no criticism, only questions)

1. Can you go into a hospital and heal the sick? Do you? If not, how come?

2. It's been stated that:

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I can only act when assured that the person so named has consented and will accept the healing offered.

Has anyone ever turned down a 'healing' request?

3. What is your success rate? Is it verifiable? Can anyone here provide a doctor's independent verification of their healing abilities? Are their specific diseases you can cure and others you can't? Will you list them?

4. Someone said:

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440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin....

Are you aware that Heinrich Himmler was the chief proponent of changing the concert pitch to A440? How does this relate to healing?

5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?

Those are my questions for now.

Please don't take this as 'criticism' or 'negativity'. They are honest questions which I would like to have answered. Being a 'healer' is a serious claim with serious implications. Anyone who makes this claim should be required to back it up with some verifiable proof and should welcome these questions.

People who put their lives in your hands deserve to know. If (and I do mean IF) anyone here is NOT really a healer, then posing as one is a cruel fraud.

So, in the spirit of full disclosure, will the 'healers' please check in here and put the rest of us at ease about their abilities?

tone3jaguar · 12-21-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

5. If you can heal, can you control nature in other ways also? In what ways and to what extent?

You would not believe me if I told you.

THE eXchanger · 12-21-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

You would not believe me if I told you.

likely he would NOT, although we know YOU CAN

hollylindin · 12-21-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

You would not believe me if I told you.

Please tell, Tone! Next time I see your work, I'll sing your praises.

<3

14 Chakras · 12-21-2009, 11:32 PM

Perhaps the cause and core of disease is not found in the material, rather in the energy field, in the spiritual.

Sure you can't see it with your 5 senses, but does that mean it's not real?

Ever look into quantum physics? What is matter made out of? Atoms. What are Atoms made out of? Virtually nothing.

Pure energy.

Everything is made out of Pure Energy, it's a scientific fact. E=MC2 right? Energy and Matter are the same thing, interchangeable.

Matter is vibrating energy.

Shift the energy, shift the matter.

Change the matter, are you changing the underlying cause? Or are you just making a cosmetic improvement?

Skepticism is reasonable, but discernment is much more valuable. Skeptics argued the earth was flat. Skeptics don't move society forward, they try and hold it back.

If you ever want to be amazed and wowed by energy work, check out a Matrix Energetics conference sometime, I was blown away by what goes on there... you learn to work with energy and it's virtually impossible to argue with it after you go see it for yourself... http://www.matrixenergetics.com/

Everything is made out of energy, including US, and when we start to connect to that reality, we can move both science and religion forward in a way that is symbiotic rather than in this never ending war of who is right when both the purely material, and God in the sky approach are both dead ends...

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Perhaps the cause and core of disease is not found in the material, rather in the energy field, in the spiritual.

Sure you can't see it with your 5 senses, but does that mean it's not real?

Ever look into quantum physics? What is matter made out of? Atoms. What are Atoms made out of? Virtually nothing.

Pure energy.

Everything is made out of Pure Energy, it's a scientific fact. E=MC2 right? Energy and Matter are the same thing, interchangeable.

Matter is vibrating energy.

Shift the energy, shift the matter.

Change the matter, are you changing the underlying cause? Or are you just making a cosmetic improvement?

Skepticism is reasonable, but discernment is much more valuable. Skeptics argued the earth was flat. Skeptics don't move society forward, they try and hold it back.

If you ever want to be amazed and wowed by energy work, check out a Matrix Energetics conference sometime, I was blown away by what goes on there... you learn to work with energy and it's virtually impossible to argue with it after you go see it for yourself... http://www.matrixenergetics.com/

Everything is made out of energy, including US, and when we start to connect to that reality, we can move both science and religion forward in a way that is symbiotic rather than in this never ending war of who is right when both the purely material, and God in the sky approach are both dead ends...

I understand your theory. But healing is a physical act with physical consequences that should be physically verifiable.

14 Chakras · 12-21-2009, 11:49 PM

Are you sure that 'healing is a physical act'?

Why are doctors not called healers?

Is the current physical medical system designed to heal?

Why is it that the solution for the majority of health problems is continued use of medications?

Why is it that society is as unhealthy as ever? (while certainly we've made progress since the dark ages, it should be very clear that generally speaking people are far from 'healthy').

Is it possible that our own consciousness, our own energy, negative energy, creates our disease? Is it possible it's karmic? Returning energy?

Is it possible that until we fix our own consciousness, we will continue to experience the return of our own energy being sent out as disease and suffering?

