Israeli Professor - 'We Could Destroy All European Capitals'

[Antaletriangle]

http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm
This is what we have to deal with-a 'professor' that advocates incredible aggression towards the entire planet!!
By Nadim Ladki
2-6-3

(IAP News) -- An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans.

Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons.

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force."

Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that "collective deportation" was Israel's only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people.

"The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent."

Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians.

"I think it's quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed."

Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."

Creveld argued that Israel wouldn't care much about becoming a rogue state.

"Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under."

Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)
http://www.iap.org

[Humble Janitor]

Funny how he likes to brag like that, such a child bragging about his collection of G.I Joe figures.

"We can destroy everyone! We are powerful! All hail us!"

Talk about ego, ego and more ego.

[Avid]

Why isn't this on the BBC???

[burgundia]

maybe it's time to bomb israel, so called preventive strike?

[Antaletriangle]

This is the crazy part- the western allied forces handed over some land to the jews in '47/48 ish somewhere for them to get their heads dine and get on with it after the holocaust ,now you get an Israeli professor talking like this -i don't know about the quote biting the hand that feeds?Those are the real 'attributes' of a mad dog as he quotes!The west also supplied the Israeli's with their Nukes also.Sheer madness.Illuminati in full swing methinks.

[oldpaganfreak]

israeli zionists are at least as bad as the third reich.
this is a scary article for sure. i can only hope that the professor 'was talking through his hat' and that this is not the opinion of the average israeli.
not all israelis are zionists, thank the gods.

[Antaletriangle]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

israeli zionists are at least as bad as the third reich.
this is a scary article for sure. i can only hope that the professor 'was talking through his hat' and that this is not the opinion of the average israeli.
not all israelis are zionists, thank the gods.

I agree with what you say; what i find a little disconcerting is that academia are taking this aggressive,extremist stance.

[oldpaganfreak]

i find the entire situation disconcerting. i find it amazing that the zionist can use the holocast as an excuse to do the same to others. i find the whole holocast thing disconcerting too. millions were killed, but they were not all jews. they were also gypsies, queers, communists, political dissidents and anyone else that they didn't like.
this part of the issue is seldom mentioned or acknowledged. it's like the only deaths that are 'important' are those of the jews.

[Antaletriangle]

Very true my friend; all sorts of 'societal misfits' were incinerated as 'sub human'-the final solution and all that s**t.

I'd say, go ahead. Then we can finally limp and die to this drummer. The suspense is killing me.

But: If I were Jewish, after the loss of many loved ones in WW2, I probably would be inclined to militarize myself up the yin yang too. I'm not much for idle threats, so do it or not. First, check Nazi fluoride story re inability to fight back...(take 2 years!!)

I see: A 2-state geographical area, porous. Pomegranates for all.

love & light - even to Mr. Destrukto



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[judykott]

Let's not forget the killing started with their own,the german children who were handicapped physically or mentally in World War 2. Then there is Stalin who killed more people than Hitler, and the various Popes of the Catholic church in history have killed more Christians (heretics). Killing is an ugly business all around and there have been many holocausts. The definition has come to mean the jewish holocaust which is a huge injustictice to all who died. It means destruction or slaughter on a mass scale. There are holocausts going on right now in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza, and countless African nations.

[judykott]

It is to be noted that the Holocaust for example was rarely mentioned, even by Jews, up until the mid 60's. The Soviets were the enemy now and would have taken the most brutal award back then had the West known exactly what was happening behind the Iron curtain ( Let alone what was going on in Mao's domain).

After the 67 Israeli war however, the perception of having Israel as an ally became entrenched in the Elite American circles ( Jew and non-Jew). It is at this point that suddenly, the Holocaust is a very practical tool to use politically to further support Israel. In the 50's, the World Zionist Congress would not beat down the Germans too much because it was important to have West Germany as a strong and important ally. Once it was back up ( And able to be financially exploited), and this new perception of Israel could be profitable, suddenly Hitler and the old Germany became the evil boggey man of all times.

