The Dark Forces & the Spectrum of Consciousnes

[Carmen]

I have a question I would like answered: In my understanding people of limited consciousness do not make it to the light. They are therefore stuck in the various levels of the astral realm. They do not reincarnate.

Those who make it to the light realm get to reincarnate from the light (third level) reincarnate, but generally with no conscious memory of life before birth. Hence they are on the cycle of reincarnation.

Those who go beyond the light (4th level and higher) get to choose where they go generally.

Getting back to the question¡ If the dark forces keep it all in the family so to speak, and they indoctrinate (mind control the children) they are obviously limited in consciousness. Do they reincarnate or do they just fill up the astral realm. How do they achieve continuity of their darstedly controlled bloodline?

Any clues?:n ono:

[Carmen]

No!!!!!!!

Does nobody have an answer for me???????

[Josefine]

Just read yr post, Carmen.

This has been a major puzzle for me and my reference groups for years. The answer that I gave in connection with the Hidden Hand thread was something of a breakthrough insight that came this fall. It does not give a full answer, though.

As a deliberate limitation of access to the spiritual realm is created, it most likely involves the cooperation of non-human/off-planet entities. It does not mean that these entities are of less light, though. Just that they do not connect to all their subtle bodies. This is my impression.

Not all of these families apply trauma-based mind-control, it seems. Or else, the 'spell' can be broken in ways that we are only dimly aware of.
The former Pindar, who passed on a few years ago, certainly accessed full connection with the midway path of non-duality and love through a shift in perception, just like any of us do. Moreover, he could see the proof it the deep truth of it everywhere. He had been so blind in spite of tremendous knowledge and insight.

He belonged to the Order of the Golden Fleece and The Druidic council of 13. He tried to affect those he worked with after his shift in perception, but to no avail. In that sense he felt as frustrated as the rest of us do when we try to share our insights. The people that the Pindar worked with have immense knowledge and insight, they are true scholars. They are like the biblical NT workd on love: If you have all knowledge and no love, you are like sounding cymbals and clanking bells but lacking in the true essence that all creation is made of: love.

We have just been told that this will be the year of the Dragon, and not in an astrological sense. Maybe this will be the year that more light is shed on this and other puzzles.

[Mercuriel]

"I have a question I would like answered: In my understanding people of limited consciousness do not make it to the light. They are therefore stuck in the various levels of the astral realm. They do not reincarnate."

This is My understanding. No - While some may remain "Lukewarm" and not reach Enlightenment - Reincarnation is the safety valve Prime Creator - The First Source and Center of All Things - Father / Mother / God - The Is-ness - Has left for those aspects of Self so They may remain viable, even though They may fall a few steps back now and then.

Those Who choose Annihilation by renouncing Source, utterly void Their chances at reincarnation and redemption back to Source - Hence They're uncreated as They ultimately don't believe in Themselves as aspects of, and thereby return Their energy back to the Even Pool after dissolution...

That said, most Souls have experienced Reincarnation in their path through this School (3D/4D that is) on their way back to Source, and will continue to do so as long as there are aspects of Source that are redeemable and reclaimable, or still on their path through the Schools. Also - Incarnation and Reincarnation is another way for the Ascendancy / Descendancy to provide Service to Others by recycling those Gifted to do so, upon completion of Their various Divine Missions.

"Those who make it to the light realm get to reincarnate from the light (third level) reincarnate, but generally with no conscious memory of life before birth. Hence they are on the cycle of reincarnation."

If You manage to reach Enlightenment and are able to translate the 3rd/4th Density - Out of Reincarnation and into Light and Life (5D or Higher) - Memory DOES translate and is retained by You. Its Reincarnation in the 3D that the Veil is part and parcel of.

"Those who go beyond the light (4th level and higher) get to choose where they go generally."

Perhaps, but its more a question of where can One best Serve Others. You'll likely go where You're needed not only to assist in more Light and Life Intiatives - But to further Your own advancement through the other Higher Schools of Learning as You move back to Source on Your path...

In the Higher realities - The competition is to see Who can help more or assist others more. Thats the competition at Higher Levels of reality.

"Getting back to the question¡ If the dark forces keep it all in the family so to speak, and they indoctrinate (mind control the children) they are obviously limited in consciousness. Do they reincarnate or do they just fill up the astral realm. How do they achieve continuity of their darstedly controlled bloodline?"

This is how its achieved. The First of them will incarnate into the World of Man from the 4th and maintain contact with Their counterparts NOT Incarnate, yet. They will foster a Family first, and then a movement in which at a certain age - The Human Family or Group Member is then prepared through ritual and mind control techniques / abuse until Their Psyche fractures. Then They can be "Indwelt" by another Neg 4th Entity - Again after the preparation and sometimes willing participation of the Person to be Indwelt. This is how They maintain Their Control Eon after Eon - Always with some of Them Incarnate Holding the Knowledge tight - While Others assist them from beyond this current Octave of the 4th...