Does the current medical industrial complex heal people? No, I do not believe it does. More often than not, one of their solutions leads to another problem. Take one drug, and you'll need another to deal with the side effects. They don't heal, very often they make you more sick!

True healing will occur when the cause and core of the problem is addressed. The physical world we live in is truly an output of our own consciousness.

Heal the consciousness, heal the body. Ignore the consciousness, remain sick in both soul and body.

THE eXchanger · 12-21-2009, 11:27 PM

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

(are you trying to purposely, ask TRICK questions)

No. Are you trying to give trick answers?

(BTW - Himmler was succesful and it's still at A440)

THE eXchanger · 12-21-2009, 11:45 PM

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

Himmler-adopted a standard of a concert at A440

Yes. The question is WHY?

THE eXchanger · 12-22-2009, 12:38 AM

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

Wormhole · 12-22-2009, 02:02 AM

Scarab,
Have you not had the experience of healing another through energy, intention, or prayer? Would you like to experience this? There are many who could help you have this experience (through study) to see the results first hand (physically if you desire such an experience). There are many web sites, many testimonials, and a great deal of library knowledge available to EVERYONE who is seeking. Even here in the Avalon archives, at the tips of your fingers. Please research this and then come back with your personal discoveries.

I suggest that an open door is more interesting then a closed one.

I wish you the best in your journey and welcome your heart.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

PS,
I see also that you are digging for some truth, please speak plainly and enlighten us. What have you uncovered that you believe we should know and understand?

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

we have chosen NOT to repond to this thread

Will the healing claims stop now too?

THE eXchanger · 12-22-2009, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

Will the healing claims stop now too?

we did NOT make any healing claims !

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

we did NOT make any healing claims !

Yes, you did.

You said you've taken at least 22 high level courses and you are currently working on editing your client testimonials that endorsed your healing abilities.

(paraphrasing because now you've removed the post)
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Oops. Found it

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i will have to count, how many courses, etc.,
that i have taken, once, there was over 22 of them
most at master/or teacher levels
(none from diploma mills)

~although in the work i do, i do NOT make claims
instead, i do 'the job' for as, long as it takes to accomplish it

~i am in the process of editing a lot of testimonals
(most, are outside, of what the law says, you can say)

~yes, some people did have medical proof

End of addition

Who is 'we'. Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

THE eXchanger · 12-22-2009, 02:27 AM

We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions...
after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members
who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'"

your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses
is, totally unexpectable - to us,
and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!!

Zeddo · 12-22-2009, 03:30 AM

removed by me.....pearls before swine.....
Z

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

As to why he did it, we don't have a clue

Do you think he took time out from WWII to pioneer the effort because he was worried about people with skin rashes?

Another 'healer' here said:

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440 hz, Takes it away, clears the Rash, Hot skin....

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 03:47 AM

@zeddo

I assume you took photos of the miracle tumor removal? Hit the talk show circuit, got written up in a local paper?

Zeddo · 12-22-2009, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

@zeddo

I assume you took photos of the miracle tumor removal? Hit the talk show circuit, got written up in a local paper?

you know what they say about "assume"? makes an ass out of u and me......more you than me however.

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeddo

you know what they say about "assume"? makes an ass out of u and me......more you than me however.

You could have just said 'no'. But that's fine. I understand.

THE eXchanger · 12-22-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeddo

you know what they say about "assume"?
makes an ass out of u and me......
more you than me however.

to Zeddo

Scarab · 12-22-2009, 04:19 AM

Just to make it clear.

This isn't about 'negative energy' or exposing anyone or anything.

I just think that if someone makes a claim, it should be honest and they should be able to back it up.

I didn't intend for this thread to become drama.

mntruthseeker · 12-22-2009, 06:34 AM

Yes healing can be done long distance and I have proof of that.

I have so many cases that it would take too long to write.

Anyone that thinks it can' t be done has much to learn

BTW Soffegio music healed me quite well..........I'm quite proud of the results

Do you suppose I am a witch ?

A person doesnt have to have first hand knowledge that a healing is going to be done.............you need their name, city and state.

YES you can heal long distance.