Stalin's army raped 2 million women in East Prussia in a period of 6 months, raped another 45,000 women in Berlin in a 3 day period.(3 million civilianswere also killed) These were only those incidents in the end of the war. This type of information, though true, was not profitable, but exploiting Germanys past suddenly became so.

Hitler gets the attention because it became more politically convenient and profitable. It would be also dificult to defend a Potsdam conference where the West gave up half of Europe to Soviet brutality if indeed that brutality was worse than Hitlers. That was sadly the case though...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6231555AAKnBS7
Twentieth Century Atlas -Death tolls
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20 000 000 [make link]
There are basically two schools of thought when it comes to the number who died at Stalin's hands. There's the "Why doesn't anyone realize that communism is the absolutely worst thing ever to hit the human race, without exception, even worse than both world wars, the slave trade and bubonic plague all put together?" school, and there's the "Come on, stop exaggerating. The truth is horrifying enough without you pulling numbers out of thin air" school. The two schools are generally associated with the right and left wings of the political spectrum, and they often accuse each other of being blinded by prejudice, stubbornly refusing to admit the truth, and maybe even having a hidden agenda. Also, both sides claim that recent access to former Soviet archives has proven that their side is right.
Here are a few illustrative estimates from the Big Numbers school:
Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993 cites these:
Chistyakovoy, V. (Neva, no.10): 20 million killed during the 1930s.
Dyadkin, I.G. (Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR 1918-1956 ): 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.
Gold, John.: 50-60 million.
Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998): c. 50 million killed 1924-53, excluding WW2 war losses. This would divide (more or less) into 33M pre-war and 17M after 1939.
Rummel, 1990: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years. This divides up into:
1923-29: 2,200,000 (plus 1M non-democidal famine deaths)
1929-39: 15,785,000 (plus 2M non-democidal famine)
1939-45: 18,157,000
1946-54: 15,613,000 (plus 333,000 non-democidal famine)
TOTAL: 51,755,000 democides and 3,333,000 non-demo. famine
William Cockerham, Health and Social Change in Russia and Eastern Europe: 50M+
Wallechinsky: 13M (1930-32) + 7M (1934-38)
Cited by Wallechinsky:
Medvedev, Roy (Let History Judge): 40 million.
Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr: 60 million.
MEDIAN: 51 million for the entire Stalin Era; 20M during the 1930s.
And from the Lower Numbers school:
Nove, Alec ("Victims of Stalinism: How Many?" in J. Arch Getty (ed.) Stalinist Terror: New Perspectives, 1993): 9,500,000 "surplus deaths" during the 1930s.
Cited in Nove:
Maksudov, S. (Poteri naseleniya SSSR, 1989): 9.8 million abnormal deaths between 1926 and 1937.
Tsaplin, V.V. ("Statistika zherty naseleniya v 30e gody" 1989): 6,600,000 deaths (hunger, camps and prisons) between the 1926 and 1937 censuses.
Dugin, A. ("Stalinizm: legendy i fakty" 1989): 642,980 counterrevolutionaries shot 1921-53.
Muskovsky Novosti (4 March 1990): 786,098 state prisoners shot, 1931-53.
Gordon, A. (What Happened in That Time?, 1989, cited in Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993): 8-9 million during the 1930s.
Ponton, G. (The Soviet Era, 1994): cites an 1990 article by Milne, et al., that excess deaths 1926-39 were likely 3.5 million and at most 8 million.
MEDIAN: 8.5 Million during the 1930s.
As you can see, there's no easy compromise between the two schools. The Big Numbers are so high that picking the midpoint between the two schools would still give us a Big Number. It may appear to be a rather pointless argument -- whether it's fifteen or fifty million, it's still a huge number of killings -- but keep in mind that the population of the Soviet Union was 164 million in 1937, so the upper estimates accuse Stalin of killing nearly 1 out of every 3 of his people, an extremely Polpotian level of savagery. The lower numbers, on the other hand, leave Stalin with plenty of people still alive to fight off the German invasion.
[Letter]
Although it's too early to be taking sides with absolute certainty, a consensus seems to be forming around a death toll of 20 million. This would adequately account for all documented nastiness without straining credulity:
In The Great Terror (1969), Robert Conquest suggested that the overall death toll was 20 million at minimum -- and very likely 50% higher, or 30 million. This would divide roughly as follows: 7M in 1930-36; 3M in 1937-38; 10M in 1939-53. By the time he wrote The Great Terror: A Re-assessment (1992), Conquest was much more confident that 20 million was the likeliest death toll.
Britannica, "Stalinism": 20M died in camps, of famine, executions, etc., citing Medvedev
Brzezinski: 20-25 million, dividing roughly as follows: 7M destroying the peasantry; 12M in labor camps; 1M excuted during and after WW2.
Daniel Chirot:
"Lowest credible" estimate: 20M
"Highest": 40M
Citing:
Conquest: 20M
Antonov-Ovseyenko: 30M
Medvedev: 40M
Courtois, Stephane, Black Book of Communism (Le Livre Noir du Communism): 20M for the whole history of Soviet Union, 1917-91.
Essay by Nicolas Werth: 15M
[Ironic observation: The Black Book of Communism seems to vote for Hitler as the answer to the question of who's worse, Hitler (25M) or Stalin (20M).]
John Heidenrich, How to Prevent Genocide: A Guide for Policymakers, Scholars, and the Concerned Citizen (2001): 20M, incl.
Kulaks: 7M
Gulag: 12M
Purge: 1.2M (minus 50,000 survivors)
Adam Hochschild, The Unquiet Ghost: Russians Remember Stalin: directly responsible for 20 million deaths.
Tina Rosenberg, The Haunted Land: Facing Europes Ghosts After Communism (1995): upwards of 25M
Time Magazine (13 April 1998): 15-20 million.
AVERAGE: Of the 17 estimates of the total number of victims of Stalin, the median is 30 million.
Individual Gulags etc.
Kolyma
Kuropaty
Vorkuta
Bykivnia
Famine, 1926-38
Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997): 4.2M in Ukraine + 1.7M in Kazakhstan
Green, Barbara ("Stalinist Terror and the Question of Genocide: the Great Famine" in Rosenbaum, Is the Holocaust Unique?) cites these sources for the number who died in the famine:
Nove: 3.1-3.2M in Ukraine, 1933
Maksudov: 4.4M in Ukraine, 1927-38
Mace: 5-7M in Ukraine
Osokin: 3.35M in USSR, 1933
Wheatcraft: 4-5M in USSR, 1932-33
Conquest:
Total, USSR, 1926-37: 11M
1932-33: 7M
Ukraine: 5M