Are We in the 4th You might ask. Why - Yes We are...

Length - Width - Height - Time - 4D...

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Carmen

I have a question I would like answered: In my understanding people of limited consciousness do not make it to the light. They are therefore stuck in the various levels of the astral realm. They do not reincarnate.

Those who make it to the light realm get to reincarnate from the light (third level) reincarnate, but generally with no conscious memory of life before birth. Hence they are on the cycle of reincarnation.

Those who go beyond the light (4th level and higher) get to choose where they go generally.

Getting back to the question¡ If the dark forces keep it all in the family so to speak, and they indoctrinate (mind control the children) they are obviously limited in consciousness. Do they reincarnate or do they just fill up the astral realm. How do they achieve continuity of their darstedly controlled bloodline?

Any clues?:n ono:

Hello there Carmen.

My knowledge on this is strictly limited to studying past life regressions and near death experiences (i havent died myself yet). From what im aware most souls make it to the 'light' or are guided there under a lot of circumstances.

Its most unusual for a soul to not know that it is dead but it does happen. For instance someone who has died a tragic death such as in war, or someone who has been murdered may not realise that they are dead but sooner or later they will come to that conclusion when they find themselves floating around the astral which is noticably different from this dimension.

When you consider that Hitler was guided to the light its hard to imagine that there would be anything other then very few circumstances where a soul is not shown -or unaware of- the light. And it would be out of ignorance/denial/pain etc which would mellow out eventually im sure.


If this subject interests you theres an awesome selection of books by Doloras Cannon out there. She's been doing hypnotic past life regression for the past god knows how long and has documented hundreds of cases where a client would die in their 'past life regression' and pass to the other side. PM me if youd like to know where you can read these for free.

[Carmen]

Thank you Josefine, the more I learn about this, the more complexity there seems to be. The key to bridging to the higher consciousness is that of unconditional love, the balance point of male and female, of all polarities. Maybe a big part of the split between humanity and the spiritual realm has been the subjugation of woman, the abuse of the feminine. Afterall the elite/dark forces seems to be a very male dominated heirachy. Surely the females, the mothers (they must birth children, unless they are cloned?) would want to protect their children even if they are part of the dark?

Is it that the children are indoctrinated from birth even though they have come from the light. I understood that low level consciousnesses didnt necessarity make it to the light (third level), but remained stuck in the astral level.

You are right Josefine, Love is the key, but not the low level conditional love understood by many humans.

[Carmen]

Okaaaaay! Thanks Mercuriel, that is the answer to my question. They come in with memory intact and keep the contact intact with the dark agenda! Heavvvvvy stuff!!!!! And they keep the secret all in the family.

[Carmen]

Hi Jack Yes I do understand about the afterlife stuff I just couldn't quite work out how the dark forces kept the continuity going. Possession. Very creepy!!!

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Mercuriel

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This is how its achieved. The First of them will incarnate into the World of Man from the 4th and maintain contact with Their counterparts NOT Incarnate, yet. They will foster a Family first, and then a movement in which at a certain age - The Human Family or Group Member is then prepared through ritual and mind control techniques / abuse until Their Psyche fractures. Then They can be "Indwelt" by another Neg 4th Entity - Again after the preparation and sometimes willing participation of the Person to be Indwelt. This is how They maintain Their Control Eon after Eon - Always with some of Them Incarnate Holding the Knowledge tight - While Others assist them from beyond this current Octave of the 4th...

Fantastic! Yes, this was the rest of the insight we received a few monhts ago. Thank you.
(I was going to refresh my memory by looking through the papers. Now you did it for me).

'This will be the year of the Dragon
Not in an astrological sense
but in a mythical ..
Hold on to what you know
and the veils will not distress.'

Promises to be an interesting year.

