[Kulapops]

thanks for the thread, lots of useful info to read up on, thank you.

I do wonder about free energy though... because my physics teacher always said matter can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed from one form into another.

Hence it makes sense what you say about 'losing' water, Initiate.

Maybe there's another thought here about what we mean by 'free'. I mean in Biodynamic farming, this principle of free energy is obtained by getting 'free' water and sunshine and earth to grow crops, then feeding some of this to the animals, and some of their poo back to renourish the earth. matter is transformed through a circle, and a cycle.

For any energy source (coal, gas, water?) If we can only go from step one to step two, and not to step 3 and back to step one, it's not really free, is it?

I feel the same way about battery technology. Great to have wind, great to have sun, but if it's charging batteries that cannot be re-used - hmmm.