Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals:

giovonni · 05-29-2009, 09:40 PM

I see the hound missed this one!

Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals:

Published: 19 May 2009 16:31 | Changed: 20 May 2009 15:35

The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty.
During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.

Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.

The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time.

Belgian prisoners

Some reprieve might come from a deal with Belgium, which is facing overpopulation in its prisons. The two countries are working out an agreement to house Belgian prisoners in Dutch prisons. Some five-hundred Belgian prisoners could be transferred to the Tilburg prison by 2010.

The Netherlands would get 30 million euros in the deal, and it will allow the closing of the prisons in Rotterdam and Veenhuizen to be postponed until 2012.

original article from here;
http://www.nrc.nl/international/arti...k_of_criminals

orthodoxymoron · 05-29-2009, 10:00 PM

This is good news. In the U.S...if we could get the CIA to stop bringing drugs into the country...and then make the drug problem a medical issue rather than a legal issue...we could probably close half of our jails and prisons...and have a lot less real crime. Unfortunately...drugs and jails are big business. And then there's that damn black budget...which is allegedly funded, in part, by the illegal drug business. If we removed the secrecy...and had legitimate oversight and funding of the 'black projects'...we might have a much safer world as well. Just speculation. The bad-guys are usually the ones who require secrecy. I'm suspecting that 'national security' may really be malevolent alien and sell-out human security...and severly jeapordize real national security. If this is unfair or inaccurate...I'm very sorry. I hope you guys are doing the right thing...but I smell a snake. I hope the snakes aren't in charge. I hate snakes.

giovonni · 05-29-2009, 10:16 PM

Very keen> observations and insight><orthodoxymoron

246 · 05-29-2009, 10:56 PM

I bet crime the crime rate in The Netherlands is low because they dont prosecute people for ridiculous crimes like marijuana and other things that should be legal that are going to happen anyway that dont hurt anyone. Maybe the U.S. should take the lead and legalize Marijuana and empty their prisons. But no, that would jeopardize jobs and the prison state economy...

alyscat · 05-29-2009, 11:01 PM

as well as jeopardizing the liquor industry - particularly when you can grow it yourself.

Jonathon · 05-29-2009, 11:18 PM

Now THAT's progress!

Soulmate7 · 05-30-2009, 02:10 AM

Being from Belgium, this topic has often been discussed on the news lately. It's not really that there are less criminals in The Netherlands. They use more alternative ways like electronic monitoring or forced labor.

Belgium doesn't have enough prisons, yet this week our minister of foreign affairs made a deal with Clinton about Guantanamo prisoners. They are welcome in Belgium once Guantanamo closes. Typically Belgium.

Humble Janitor · 05-30-2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by alyscat

as well as jeopardizing the liquor industry - particularly when you can grow it yourself.

I'm not sure how it would jeopardize the liquor industry, especially the beer industry.

Just making weed and hemp legal should empty our prisons. Make more room for TPTB themselves.

Machinamentum · 05-30-2009, 06:15 AM

Oh **** ya you could make weed beer oohh man soo good.

Getting high leads to the munchies and sometimes an icy cold beer. It may stimulate the liquor industry?

I see weed being legalized in America after codex is in place and most food is genitally modified.

Help speed up the illnesses. Unless you grow your own food.

05-29-2009, 09:40 PM	#1
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: I see the hound missed this one! Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: Published: 19 May 2009 16:31 \| Changed: 20 May 2009 15:35 The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty. During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees. Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said. The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time. Belgian prisoners Some reprieve might come from a deal with Belgium, which is facing overpopulation in its prisons. The two countries are working out an agreement to house Belgian prisoners in Dutch prisons. Some five-hundred Belgian prisoners could be transferred to the Tilburg prison by 2010. The Netherlands would get 30 million euros in the deal, and it will allow the closing of the prisons in Rotterdam and Veenhuizen to be postponed until 2012. original article from here; http://www.nrc.nl/international/arti...k_of_criminals

05-29-2009, 10:00 PM	#2
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: This is good news. In the U.S...if we could get the CIA to stop bringing drugs into the country...and then make the drug problem a medical issue rather than a legal issue...we could probably close half of our jails and prisons...and have a lot less real crime. Unfortunately...drugs and jails are big business. And then there's that damn black budget...which is allegedly funded, in part, by the illegal drug business. If we removed the secrecy...and had legitimate oversight and funding of the 'black projects'...we might have a much safer world as well. Just speculation. The bad-guys are usually the ones who require secrecy. I'm suspecting that 'national security' may really be malevolent alien and sell-out human security...and severly jeapordize real national security. If this is unfair or inaccurate...I'm very sorry. I hope you guys are doing the right thing...but I smell a snake. I hope the snakes aren't in charge. I hate snakes. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 05-29-2009 at 10:06 PM.

05-29-2009, 10:16 PM	#3
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: *Very keen> observations and insight><orthodoxymoron*

05-29-2009, 10:56 PM	#4
246 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: near Toronto Posts: 81	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: I bet crime the crime rate in The Netherlands is low because they dont prosecute people for ridiculous crimes like marijuana and other things that should be legal that are going to happen anyway that dont hurt anyone. Maybe the U.S. should take the lead and legalize Marijuana and empty their prisons. But no, that would jeopardize jobs and the prison state economy...

05-29-2009, 11:01 PM	#5
alyscat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Washington state Posts: 743	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: as well as jeopardizing the liquor industry - particularly when you can grow it yourself.

05-29-2009, 11:18 PM	#6
Jonathon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 208	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: Now THAT's progress!

05-30-2009, 02:10 AM	#7
Soulmate7 Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 153	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: Being from Belgium, this topic has often been discussed on the news lately. It's not really that there are less criminals in The Netherlands. They use more alternative ways like electronic monitoring or forced labor. Belgium doesn't have enough prisons, yet this week our minister of foreign affairs made a deal with Clinton about Guantanamo prisoners. They are welcome in Belgium once Guantanamo closes. Typically Belgium.

05-30-2009, 06:15 AM	#9
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals: Oh **** ya you could make weed beer oohh man soo good. Getting high leads to the munchies and sometimes an icy cold beer. It may stimulate the liquor industry? I see weed being legalized in America after codex is in place and most food is genitally modified. Help speed up the illnesses. Unless you grow your own food.