The Pakistan Army has been ordered to retaliate against any action by foreign troops

[Zarathustra]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17190

Army ordered to hit back




Friday, September 12, 2008


News Desk

RAWALPINDI: The Pakistan Army has been ordered to retaliate against any action by foreign troops inside the country, Geo News quoted ISPR spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas as saying on Thursday night.

Shakil Shaikh adds from Islamabad: Pakistan's military commanders resolved to defend the country's borders without allowing any external forces to conduct operations inside Pakistan.

The military commanders expressed this resolve on the first day of the two-day Corps Commanders conference, which began here on Thursday at the General Headquarters. Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the all-important conference against the backdrop of the new strategic developments taking place in the region.

General Kayani has already rebuffed the American policy of including Pakistani territory in their operations against terrorists and those hiding in the areas bordering Afghanistan. Reports say that the US President Bush has allowed air raids from drones and ground operations in Pakistani areas including FATA.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has termed General Kayani's response to the Americans as a true reflection of the government's policy. The military commanders are understood to have discussed the implications of the American attacks inside Pakistan and took stock of the public feeling.

"In his statement, Genral Kayani has represented the feeling of the entire nation, as random attacks inside Pakistan have angered each and every Pakistani," said a senior official. As the corps commanders continue their discussion on Friday, the British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has supported the Bush administration's policy of conducting attacks inside Pakistan.

President Zardari is expected to talk to Mr. Brown on this issue during his first visit to Britain next week. Pakistan's Ambassador to the US, Hussain Haqqani, is also learnt to have already talked to senior security officials in Washington. The latest spate of attacks from drones in Fata has killed many innocent people recently, which has only added to the gravity and complexity of the situation.

[Antaletriangle]

Thanks for the updates-what's going down here?Is this something that hasn't been anticipated?Too much focus on Iran and not elsewhere?
quote: the British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has supported the Bush administration's policy of conducting attacks inside Pakistan.
that doesn't surprise me one bit! Madhouse militants -very evil men!

[Zarathustra]

Antaletriangle,

I am not quite sure what is the genesis of this new shakeup between U.S./U.K. and Pakistan, which is one reason why I have tried to pay close attention to it. It certainly started when Musharaff was ousted.

On the surface Bush/Cheney/Neocons are obviously trying to make everyone believe that they can no longer "fight terrorism" in Ahfganistan properly without incursions across the Pakistan border. Something isn't adding up to me. It seems as though the Pakistanis have attempted to withdraw their support, or something that has put them and Bush on opposite sides. I responded to Questiny's post about the Venezuelan and Bolivian governments kicking out the American ambassadors with the notion that it appears as though "sides" are being taken around the world right now. Perhaps this the result of something similar.

The worst case scenario would have to be that the U.S./U.K. N.A.T.O. are actually attempting to goad Pakistan into an open conflict. That would make two nuclear armed powers in a month!

This scenario will have to be watched until something indicating the true purpose shows itself.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well Daddy Bush started the Special Schools for training terrorist, origionally planned on using against Russia.

Well they forgot the fact they think for themselves and have leaders who want to stand beside Iran against the West.

Now Nukes are falling into the hands of extremists, how long did you think it would take before a move would be made in that direction?

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Well Daddy Bush started the Special Schools for training terrorist, origionally planned on using against Russia.

Well they forgot the fact they think for themselves and have leaders who want to stand beside Iran against the West.

Now Nukes are falling into the hands of extremists, how long did you think it would take before a move would be made in that direction?

Rocky, I agree that the organization we know as "Al Qaeda" was a CIA creation, and I agree that many of them were "tossed aside" after Russia was run out of Ahfganistan, and I can even agree with the hypothetical (though without any proof) that weapons, perhaps nuclear, have arrived in the possesion of those who run counter to the west. However, I don't think those concepts can explain the totality of what is happening between Pakistan and the U.S./N.A.T.O. occupiers (though that doesn't mean that you are not correct).

I see a split that isn't explainable by a Tom Clancy'esque discovery of Pakistan "plotting evil". I see a split whose genesis is more likely born from Musharaff denying the West something it wanted that was counter to the sovereignty of Pakistanis, accompanied by an angry "how dare you" reaction on the part of the people who were funneling billions of $'s to them.