[Humble Janitor]

Why does it matter HOW MANY people were killed?

The fact that the killings took place in such a brutal fashion is bad enough.

[judykott]

Humble Janitor

Even one being killed is too many, the point of posting the list from that Atlas is there have been many holocausts and to focus on only one of them is an injustice to those who have died in all of the others. The point being any holoaust, any death and destruction is abhorrent. Hopefully people will hear the rhetoric of the Israeli Professor and see that the Israeli government has been hijacked as many others have been to a very sick agenda.

[oldpaganfreak]

an then there is the current, ongoing palestinian holocast. in the last couple of weeks, there were over 1200 palestine deaths and 13 israeli, almost half of those israeli deaths were friendly fire. that does not sound like self defense, that sounds more like genocide. how many palestinian deaths have occurred since the allies and the israelis stole their country from them in 1948?

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by judykott

Humble Janitor

Even one being killed is too many, the point of posting the list from that Atlas is there have been many holocausts and to focus on only one of them is an injustice to those who have died in all of the others. The point being any holoaust, any death and destruction is abhorrent. Hopefully people will hear the rhetoric of the Israeli Professor and see that the Israeli government has been hijacked as many others have been to a very sick agenda.

That is a good point but the problem is that American politicians have often claimed that Stalin was worse than Hitler when it should have been obvious that both were horrible despots.

As for the attention focused on certain holocausts, the internet can be a great tool to find out more about other holocausts and if traditional media choose to ignore said holocausts, the internet can certainly take over in informing people.