J

[Carmen]

What does the year of the Dragon mean Josefine

[Lunaris]

funny to see i was going to mention delores cannon myself but see it was already mentioned..i have been utterly rivited by her books of late and am reading "the custodians" at this very moment...

so now that that is a good start..here is my story...i have had some experiences with seeing aliens, communications with such, strange time lapses ( either loosing time or speeding it up )...being attacked by "spirits" , night paralysis, etc etc etc..

i also had come up with my very own theory of time and past lives..what i just "knew" was real for "me"...i had mentioned it to some other people and they although impressed with my "imagination" said "wow man..you need to get out more..are you lonely?"

ahahhaha..

so...i was looking up delores cannon to just do more research on the subject and had really no insight into what she did but was interested as i wanted to have a past life regression myself..

so i found this video..and it blew my mind...about halfway though she completely varbatim repeated my own "crackpot" version of what time and past lives really are "in her opinion"!!!

that really blew my mind! yet she talks about "the library" in her books...this is a place we can all access in astral travels and get info on whatever we want..so this explains how i came up with this info...

http://www.viddler.com/explore/endgamenow/videos/46/

here is that link..she speaks for almost two hours on it and it is very very interesting..

so..after this i have been going to see a chanellor/crystal healer...this woman is utterly amazing! we started the session by her telling me that i feel like when i wake up i am more tired than i was before i went to bed. very true. i told her about the "dream" i had the very previous night...there was this boy i was trying to "save" i kept telling him he can leave this place we were in..he was not trapped there as he thought! i had gone lucid you see and knew i was dreaming...so he freaks out and i loose him in this crowd of so many people...then i find these two girls and i tell them 'we are dreaming! this isn't real! here watch me! i will fly i will prove to you this isn't real!"

so i started floating then i flew and went up into this palm tree...all these people were gathered around it..and i said "check this out!" and i flung myself so fast into the sky i went right into space...

while she was chanelling to me and talking to my guides she started laughing and laughing...my guides told her that not only am i trying to "rescue" people in my waking life..when i "sleep" i astral travel then try and "rescue" people on the other side. they said that i know addiction exsists there as well as here because i saw this. they said that my problem is that i am like a "free-for-all" that i send out the message that EVERYONE is welcome to my energy as i thought we were all equals..so what ended up happening was that negative beings seeing that i won't turn them away come in and make loads of trouble..why not? i gave them permission.

so i had to start discerning who i was to "welcome' into my energy..both in waking and in sleeping.

apparantly i haven't been lucid dreaming i have actually been going all over the place.

she has done a lot of work on me to "ground" me..as they all know i hate it here so much that i just leave my body all the time. she was laughing when she told me that i basically come back to earth only to eat!

so what i have seen myself is a lot of people,lost and confused as they are here and not knowing where they are or why.

sometimes i go on ships and that is different. the last alien i saw was like nothing i ever read about..he was nice though..

anyway..

i am still breaking through the veils myself..

has anyone else seen or experienced anything like this??

[Carmen]

Thanks Lunaris, YOu and Jack have both recommended Delores Cannon. I'd better look up the books and check it out for myself. And hang in their, don't float off just yet, we need you!¡

[Lunaris]

hi carmen!

yeah her books are so great! i have to be careful on my lunch breaks cuz once i start reading i just can't put the book down!

check out that link...its in my previous post!

its delores cannon speaking about all this stuff...

tell me what you think!

ahhahahaa! i am trying my bestest to stay grounded! i am putting rocks in all my pockets!

whooooooooooooooo!

[asteram]

One addition I would add to the discussion of indwelling by families of entities controlling the planet for their agenda:

I was told about twenty years ago that these families actually have technology to enable the process; The soul memories are stored after death and downloaded into a new body when it is born. I didn't get the impression that this was physical technology, but still technology.

[Carmen]

Thanks for all those answers Josefine, Jack, Mercuriel, Lunaris asteram. I appreciate that. Will check out that video tomorrow, looks good but a bit too long for tonight

Cheers to all

Carmen

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Carmen

Thank you Josefine, the more I learn about this, the more complexity there seems to be. The key to bridging to the higher consciousness is that of unconditional love, the balance point of male and female, of all polarities. Maybe a big part of the split between humanity and the spiritual realm has been the subjugation of woman, the abuse of the feminine. Afterall the elite/dark forces seems to be a very male dominated heirachy. Surely the females, the mothers (they must birth children, unless they are cloned?) would want to protect their children even if they are part of the dark?

Is it that the children are indoctrinated from birth even though they have come from the light. I understood that low level consciousnesses didnt necessarity make it to the light (third level), but remained stuck in the astral level.

You are right Josefine, Love is the key, but not the low level conditional love understood by many humans.

Sorry I could not hang in there.

It is the mind united into the heart, the heart-mind, that is the key.
The heart is incorruptible, but the mind is easily corrupted. When it is brought into the heart, the dualities unite and give a new focus. It is like the lenses of our two eyes, in unison they give us clarity of vision - in depth.

This unity gives us bravery, we lose the fear of death and damnation.

In a way this is the theme in 'The Wizard of Oz', uniting the lost pieces.

Yes, I have had trouble understanding how the women in these families cope with the traditions they are born into.