I absolutely could be wrong, and again, I see truths in your statement. I think the weeks that follow will bring much clarification on this issue to the "discerning" eye.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so they said no boots on the ground, and now several unmanned Drone attacks have followed.

Think that's enough to keep Pakistan's leaders happy or should we expect more Sabre Rattling?

[Rocky_Shorz]

and by the way, I wasn't speaking about the creation of al Queda...

I am talking about the religious schools created to start training young minds to go against the teaching of Islam, teaching them that cold blooded murder of women and children is an honor...

[Zarathustra]

Rocky,

I don't suspect that Pakistan will be mollified by that, and thanks for the clarification on Al Qaeda, your post makes more sense after it.

Just look at the events of yesterday, Questiny has posted about it, and you can see the ratchet being turned further in that region.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Rocky,

I don't suspect that Pakistan will be mollified by that, and thanks for the clarification on Al Qaeda, your post makes more sense after it.

Just look at the events of yesterday, Questiny has posted about it, and you can see the ratchet being turned further in that region.

Now for another question, Saudis are good friends with Pakistan, if it comes down to war, will they choose the gas hungry American friends that are making them rich, or the religious ties deeply embedded in their society?

[Zarathustra]

Rocky,

I cannot believe that the Saudis view us as anything other than a resource to be used as long as it is convenient. I believe that they waiting for the time when they can disconnect themselves from our influence. When the group of smaller oil producing countries in the region announced that they were going to trade their oil outside of the dollar, no one talked about the Saudis. Could those smaller countries in that region made such a move without the tacit approval, at the very least, of the Saudis? I don't think so.

[Rocky_Shorz]

up to 100 Militants killed

KHAR, Pakistan - Pakistani troops backed by tanks and fighter jets Thursday killed as many as 100 militants in a restive northwestern tribal area near the Afghan border, officials said. Pakistani forces have for weeks been targeting militant positions in Bajaur tribal region in a major operation that has seen more than 600 killed - most of them militants - and more than 260,000 people displaced. "We launched strikes against militant hideouts in Bajaur and destroyed several compounds they were using," a security official, who asked not to be identified, told AFP.

"According to the latest information from the area, between 80 and 100 militants were killed," he said, noting that the figure was based on intelligence intercepts of militant communications.

The official said the strikes were launched after the rebels ambushed a security patrol near the town of Inayat Kili. A market used by the militants for cover was entirely destroyed.

[QUESTINY]

I believe I posted about the Pakistan problem in another post but what is happening is the new President of Pakistan (B. Butto's husband) is making his first trip as president to China and not the US. This sends a very big message. Supposedly one of the main topics of discussion is Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and to see what there options are for treaties and business relationships.

If we lose control of Pakistan we lose control of the majority of shipments and resupply lines to Afghanistan. Roughly 70%. We are trying to do damage control by pulling troops out of Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan.

Make no mistake. Pakistan has sided with China/Russia. We are being surrounded.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by QUESTINY

I believe I posted about the Pakistan problem in another post but what is happening is the new President of Pakistan (B. Butto's husband) is making his first trip as president to China and not the US. This sends a very big message. Supposedly one of the main topics of discussion is Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and to see what there options are for treaties and business relationships.

If we lose control of Pakistan we lose control of the majority of shipments and resupply lines to Afghanistan. Roughly 70%. We are trying to do damage control by pulling troops out of Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan.

Make no mistake. Pakistan has sided with China/Russia. We are being surrounded.

Great find Questiny, if the new president's first trip is to China, that is a sure sign that Pakistan is aligning itself with China. I say this as an American, of course, but should we have expected anything different. We have used our economic and military advantage of recent decades not to improve the world, but to "bully" it into submission. Sooner or later the bully gets "punched in the nose". With the true economic power on the planet lying in China and Russia, Pakistan was sure to turn that way eventually. When we started crossing their borders illegally and killing their citizens, I'm sure that move was already in place.

Questiny,

Think back to the exchange we had the other day about "sides being taken". This is evidence of that.