Anglers arrested and DNA tested by anti-terror police

Antaletriangle · 03-25-2009, 12:23 PM

Anglers arrested and DNA tested by anti-terror police for using laser pens to scare ducks

By Arthur Martin
Last updated at 11:12 PM on 24th March 2009

Fishing quietly by a lake, Martin Kailus and his middle-aged friends made for an unlikely trio of terrorists.

The police, however, begged to differ. To the bemusement of the anglers, ten officers swooped and arrested them under anti-terror laws.
They claimed the men were using laser pens to endanger aeroplanes flying overhead.

Arrested: Anglers Mick Radomski, right, and Martin Kailus had their fingerprints taken after officers believed the laser pens they were using to scare away ducks were being aimed at passing aircraft

The fishermen explained they were actually using the £20 pocket devices to ward off ducks which could get caught up in their lines.
Nonetheless, the officers took them to a police station where they were interrogated by members of the 'terror squad'.
The anglers had their fingerprints taken and were forced to give DNA swabs.
One was released without charge after two hours. The other two had to spend ten hours in cells before they were released, also without being charged.
Although no further action will be taken, their fingerprints and DNA remain on national databases.
Last night, Mr Kailus, 57, of Woodley, near Reading, described the police's behaviour as 'pathetic'.
A laser pen similar to the ones used by the anglers. The pocket-sized torches - a common device among anglers - are used to ward off ducks in danger of becoming caught up in fishing tackle
'I was gobsmacked when they said they were arresting us and couldn't believe it,' the builder said.
'I thought they were having a laugh. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of manpower and time.'
Mr Kailus, his close friend Mick Radomski, 53, and a third unnamed man had been fishing for carp at a lake near their homes on the evening of March 6.
They were approached by a local police officer and two community support officers, who asked why the fishermen were using the laser pens.
Once they had shown the officers their fishing licences and explained how they used the devices to discourage ducks, they expected to be allowed to continue.
However, about an hour later they were surrounded by seven more police officers, who arrested them under the Air Navigation Order 2005.
Mr Radomski, a father-of-three who also lives in Woodley, felt 'humiliated' when he had to explain to his wife what had happened. 'We are all men in our 40s and 50s and we were using the lasers to scare ducks,' the driver said.
'I can't believe the police really could have thought we were terrorists. I am not a terrorist and I object to having all my DNA details and fingerprints on a police database. They wouldn't even give us our pens back - it is farcical.'
The green laser pens have a range of about a mile and are commonly used by anglers.
A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said several aircraft pilots have been dazzled by lasers shining up from the ground during the past 12 months.
Planes from Heathrow often pass over the Woodley area. But they fly at 8,000ft, well out of the range of the fishermen's laser pens.

Northern Boy · 03-25-2009, 01:32 PM

as no crime was committed and no charges laid they have the right to demand the return of their property that was taken from them and they should only have to provide those samples upon being charged not before hand Simply providing the samples or being forced to provide them all they have to do is provide them after stating the fact that they were doing so under duress and it must be noted on the documents that it was being done under duress and with out consent.

03-25-2009, 12:23 PM	#1
Antaletriangle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 3,380	Anglers arrested and DNA tested by anti-terror police Anglers arrested and DNA tested by anti-terror police for using laser pens to scare ducks By Arthur Martin Last updated at 11:12 PM on 24th March 2009 Fishing quietly by a lake, Martin Kailus and his middle-aged friends made for an unlikely trio of terrorists. The police, however, begged to differ. To the bemusement of the anglers, ten officers swooped and arrested them under anti-terror laws. They claimed the men were using laser pens to endanger aeroplanes flying overhead. Arrested: Anglers Mick Radomski, right, and Martin Kailus had their fingerprints taken after officers believed the laser pens they were using to scare away ducks were being aimed at passing aircraft The fishermen explained they were actually using the £20 pocket devices to ward off ducks which could get caught up in their lines. Nonetheless, the officers took them to a police station where they were interrogated by members of the 'terror squad'. The anglers had their fingerprints taken and were forced to give DNA swabs. One was released without charge after two hours. The other two had to spend ten hours in cells before they were released, also without being charged. Although no further action will be taken, their fingerprints and DNA remain on national databases. Last night, Mr Kailus, 57, of Woodley, near Reading, described the police's behaviour as 'pathetic'. A laser pen similar to the ones used by the anglers. The pocket-sized torches - a common device among anglers - are used to ward off ducks in danger of becoming caught up in fishing tackle 'I was gobsmacked when they said they were arresting us and couldn't believe it,' the builder said. 'I thought they were having a laugh. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of manpower and time.' Mr Kailus, his close friend Mick Radomski, 53, and a third unnamed man had been fishing for carp at a lake near their homes on the evening of March 6. They were approached by a local police officer and two community support officers, who asked why the fishermen were using the laser pens. Once they had shown the officers their fishing licences and explained how they used the devices to discourage ducks, they expected to be allowed to continue. However, about an hour later they were surrounded by seven more police officers, who arrested them under the Air Navigation Order 2005. Mr Radomski, a father-of-three who also lives in Woodley, felt 'humiliated' when he had to explain to his wife what had happened. 'We are all men in our 40s and 50s and we were using the lasers to scare ducks,' the driver said. 'I can't believe the police really could have thought we were terrorists. I am not a terrorist and I object to having all my DNA details and fingerprints on a police database. They wouldn't even give us our pens back - it is farcical.' The green laser pens have a range of about a mile and are commonly used by anglers. A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said several aircraft pilots have been dazzled by lasers shining up from the ground during the past 12 months. Planes from Heathrow often pass over the Woodley area. But they fly at 8,000ft, well out of the range of the fishermen's laser pens.

03-25-2009, 01:32 PM	#2
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Anglers arrested and DNA tested by anti-terror police as no crime was committed and no charges laid they have the right to demand the return of their property that was taken from them and they should only have to provide those samples upon being charged not before hand Simply providing the samples or being forced to provide them all they have to do is provide them after stating the fact that they were doing so under duress and it must be noted on the documents that it was being done under duress and with out consent. Last edited by Northern Boy; 03-25-2009 at 01:37 PM.