But look, women are easy prey to the human mind system, just as males are. The 'Svali' story says a lot about the power of the family fait-accompli: 'Take it or leave it! With us you'll have power, knowledge, wealth, support. Leave us and you are on your own or worse: We may go after you and end your life.'
Often the trauma-based mind control is applied in the first couple of years of life, and the psyche is shattered. When anything traumatic occurs, the mind clings one of the shattered pieces in defense against what is occurring.

Examples of historic female weakness: Mothers are the ones who are mainly responsible for keeping up the tradition of mutilation of the female sex organ alive. Jewish mothers relinquish their baby boys to circumscision in the hands of orthodox Rabbis who endanger the baby's life by using his unclean mouth to suck up the blood. They do not want to know what is going on as long as the baby becomes an accepted member of the clan. Roman Catholic mothers leave their children in the hands of pedophile priests. The list goes on.

Chinese mothers no doubt actively supported the binding of their daugthers' feet for all those centuries, no matter how painful it was, just to adhere to societal norm.

Mothers in all cultures have turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of their children by members of their families, out of fear for the personal consequences.

It happens through cowardice and bribery, yes. But we are easy prey to fear, guilt and shame.

A gentle shift in perception changes that, for men and women alike: This is an illusionary reality, created by our brain. The larger reality beckons and once we align with that, we are freed from the temptation and coercion to stay in the lower illusion. We can remain in the world, with the little inner Buddha smile on our lips, and with a capacity to forgive, ourselves and each other.

The Judeo-Christian god without the wisdom aspect is the unipolar male aspect. This leaves out the female aspect, plus the body and the natural world as a whole. This is also the origin of gnosis, where the body is seen as a prison for the soul, a curse. This has given rise to the Cartesian world view of the universe as a machine, and to all kinds of shattered scientific postulations. It weakens the female aspect of the male and the male aspect of the female as well. Creativity is weakened.

The body may transform into the light body, and thanks to TheGreatWork777 I have learned today that the light body is spoken of in the bible as the wedding garment that unites spirit and matter, body and soul. It is really the soul covering the body as 'electromagnetic' (for lack of a more presice term) energy making it glow with a golden light. It happens when all our subtle bodies are aligned and we are in a state of total balance.

As for the year of the Dragon, I have to surmise, we received it yesterday: I think it involves the shattering of veils. Maybe it means the beast will belly-up? Maybe the beast will have a field day before it vanishes, who knows? We have to wait and see.

It is going to be a good year, no matter what happens.

We are truly here to put Humpty-Dumpty together again, no matter what the king's men are saying about such a lost project.

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Carmen

I have a question I would like answered: In my understanding people of limited consciousness do not make it to the light. They are therefore stuck in the various levels of the astral realm. They do not reincarnate.

Those who make it to the light realm get to reincarnate from the light (third level) reincarnate, but generally with no conscious memory of life before birth. Hence they are on the cycle of reincarnation.

Those who go beyond the light (4th level and higher) get to choose where they go generally.

Getting back to the question¡ If the dark forces keep it all in the family so to speak, and they indoctrinate (mind control the children) they are obviously limited in consciousness. Do they reincarnate or do they just fill up the astral realm. How do they achieve continuity of their darstedly controlled bloodline?

Any clues?:n ono:

What amazed me is that every point on this post, is what the illuminati named "Hidden Hand" talks about and IS luciferianism (ancient secret mistery religions teachings).

The "externalization of the hierarchy" (luciferianism to the masses) in the purest form like Alice a Bailey and the illuminati defector John Todd told a long ago.

Cheers?

[K626]

Originally Posted by Carmen

I have a question I would like answered: In my understanding people of limited consciousness do not make it to the light. They are therefore stuck in the various levels of the astral realm. They do not reincarnate.

Those who make it to the light realm get to reincarnate from the light (third level) reincarnate, but generally with no conscious memory of life before birth. Hence they are on the cycle of reincarnation.

Those who go beyond the light (4th level and higher) get to choose where they go generally.

Getting back to the question¡ If the dark forces keep it all in the family so to speak, and they indoctrinate (mind control the children) they are obviously limited in consciousness. Do they reincarnate or do they just fill up the astral realm. How do they achieve continuity of their darstedly controlled bloodline?

Any clues?:n ono:

Light and dark is of equal value one must work with both.

[Carmen]

Thank you Josefine, Yes being part of a 'tribe' is/was survival. And that has been and still is the bottom line with mothers with children. They will compramize for the sake of their children. Hopefully that is changing and it has to.

777The Great Words thread was a wonderful explaintion of the Golden Body. Makes complete sense. Aren't we fortunate to have such thinkers and researchers on this forum.

Ashatav, please do explain your take on all this, what you positively believe in, not what you pull to bits, and please talk slowly, Im a slow learner!!!

Love to All

Carmen