12-21-2009, 11:32 PM	#5
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' Perhaps the cause and core of disease is not found in the material, rather in the energy field, in the spiritual. Sure you can't see it with your 5 senses, but does that mean it's not real? Ever look into quantum physics? What is matter made out of? Atoms. What are Atoms made out of? Virtually nothing. Pure energy. Everything is made out of Pure Energy, it's a scientific fact. E=MC2 right? Energy and Matter are the same thing, interchangeable. Matter is vibrating energy. Shift the energy, shift the matter. Change the matter, are you changing the underlying cause? Or are you just making a cosmetic improvement? Skepticism is reasonable, but discernment is much more valuable. Skeptics argued the earth was flat. Skeptics don't move society forward, they try and hold it back. If you ever want to be amazed and wowed by energy work, check out a Matrix Energetics conference sometime, I was blown away by what goes on there... you learn to work with energy and it's virtually impossible to argue with it after you go see it for yourself... http://www.matrixenergetics.com/ Everything is made out of energy, including US, and when we start to connect to that reality, we can move both science and religion forward in a way that is symbiotic rather than in this never ending war of who is right when both the purely material, and God in the sky approach are both dead ends...

12-21-2009, 11:49 PM	#7
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' Are you sure that 'healing is a physical act'? Why are doctors not called healers? Is the current physical medical system designed to heal? Why is it that the solution for the majority of health problems is continued use of medications? Why is it that society is as unhealthy as ever? (while certainly we've made progress since the dark ages, it should be very clear that generally speaking people are far from 'healthy'). Is it possible that our own consciousness, our own energy, negative energy, creates our disease? Is it possible it's karmic? Returning energy? Is it possible that until we fix our own consciousness, we will continue to experience the return of our own energy being sent out as disease and suffering? Does the current medical industrial complex heal people? No, I do not believe it does. More often than not, one of their solutions leads to another problem. Take one drug, and you'll need another to deal with the side effects. They don't heal, very often they make you more sick! True healing will occur when the cause and core of the problem is addressed. The physical world we live in is truly an output of our own consciousness. Heal the consciousness, heal the body. Ignore the consciousness, remain sick in both soul and body.

12-21-2009, 11:27 PM	#8
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions... after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'" your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses is, totally unexpectable - to us, and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!! Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-22-2009 at 04:13 AM.

12-21-2009, 11:45 PM	#10
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions... after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'" your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses is, totally unexpectable - to us, and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!! Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-22-2009 at 04:14 AM. Reason: the thread, is a lure - to assualt people who heal

12-22-2009, 12:38 AM	#12
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions... after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'" your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses is, totally unexpectable - to us, and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!! Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-22-2009 at 04:14 AM.

12-22-2009, 02:02 AM	#13
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' Scarab, Have you not had the experience of healing another through energy, intention, or prayer? Would you like to experience this? There are many who could help you have this experience (through study) to see the results first hand (physically if you desire such an experience). There are many web sites, many testimonials, and a great deal of library knowledge available to EVERYONE who is seeking. Even here in the Avalon archives, at the tips of your fingers. Please research this and then come back with your personal discoveries. I suggest that an open door is more interesting then a closed one. I wish you the best in your journey and welcome your heart. Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart, Wormhole PS, I see also that you are digging for some truth, please speak plainly and enlighten us. What have you uncovered that you believe we should know and understand?

12-22-2009, 02:27 AM	#17
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' We have chosen to remove our responses to 2 of your 5 questions... after seeing how, you have treated NOT only us, but, other members who were lured here, to the title of the post "Questions for the 'Healers'" your attitude, in our opinion - to our responses/as, well, as others responses is, totally unexpectable - to us, and, as, you can see, the others, removed their comments too !!! Last edited by THE eXchanger; 12-22-2009 at 04:15 AM.

12-22-2009, 03:30 AM	#18
Zeddo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 694	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' removed by me.....pearls before swine..... Z

12-22-2009, 03:47 AM	#20
Scarab Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 221	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' @zeddo I assume you took photos of the miracle tumor removal? Hit the talk show circuit, got written up in a local paper?

12-22-2009, 04:19 AM	#24
Scarab Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 221	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' Just to make it clear. This isn't about 'negative energy' or exposing anyone or anything. I just think that if someone makes a claim, it should be honest and they should be able to back it up. I didn't intend for this thread to become drama.

12-22-2009, 06:34 AM	#25
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Questions for the 'Healers' Yes healing can be done long distance and I have proof of that. I have so many cases that it would take too long to write. Anyone that thinks it can' t be done has much to learn BTW Soffegio music healed me quite well..........I'm quite proud of the results Do you suppose I am a witch ? A person doesnt have to have first hand knowledge that a healing is going to be done.............you need their name, city and state. YES you can heal long distance.